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Lifer
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Does this mean anything to you?


Do you think this is some deep state conspiracy? Do you realize your decision effects others? If you want to take up base jumping that is your right. The good news is your base jumping has ZERO effect on me. However if you "choose" not to wear a mask you could infect others and kill them. I guess u cool wit dat

It means freedumb to him. That's it. Check out this wedding in North Maine.




Personal responsibility ends when it's proven it's not just you that is impacted. This is responsibility to your fellow Americans.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Because they are really dumb.

I know you want me to say it is because of Trump, but that would also be stupid. :p

I guess you don't understand how personality cults work.

some pieces of factual evidence that are easy to investigate:

--Trump spends about 2 months yelling about the evils of masks. They are for pussies. They are unpatriotic
--In lock-step, deplorables agree, antagonize responsible adults in public, start fights with people ostensibly trying to protect them from their own plain stupidity.
--Covid finally starts devastating conservative hillbilly parts of the country--Trump his hog-tied by his handlers to start wearing masks. He puts one on for a photo-op.
--Deplorables start mentioning how strong he looks. How manly, how patriotic. ...a guy that was hiding in a bunker only 2 weeks before that, suddenly looks patriotic for doing the thing that they then-believed to be unpatriotic, pussy shit.
--Trump starts bitching about masks again.
--deplorables continue the anti-mask violence.

Yes, these are facts. These are happening in observable reality in this dimension that you and I and everyone else posting here, watching the news, are living in. They are unassailable truths. Humanity has understood how personality cults work for generations, and really, they went bonkers in the 20th century with the rise of fascism and communism, with the very same type of people seeking to control power through them. Trump is, undeniably, the very type of narcissistic, morally bankrupt, power-seeking despotic personality that, unmistakably, has spent their lives attacking the fragile social structures that we depend on and generally work pretty hard to maintain, only to exploit those systems and pervert them for their own gain. That is explicitly what the Trump family is, and it has never been any other way with them. The GOP has enabled it, because they ostensibly seek the same hegemonic power over this country, such that neither you nor I will ever be able to question authority--it is plainly observable and unmistakable through the crass militarization of the LEOs around us, and the daily messaging that the only authority you need trust is the feds, your officials, and whatever they choose to tell you is the truth on that day (literally, the words right out of Trump's mouth--questioning that pure fact is to be utterly ignorant, terrified, bed-wetting quisling that is just as much of a threat to this country as the shitholes trying to steal it).

These aren't opinions--these are plainly observable consequences of the very same type of human behavior that we've lived through for generations--these are the lessons that you were supposed to learn after the order-devastating wars of the 20th century, how truly fragile what you assume is "eternal" can be wrecked, when all it takes is a handful of assholes, and an army of terrified simpletons willing to do what they want done for the promise of "undisclosed better things."

That is the unmistakable history of humanity, when evil people seek to do harm against everyone, and all they need is enough willing bedwetters to do what they command.

Yes, you are part of the problem. These are plain facts. I get that is' difficult to accept your collaboration in all of this, as stupidly as it may have been won, but you are sitting right there, accepting it. Apathy towards plain evil is just the same evil as those perpetrating it against you.

Greenman explained earlier that Democracy is hard; despotism is easy. No truer words spoken to describe the current reality we live in. ...the only issue, here, of course, is the warped perspective within which the despots and quislings believe themselves to be.

Unmistakably, history will not judge you and those like you kindly. A future version of yourself would have absolutely hated this current version of yourself, to lazily, stupidly sit by and pretend you weren't part of the plain problem.
 
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zinfamous

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Who is culpable for Europeans not wearing a mask and protesting? Is that Trump also?

The Europeans that don't wear masks are marching around with Trump flags. Shouting Trump chants. They are rightwing Euro fascists--they are fucking LITERALLY shouting Trump chants you fucking idiot.

So yes, it is Trump's fault. How do you not understand this?
 
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Paratus

Lifer
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I haven't tried to justify anything. People such as you always wants to blame someone else for our ills and shortcomings. What Trump says or Fauci says has nothing much to do with my choice to wear a mask. It is the intelligent thing to do irregardless of what the talking heads choose to tell you. I was wearing a mask when Fauci and the WHO was telling everyone they didn't need to wear one.

Did you or did you wait to be told by the talking heads?

In the end we are all responsible for our own actions. Some or even a great many of these people will end up regretting their decision to not wear a mask.

So is Trump included in that “we”? If he is that means he would be responsible for his actions too and you’ve spent most of thread trying to convince folks that Trump isn’t responsible. So which is it?
 

pcgeek11

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Does this mean anything to you?


Do you think this is some deep state conspiracy? Do you realize your decision effects others? If you want to take up base jumping that is your right. The good news is your base jumping has ZERO effect on me. However if you "choose" not to wear a mask you could infect others and kill them. I guess u cool wit dat

No I've never said it was a "deep state conspiracy". That is retarded.
Yes, Most of our decisions effect others in some way. I could base jump and fall on you and kill you. It could also effect others. If I were base jumping and died that would effect my family. So you are wrong.

No, I'm not cool with it. You trying to change this into I agree with them not wearing a mask? It certainly seems like it. I only stated that they are stupid for not wearing a mask. They own that choice individually, no one else is to blame. Not Trump or me or their relatives. I can't make them wear a mask as it is not illegal to not wear a mask. Until they make it an enforcible offense there isn't much you can do now is there?

What do you suggest they do with the non maskers legally?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Hey! You know what?

I don't give a damn what you want to call it with your pseudo sociology / psychology or whatever pseudo babble you are trying to convey.

what are your credentials for qualifying what is pseudo sociology/psychology?

oh I KNOW! You think it is all nonsense babble because reading was never fundamental for you. Critical thinking--fight out! The "strange sciences" were just too complex for your lizard brain.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Hey! You know what?

I don't give a damn what you want to call it with your pseudo sociology / psychology or whatever pseudo babble you are trying to convey.

You cant use the study of one person to predict what a large set of people is gonna do. That is why sociology is its own study. Its not pseudo dude. Its a weapon.
I dont know what to tell you man. Its not an abdication of personal responsibility if that is what it reads to you, quite the opposite.
In order to take responsibility for myself I need to understand what kind of animal I am.
In order to take responsibility for our collective I need to understand what kind of hive we are.
Come voting time I have never voted with my wallet I have always voted by principle and ideology. My political line of thinking hurts my bottom line, thats only possible if I make an effort at understanding the collective.
 

pcgeek11

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So is Trump included in that “we”? If he is that means he would be responsible for his actions too and you’ve spent most of thread trying to convince folks that Trump isn’t responsible. So which is it?


As I said We are all responsible for our own actions.

Trump is responsible for his own actions, not other peoples choices / actions.

It would be an entirely different kettle of fish is he somehow prohibited or prevented people from wearing a mask.

 

cytg111

Lifer
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As I said We are all responsible for our own actions.

Trump is responsible for his own actions, not other peoples choices / actions.

It would be an entirely different kettle of fish is he somehow prohibited or prevented people from wearing a mask.
Is that how you raised your kids? Do as I say, dont do as I do?
 

pcgeek11

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what are your credentials for qualifying what is pseudo sociology/psychology?

oh I KNOW! You think it is all nonsense babble because reading was never fundamental for you. Critical thinking--fight out! The "strange sciences" were just too complex for your lizard brain.

Yes, that's it. :rolleyes:
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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You cant use the study of one person to predict what a large set of people is gonna do. That is why sociology is its own study. Its not pseudo dude. Its a weapon.
I dont know what to tell you man. Its not an abdication of personal responsibility if that is what it reads to you, quite the opposite.
In order to take responsibility for myself I need to understand what kind of animal I am.
In order to take responsibility for our collective I need to understand what kind of hive we are.
Come voting time I have never voted with my wallet I have always voted by principle and ideology. My political line of thinking hurts my bottom line, thats only possible if I make an effort at understanding the collective.


:rolleyes:
 

Jhhnn

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That is exactly correct. They are making the decision on their own to not wear a mask...

And Trump made the decision to draw them together into throngs of thousands so he could bask in their adulation, time after time. They trust him & follow his leadership. It's unconscionably depraved.
 

Paratus

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As I said We are all responsible for our own actions.

Trump is responsible for his own actions, not other peoples choices / actions.

It would be an entirely different kettle of fish is he somehow prohibited or prevented people from wearing a mask.
What is the job he currently holds, what are his duties, and who does he report to?
 

cytg111

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And Trump made the decision to draw them together into throngs of thousands so he could bask in their adulation, time after time. They trust him & follow his leadership. It's unconscionably depraved.
And thus if they die they die, its their own fault (extending geeks line of reasoning here).
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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And thus if they die they die, its their own fault (extending geeks line of reasoning here).


Yes. If I choose to gather in a massive crowd with no protection and I get Covid and die it is ultimately my fault.

Who's fault was it when Herman Cain died from the virus? Trump or Herman? Pick one.

The same way if I choose to base jump off a mountain and have an accident and splatter myself all over a rock at the bottom it would be my own fault.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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No I've never said it was a "deep state conspiracy". That is retarded.
Yes, Most of our decisions effect others in some way. I could base jump and fall on you and kill you. It could also effect others. If I were base jumping and died that would effect my family. So you are wrong.

No, I'm not cool with it. You trying to change this into I agree with them not wearing a mask? It certainly seems like it. I only stated that they are stupid for not wearing a mask. They own that choice individually, no one else is to blame. Not Trump or me or their relatives. I can't make them wear a mask as it is not illegal to not wear a mask. Until they make it an enforcible offense there isn't much you can do now is there?

What do you suggest they do with the non maskers legally?
Don't we fine people for not wearing seat belts? Blue states are already willing to mandate. Trump loves strong arming other governors. Imagine if he put that to good use. The best way to handle this issue from the start would have been a public PR campaign. That would require leadership from the top.

To date we have over 201,000 people dead in the US from COVID. Are they all Trump's fault? No. Does Trump bear responsibility for any of the deaths? Yes. In fact models have been done on the effects of early mask wearing. We would be around 40-50K. Not great but well in line with other advanced countries. Meanwhile we are relegated to the likes of Brazil. IMO Trump is directly responsible for at least half of the total deaths. Not just for masks but his lack of response in general. The post office was prepared to send masks to EVERY citizen in the country. The White House stopped it. Was that another "nobody's responsible"?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Yes. If I choose to gather in a massive crowd with no protection and I get Covid and die it is ultimately my fault.

Who's fault was it when Herman Cain died from the virus? Trump or Herman? Pick one.

The same way if I choose to base jump off a mountain and have an accident and splatter myself all over a rock at the bottom it would be my own fault.
What if someone in your house bumps into a non-mask wearing Trumper in public and that person transmits the disease. Who's fault is that?

The answer to your examples is yes it is those people fault. However since the country is not in the position to isolate themselves completely from others their actions effect others. The odds are so infinitesimal you hit me base jumping and kill both of us I'm confident in advising you "feel free to jump off a cliff" ;)

Is it your contention Trump bears zero responsibility for the COVID spread in this country?
 
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cytg111

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Yes. If I choose to gather in a massive crowd with no protection and I get Covid and die it is ultimately my fault.

Who's fault was it when Herman Cain died from the virus? Trump or Herman? Pick one.

The same way if I choose to base jump off a mountain and have an accident and splatter myself all over a rock at the bottom it would be my own fault.

Jonestown.
Did Jim Jones carry any of that beyond his own life?
 

quikah

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Yes. If I choose to gather in a massive crowd with no protection and I get Covid and die it is ultimately my fault.

Who's fault was it when Herman Cain died from the virus? Trump or Herman? Pick one.

The same way if I choose to base jump off a mountain and have an accident and splatter myself all over a rock at the bottom it would be my own fault.

Cotton masks generally do a poor job of preventing contracting the virus, but do a very good job of preventing spread. Cain presumably contracted because someone else was not wearing a mask, so if those are my only 2 choices I would put more blame on the organizer for not mandating masks.
 

Muse

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This isn't news in the sense that it is new, it's from May, evidently, so I won't start a new thread, although it deserves it. I do a weekly radio show on college radio and my show yesterday started with John Prine's "Caravan of Fools," off his last album, The Tree of Forgiveness. I had the idea that he was talking about Trump's death cult. Now, I got to thinking. He's got that rubbed in the dirt ethos of Appalachia, so I wasn't sure and wondered if I got it wrong. He doesn't say anything specific to politics, much less Trump in that song and I figured, heck, for all I know he was a Trump supporter. So I just looked it up and it's plain that Johnny was a leftist. And check this:

 

dank69

Lifer
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Yes. If I choose to gather in a massive crowd with no protection and I get Covid and die it is ultimately my fault.

Who's fault was it when Herman Cain died from the virus? Trump or Herman? Pick one.

The same way if I choose to base jump off a mountain and have an accident and splatter myself all over a rock at the bottom it would be my own fault.
You do a LOT of this false dilemma shit. Just saying. There are a few examples of it in this thread alone.
 
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