Many Missouri HS students walk out to protest transgender using wrong bathroom

[fskimospy]

Yes, as long as people want to kill other people the brainwaves and actions match. And before you claim that transgenderism is a victimless crime just stop. You are forcing this insane notion on kids and fucking their brains up with a belief they can be something they aren't.

There is no scientific proof that "brainwaves" match. There is psychologist and sociologist bullshit.

Can you quantify this 'harm' to kids in any way, shape, or form?

Because that sounds an awful lot like something you just pulled out of your ass.

 

[LegendKiller]

Can you quantify this 'harm' to kids in any way, shape, or form?

Because that sounds an awful lot like something you just pulled out of your ass.

The notion that this is "normal" and should be accepted and, in fact, celebrated. What do kids crave? Attention and a group to identify with. They see shit-for-brains like you doing this shit and they flock to it.

Social psychologists are wrong.

 

[fskimospy]

The notion that this is "normal" and should be accepted and, in fact, celebrated. What do kids crave? Attention and a group to identify with. They see shit-for-brains like you doing this shit and they flock to it.

Social psychologists are wrong.

Still not seeing where the 'harm' is that I asked you about. Again, identified, specific, quantifiable harm.

What it sounds like is that you don't like it and have decided that acceptance and accommodation of it is harmful without any shred of evidence to back it up. Speaking of shit for brains, that's something a true shit for brains would do, no?

 

[Atreus21]

Still not seeing where the 'harm' is that I asked you about. Again, identified, specific, quantifiable harm.

What it sounds like is that you don't like it and have decided that acceptance and accommodation of it is harmful without any shred of evidence to back it up. Speaking of shit for brains, that's something a true shit for brains would do, no?

Should men be allowed into women's restrooms?

 

[LegendKiller]

Still not seeing where the 'harm' is that I asked you about. Again, identified, specific, quantifiable harm.

What it sounds like is that you don't like it and have decided that acceptance and accommodation of it is harmful without any shred of evidence to back it up. Speaking of shit for brains, that's something a true shit for brains would do, no?

And you have provided no evidence that this phenomenon is nothing more than a mental disorder. The "reversion" fully supports my side. This is nothing but a liberal crusade to force a idiotic notion into our children's brains and further emasculate boys, logic, and socially pressure people into conforming at all costs.

That you libtards ignore real data and, instead, rely on soft science bullshit sociologists and social psychologists, who do not have a great track record of actual statistically significant research, to reinforce your foolish social experiments.

Even the term "cisgender" is a fabricated term in order to legitimize a small, mentally ill, population.

And you guys gleefully fuck up families to please your retarded social agenda. After all, who dares doubt the wisdom of your "enlightened" (but reality ignoring) position when you'll just publicly destroy that if they don't conform to your idiocy. You'll post their lives on facebook, or spread their non-conformity in public, shaming them and threatening their livelihood, all for a fantasy of "brain waves"


Then, when faced with the inevitable question of what you would do with people who want to sew wings on and identify as birds, white people with blackface as blacks, or any other stupidity, you turn the other way, not realizing your utter foolishness and slippery slope stupidity of mind control.

 

[fskimospy]

And you have provided no evidence that this phenomenon is nothing more than a mental disorder. The "reversion" fully supports my side. This is nothing but a liberal crusade to force a idiotic notion into our children's brains and further emasculate boys, logic, and socially pressure people into conforming at all costs.

That you libtards ignore real data and, instead, rely on soft science bullshit sociologists and social psychologists, who do not have a great track record of actual statistically significant research, to reinforce your foolish social experiments.

Even the term "cisgender" is a fabricated term in order to legitimize a small, mentally ill, population.

And you guys gleefully fuck up families to please your retarded social agenda. After all, who dares doubt the wisdom of your "enlightened" (but reality ignoring) position when you'll just publicly destroy that if they don't conform to your idiocy. You'll post their lives on facebook, or spread their non-conformity in public, shaming them and threatening their livelihood, all for a fantasy of "brain waves"

Then, when faced with the inevitable question of what you would do with people who want to sew wings on and identify as birds, white people with blackface as blacks, or any other stupidity, you turn the other way, not realizing your utter foolishness and slippery slope stupidity of mind control.

This is a really long way of saying "I have no evidence to support my position".

It's ok if you want to hold that position despite having no evidence, but it IS the sort of thing a shit for brains would do.

 

[fskimospy]

Should men be allowed into women's restrooms?

I personally find gendered restrooms stupid, so yes.

Of course the real benefit is that women should be allowed into men's restrooms. How many times do you go somewhere where the women's line is 30 people long and the men's line is 0? Talk about a poor use of resources.

 

[Exophase]

Of course the real benefit is that women should be allowed into men's restrooms. How many times do you go somewhere where the women's line is 30 people long and the men's line is 0? Talk about a poor use of resources.

Yeah, then women would be inclined to waste twice as much time in the restroom to make up for it and now there'd be lines 30 people long for both

 

[LegendKiller]

This is a really long way of saying "I have no evidence to support my position".

It's ok if you want to hold that position despite having no evidence, but it IS the sort of thing a shit for brains would do.

You mean you have no evidence to support your position. I have world renowned psychiatrists and a whole fucking hospital system (Johns Hopkins) to back me up. You have angry feminist sociologists whose studies are more often wrong than right.

 

[fskimospy]

You mean you have no evidence to support your position. I have world renowned psychiatrists and a whole fucking hospital system (Johns Hopkins) to back me up. You have angry feminist sociologists whose studies are more often wrong than right.

My position is the null hypothesis; by definition it requires no evidentiary support.

You made a specific claim that you can't back up.

Such is life.

 

[LegendKiller]

My position is the null hypothesis; by definition it requires no evidentiary support.

You made a specific claim that you can't back up.

Such is life.

No, your position us the controlled variable, you want to have people perform a social experiment that you have no biological, or statistical, evidence to support.

 

[fskimospy]

No, your position us the controlled variable, you want to have people perform a social experiment that you have no biological, or statistical, evidence to support.

I don't know what else to say other than "uhmm, no it isn't".

You said this:

And before you claim that transgenderism is a victimless crime just stop. You are forcing this insane notion on kids and fucking their brains up with a belief they can be something they aren't.

Back it up with evidence at your leisure.

 

[LegendKiller]

I don't know what else to say other than "uhmm, no it isn't".

You said this:



Back it up with evidence at your leisure.

Back up that there is anything but a mental illness.

 

[fskimospy]

Back up that there is anything but a mental illness.

Again, my position is the null hypothesis. You're trying to shift the burden of proof.

 

[LegendKiller]

Again, my position is the null hypothesis. You're trying to shift the burden of proof.

No, you are engaging in a social experiment. The null hypothesis is that people are fucked in the head. Not that they can be birds, walruses, or fucking rhinos.

The null hypothesis is that it is a mental illness. That is borne out by the fact that 80% either "revert" or kill themselves after your fucking social experiment fails. The null hypothesis is not that we should pump them full of hormones, cut a dick off, and call it a woman.

You and your kind revert to this "burden of proof" fuckery. The burden of proof lies with the jackass disagreeing with numerical *fact* . Instead, fucking retards like you double the fuck down, like you are going to win.

Stop being a fucking pussy and show *DATA* that contravines the fact that you guys are pushing 80% of these people into a confused state and/ or suicide.

 

[fskimospy]

No, you are engaging in a social experiment. The null hypothesis is that people are fucked in the head. Not that they can be birds, walruses, or fucking rhinos.

You're not using those terms correctly.

You made a claim that being transgender 'is not a victimless crime'. Support it with evidence.

The null hypothesis is that it is a mental illness. That is borne out by the fact that 80% either "revert" or kill themselves after your fucking social experiment fails. The null hypothesis is not that we should pump them full of hormones, cut a dick off, and call it a woman.

This is in no way evidence that accepting or accommodating transgender individuals causes harm. For you to do that you would have to show that accepting or accommodating transgender individuals CAUSED them to harm themselves (or caused harm to others). Hell, forget causation, I'll take a correlation between activities to accept or accommodate transgender individuals and some harm.

Why am I having to do the work of telling you how to go about proving your own position?

 

[fskimospy]

Stop being a fucking pussy and show *DATA* that contravines the fact that you guys are pushing 80% of these people into a confused state and/ or suicide.

Show me this data.

I bet you that's not even remotely close to what it says.

You know as well as I do that you made a dumb statement you can't back up. Just own that and move on.

 

[LegendKiller]

Show me this data.

I bet you that's not even remotely close to what it says.

You know as well as I do that you made a dumb statement you can't back up. Just own that and move on.

Fuck you, douchecanoe.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mic...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

 

[Murloc]

Transgender women are even fewer and probably in general at least as discrete. They're also more likely to be exclusively sexually attracted to males than cisgender men are.

You cannot be discrete about it if you have a cock.

Gay men are not allowed in the girls' locker room despite not being sexually attracted to them.

Yes, as long as people want to kill other people the brainwaves and actions match. And before you claim that transgenderism is a victimless crime just stop. You are forcing this insane notion on kids and fucking their brains up with a belief they can be something they aren't.

There is no scientific proof that "brainwaves" match. There is psychologist and sociologist bullshit.

I'm not a scientist and it's also a cultural issue. This stuff has been accepted for centuries in Asia and still is, even in Muslim countries.

Nobody is forcing the notion on kids, kids are not going to become transsexuals just because they see someone who is.

I agree that transsexualism is a mental disorder, because many of these people aren't happy, and that reassignment surgery isn't always the best idea.
Best would be accepting the presence of less cis-gendered people so that the pressure to go to such extreme lengths is reduced, and only those who really feel it will go through with it. The cnsnews article you cite cites extreme cases with consuelors encouraging non-fully mature individuals to be transsexuals and that's wrong imho, but it also says that reassignment surgery changes nothing at worst anyway.

 

[Atreus21]

I personally find gendered restrooms stupid, so yes.

Of course the real benefit is that women should be allowed into men's restrooms. How many times do you go somewhere where the women's line is 30 people long and the men's line is 0? Talk about a poor use of resources.

Well I suppose that's at least consistent.

I doubt very much that many women would like this idea though. Men probably wouldn't care.

 

[mikeymikec]

Back up that there is anything but a mental illness.

In psychology, there isn't a "normal" mental makeup. What tends to become categorised as an illness or disorder is when a person is having difficulty/conflict with their self-perception or their perception of the world around them.

If someone is living a reasonably contented life even though they like to dress up as a different flower for each day of the week, it's pretty unlikely that they will be diagnosed as having a mental disorder.

To take an opposite scenario, I would bet that if every person here who considers themselves to be normal and reasonably well-adjusted was to visit a psychologist, that professional could identify a number of traits that are typically associated with mental disorders and could cause problems if those traits became stronger / more prevalent in that person's thoughts and actions. Mental health professionals have to go through a lot of training, examining their own mental foibles and biases so as to ensure that their own personalities aren't colouring their ability to accurately diagnose and analyse others.

Saying that transpeople all suffer from mental disorders is about as helpful as the multitude of people who have claimed that homosexuality is a mental disorder (it was professionally considered to be that and in recent decades not to be due to an increased understanding of sexuality). Homosexuality was often considered to be a mental disorder because of the environmental factors surrounding it: Gender perception, religious dogma, lack of understanding of sexual diseases, gay people being violently targeted or regarded as outcasts resulting in behaviour that will almost invariably be the mark of mental illness, e.g. attempted suicide. Many trans people will have had similar problems within society and/or will have had difficulty with their gender perception which may be resolved purely through therapy, and some may be more comfortable with their identity and self-perception after gender reassignment surgery.

Sexuality comes in infinite variations. Various representations of homosexuality provide obvious indicators about how some people perceive themselves that definitely blur the lines of gender demonstration. An unrelated example is how some guys like to wear womens' underwear and don't take it any further than that.

So I find your idea amusing that while there's infinite variation in sexuality and how people express themselves, there's a black line on each side of anything that could be labelled as transgender-related and marked as BAD.

But considering your ignorance yet willingness to demonstrate your shortcomings in basic female biology, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your absolutely firm belief that you're correct on this topic.

 

[fskimospy]

Fuck you, douchecanoe.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mic...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

Just as I guessed, your link does absolutely zero to show that accepting or accommodating transgendered people causes suicide or other harms. It is pretty funny that you linked to a commentary piece from an ultra right wing website though, as your "data".

I strongly suggest actually reading your own arguments and the things you're claiming support them.

 

[fskimospy]

Well I suppose that's at least consistent.

I doubt very much that many women would like this idea though. Men probably wouldn't care.

I'm sure some women wouldn't like it, but that's true for most anything. Plenty of the women I know here just go and use the men's bathroom anyway already. Waiting in long lines is for suckers.

 

[LegendKiller]

Just as I guessed, your link does absolutely zero to show that accepting or accommodating transgendered people causes suicide or other harms. It is pretty funny that you linked to a commentary piece from an ultra right wing website though, as your "data".

I strongly suggest actually reading your own arguments and the things you're claiming support them.

Just as I guessed, rather than address the data, you dodged yet again. You have no interest in debating the merits of your social experiment. Instead of accepting what a world renowned psychiatrist said, eh published his piece for global distribution, who works for Johns Hopkins which halted surgeries for ethical reasons, you merely play the logical fallacy of "attack the messenger" because it is convenient and diagrams with your insane social experiments.

You aren't interested in a researched debate among equals, you just want to cry bigotry and run away like a little bitch. Just like you do with your silly rate call. Reframe, ignore externalities, ignore data.

You're a pathetic piece of shit.

 

[LegendKiller]

In psychology, there isn't a "normal" mental makeup. What tends to become categorised as an illness or disorder is when a person is having difficulty/conflict with their self-perception or their perception of the world around them.

If someone is living a reasonably contented life even though they like to dress up as a different flower for each day of the week, it's pretty unlikely that they will be diagnosed as having a mental disorder.

To take an opposite scenario, I would bet that if every person here who considers themselves to be normal and reasonably well-adjusted was to visit a psychologist, that professional could identify a number of traits that are typically associated with mental disorders and could cause problems if those traits became stronger / more prevalent in that person's thoughts and actions. Mental health professionals have to go through a lot of training, examining their own mental foibles and biases so as to ensure that their own personalities aren't colouring their ability to accurately diagnose and analyse others.

Saying that transpeople all suffer from mental disorders is about as helpful as the multitude of people who have claimed that homosexuality is a mental disorder (it was professionally considered to be that and in recent decades not to be due to an increased understanding of sexuality). Homosexuality was often considered to be a mental disorder because of the environmental factors surrounding it: Gender perception, religious dogma, lack of understanding of sexual diseases, gay people being violently targeted or regarded as outcasts resulting in behaviour that will almost invariably be the mark of mental illness, e.g. attempted suicide. Many trans people will have had similar problems within society and/or will have had difficulty with their gender perception which may be resolved purely through therapy, and some may be more comfortable with their identity and self-perception after gender reassignment surgery.

Sexuality comes in infinite variations. Various representations of homosexuality provide obvious indicators about how some people perceive themselves that definitely blur the lines of gender demonstration. An unrelated example is how some guys like to wear womens' underwear and don't take it any further than that.

So I find your idea amusing that while there's infinite variation in sexuality and how people express themselves, there's a black line on each side of anything that could be labelled as transgender-related and marked as BAD.

But considering your ignorance yet willingness to demonstrate your shortcomings in basic female biology, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your absolutely firm belief that you're correct on this topic.

So pretty much because a biological response (boners for guys) was once dismissed as a mental issue, and now isn't, thus so must this? Great post hoc fallacy.

Yeah buddy, I know what goes into making a woman far more than you do if you think cutting a dick off and shoving pills down your throat makes you a woman.

That's as logical as saying wearing a beak, cutting your arms off and sewing on wings and eating worms makes you a bird.

You still can't fucking fly.

In psychology, there isn't a "normal" mental makeup. What tends to become categorised as an illness or disorder is when a person is having difficulty/conflict with their self-perception or their perception of the world around them.

If someone is living a reasonably contented life even though they like to dress up as a different flower for each day of the week, it's pretty unlikely that they will be diagnosed as having a mental disorder.

To take an opposite scenario, I would bet that if every person here who considers themselves to be normal and reasonably well-adjusted was to visit a psychologist, that professional could identify a number of traits that are typically associated with mental disorders and could cause problems if those traits became stronger / more prevalent in that person's thoughts and actions. Mental health professionals have to go through a lot of training, examining their own mental foibles and biases so as to ensure that their own personalities aren't colouring their ability to accurately diagnose and analyse others.

Saying that transpeople all suffer from mental disorders is about as helpful as the multitude of people who have claimed that homosexuality is a mental disorder (it was professionally considered to be that and in recent decades not to be due to an increased understanding of sexuality). Homosexuality was often considered to be a mental disorder because of the environmental factors surrounding it: Gender perception, religious dogma, lack of understanding of sexual diseases, gay people being violently targeted or regarded as outcasts resulting in behaviour that will almost invariably be the mark of mental illness, e.g. attempted suicide. Many trans people will have had similar problems within society and/or will have had difficulty with their gender perception which may be resolved purely through therapy, and some may be more comfortable with their identity and self-perception after gender reassignment surgery.

Sexuality comes in infinite variations. Various representations of homosexuality provide obvious indicators about how some people perceive themselves that definitely blur the lines of gender demonstration. An unrelated example is how some guys like to wear womens' underwear and don't take it any further than that.

So I find your idea amusing that while there's infinite variation in sexuality and how people express themselves, there's a black line on each side of anything that could be labelled as transgender-related and marked as BAD.

But considering your ignorance yet willingness to demonstrate your shortcomings in basic female biology, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your absolutely firm belief that you're correct on this topic.