Many Missouri HS students walk out to protest transgender using wrong bathroom

[LegendKiller]

I still think that if you asked people in private and in public what would happen if an openly trans post-op "woman" asked you to "her" apartment for a one night stand (or relationship if you are into that) and you had no intention at that time to get married or have kids, who would go for that.

I strongly suspect that the polling in private would yield vastly different results than polling in public.

 

[etrigan420]

...someone need to get in touch with their feminine side.

 

[LegendKiller]

...someone need to get in touch with their feminine side.

I have no feminine side, I am a man. I have a dick. You can go be some beta male that has a wife that beats you if you want.

My wife has enough femininity. That's how it works.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm sure some women wouldn't like it, but that's true for most anything. Plenty of the women I know here just go and use the men's bathroom anyway already. Waiting in long lines is for suckers.

I've even seen this happen at football games a few times before.

Woman walks in, hits a stall because the womens rooms are so tied up, does here thing and walks out.

Not a man batted an eye.

Bit of a different thing though.

 

[MajinCry]

I have no feminine side, I am a man. I have a dick. You can go be some beta male that has a wife that beats you if you want.

My wife has enough femininity. That's how it works.

...Is this an indirect admission that you beat your wife?

 

[LegendKiller]

...Is this an indirect admission that you beat your wife?

Not I the slightesr, but I am not some pussified guy who is utter submissive to his wife.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Not I the slightesr, but I am not some pussified guy who is utter submissive to his wife.

No, you are a manly man indeed

 

[Zorba]

Should men be allowed into women's restrooms?

He says yes, but he won't let me shower with his girlfriend...

 

[Zorba]

I've even seen this happen at football games a few times before.

Woman walks in, hits a stall because the womens rooms are so tied up, does here thing and walks out.

Not a man batted an eye.

Bit of a different thing though.

Of course no guy cares. In reverse the cops would be called. Just like when I lived in the dorms, the first floor meeting we unanimously voted to allow girls in our bathrooms. Not a single girls floor allowed a guy in their bathrooms for any reason.

If women want to change next to me at the gym, hell yeah. But there is no way my wife would accept a man changing next to her at them gym. And from what my wife tells me, she is one of the less modest women in the locker room.

 

[mikeymikec]

So pretty much because a biological response (boners for guys) was once dismissed as a mental issue, and now isn't, thus so must this? Great post hoc fallacy.

Not really. I was trying to communicate that psychology / mental health is not a fully understood field of knowledge (more so than other avenues of knowledge considering the difficulties in subjecting it to standard scientific experimentation, and so it is much more subject to 'prevailing opinion' and logic), but I guess despite your complete lack of knowledge in the field, you think you know what there is to know about it and transgenderism.

It's also interesting that, at least in my experience, when someone's basic knowledge on a particular topic is asserted as being substandard even as far as mandatory education goes, they would tend to challenge that point, yet you didn't. I think you should think about why you're participating in this thread, because from my perspective you're here to proclaim what you think as loud and as much as you can rather than actually discuss anything.

I have no feminine side, I am a man. I have a dick. You can go be some beta male that has a wife that beats you if you want.

I think you ought to make your mind up. First of all you vociferously defend a binary gender perception, then you start talking about "alpha" and "beta" males.

So someone isn't manly enough if their wife has hit them at some point? Does the act of hitting them result in lost masculinity or is it more of a divining rod for masculinity?

 

[MongGrel]

Of course no guy cares. In reverse the cops would be called. Just like when I lived in the dorms, the first floor meeting we unanimously voted to allow girls in our bathrooms. Not a single girls floor allowed a guy in their bathrooms for any reason.

If women want to change next to me at the gym, hell yeah. But there is no way my wife would accept a man changing next to her at them gym. And from what my wife tells me, she is one of the less modest women in the locker room.

It's just how it has always been mindset wise.

Most of the guys in the bathroom at the football game were looking at each other kinda like hell yeah good for her.

And would not have thought about going into the womens bathroom, it's just one of those stadium things the way they have them set up.

 

[BxgJ]

It's just how it has always been mindset wise.

Most of the guys in the bathroom at the football game were looking at each other kinda like hell yeah good for her.

And would not have thought about going into the womens bathroom, it's just one of those stadium things the way they have them set up.

I've seen this too, in fact I've come to expect it when I see a long line for the women's restroom, and none for the men's.

 

[michal1980]

Of course no guy cares. In reverse the cops would be called. Just like when I lived in the dorms, the first floor meeting we unanimously voted to allow girls in our bathrooms. Not a single girls floor allowed a guy in their bathrooms for any reason.

If women want to change next to me at the gym, hell yeah. But there is no way my wife would accept a man changing next to her at them gym. And from what my wife tells me, she is one of the less modest women in the locker room.

I'm sure some guys cared. Just what guy wants to come out and say it? Especially in front of other guys, and the alpha males that will rip on him.

 

[LegendKiller]

Not really. I was trying to communicate that psychology / mental health is not a fully understood field of knowledge (more so than other avenues of knowledge considering the difficulties in subjecting it to standard scientific experimentation, and so it is much more subject to 'prevailing opinion' and logic), but I guess despite your complete lack of knowledge in the field, you think you know what there is to know about it and transgenderism.

It's also interesting that, at least in my experience, when someone's basic knowledge on a particular topic is asserted as being substandard even as far as mandatory education goes, they would tend to challenge that point, yet you didn't. I think you should think about why you're participating in this thread, because from my perspective you're here to proclaim what you think as loud and as much as you can rather than actually discuss anything.



I think you ought to make your mind up. First of all you vociferously defend a binary gender perception, then you start talking about "alpha" and "beta" males.

So someone isn't manly enough if their wife has hit them at some point? Does the act of hitting them result in lost masculinity or is it more of a divining rod for masculinity?

I know full well what psychology is, I have an undergrad in it. I also know that there is a difference in diagnosis of a mental illness and studying the diagnosed patients behavior after diagnosis. While the diagnosis may not be accurate, studying people afterwards can be. Furthermore, these aren't studies of variables with a hypothesis and control groups and such, these are hard numbers.

So for a world renowned hospital and psychology establishment to halt gender reassignment because they found it unethical is telling. That 70-80% revert and a huge number of the remaining either regret, attempt, or commit suicide shows that a very small portion of those initially diagnosed as transgender are actually not. This highlights thst this is not a biological issue, but a temporary mental one. Those are hard facts, but you guys ignore them because it is convenient.

Thus, to push people headlong into it is irresponsible.

I do enjoy your attempt to split hairs about the emasculation of males. It's the typical bullshit you often run into when Feminists and their lap dogs have to face biological facts.

I'm sure some guys cared. Just what guy wants to come out and say it? Especially in front of other guys, and the alpha males that will rip on him.

 

[waggy]

Of course no guy cares. In reverse the cops would be called. Just like when I lived in the dorms, the first floor meeting we unanimously voted to allow girls in our bathrooms. Not a single girls floor allowed a guy in their bathrooms for any reason.

If women want to change next to me at the gym, hell yeah. But there is no way my wife would accept a man changing next to her at them gym. And from what my wife tells me, she is one of the less modest women in the locker room.

lol

Yeah my dorm floor was the same. It wasn't uncommon to have a women showering next to you (they were "private"). lol one time I had a girl peak her head in and ask to borrow some shampoo. It didn't bother me in the slightest. I grew up with 4 sisters..lol

I've even seen this happen at football games a few times before.

Woman walks in, hits a stall because the womens rooms are so tied up, does here thing and walks out.

Not a man batted an eye.

Bit of a different thing though.

sure. Grown men rarely care. we just want to piss/shit and get back to the beer. oh and the game. Even then it wasn't a lot of women.

huge difference from pre-teen girls though. Who are going through puberty and having major drama issues.

 

[mikeymikec]

So for a world renowned hospital and psychology establishment to halt gender reassignment because they found it unethical is telling.

The article you quoted didn't say that. It said this, which is nowhere near the same thing:

“And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.

The rest is an opinion piece from the former psychiatrist-in-chief of the hopkins institute with no actual data, just a journalist's interpretation of what may be data, which we have no way of knowing its validity since we don't have access to the reports in question.

That 70-80% revert

How disingenuous is your argument! That you would actually attempt to use this to aid your argument is mind boggling! Here's the quote:

Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”

Children. The same kind of children who have idle fancies about being astronauts or just about anything else when they grow up. Would it be a safe bet that 70-80% of children who want to become astronauts when they grow up end up not bothering to pursue that goal any more?

Thus, to push people headlong into it is irresponsible.

Pushing people into it would be irresponsible, as would be convincing children to undergo surgery or take medication for something life-changing that they may later change their mind about, but I'm pretty sure this isn't what you're talking about.

I do enjoy your attempt to split hairs about the emasculation of males. It's the typical bullshit you often run into when Feminists and their lap dogs have to face biological facts.

Split hairs? I'd call it pointing out the holes in your swiss-cheese argument except there's more holes than cheese. It made absolutely no coherent sense with the rest of your opinion on this topic.

What I think is quite telling is how you resort to insults at very short notice rather than engage in discussion.

 

[LegendKiller]

The article you quoted didn't say that. It said this, which is nowhere near the same thing:

The rest is an opinion piece from the former psychiatrist-in-chief of the hopkins institute with no actual data, just a journalist's interpretation of what may be data, which we have no way of knowing its validity since we don't have access to the reports in question.

The same guy who published the same data in the WSJ recently, first hand data, not a "journalist interpretation".

How disingenuous is your argument! That you would actually attempt to use this to aid your argument is mind boggling! Here's the quote:



Children. The same kind of children who have idle fancies about being astronauts or just about anything else when they grow up. Would it be a safe bet that 70-80% of children who want to become astronauts when they grow up end up not bothering to pursue that goal any more?

Pushing people into it would be irresponsible, as would be convincing children to undergo surgery or take medication for something life-changing that they may later change their mind about, but I'm pretty sure this isn't what you're talking about.

It obviously goes beyond just children, since they stopped the surgeries altogether. Furthermore, this article is about a child, who will likely revert.

Split hairs? I'd call it pointing out the holes in your swiss-cheese argument except there's more holes than cheese. It made absolutely no coherent sense with the rest of your opinion on this topic.

What I think is quite telling is how you resort to insults at very short notice rather than engage in discussion.

No, you pointed out a few nigglings, the fact remains that the vast majority of children, adults, and ultimately post-ops end up either reverting, regretting, attempting to kill themselves, or kill themselves, all because this is a *MENTAL* issue.

Still no honest answer from anybody whether they think that social pressure is the main driving force behind this "acceptance" and whether people are really as accepting. Further, no answer form the resident "pro-trans" "its a woman!" people whether they would date and/or marry a trans woman (or man), since they should be 100% indifferent.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Dr Paul McHugh?

The same fellow that believes that homosexuality is a choice?

The same fellow who saw nothing wrong with making a 10 year old, pregnant by rape, be forced to carry to term?

Yep, he seems like someone we should all be listening to.

 

[werepossum]

I'm sure some women wouldn't like it, but that's true for most anything. Plenty of the women I know here just go and use the men's bathroom anyway already. Waiting in long lines is for suckers.

One suspects that most of the women you know have penises.

 

[bshole]

One suspects that most of the women you know have penises.

ROFLMFAO! Perhaps the best zinger of the month. Well done sir.

 

[bshole]

Pretty sure if you viewed naked pictures of your son, or of other people he received pictures from, and they were minors. You also committed a federal crime.

For this reason you should probably never look at a minors phone. Really minors in general should be grown up on a government farm and released when they reach the age of majority. Way too much risk dealing with them, even if they are your own kid.

No fucking way. If you accidentally see this shit through no fault of your own, it is not a crime. Additionally I put a stop to it and made him remove all offending images. Further more I asked him to communicate with all affected parties and relay the information.

I no longer check his phone because I don't want to know what the fuck he is doing. He is old enough to be responsible for his own actions. I do talk about condoms with him every week, I have no doubt he is sexually active. The kid has more girls hanging around him than you can shake a stick at.

 

[Cozarkian]

Children. The same kind of children who have idle fancies about being astronauts or just about anything else when they grow up. Would it be a safe bet that 70-80% of children who want to become astronauts when they grow up end up not bothering to pursue that goal any more?
.

The only way that is remotely relevant is if being an astronaut is an innate characteristic or if being transgender is a choice.

 

[Ackmed]

The same fellow that believes that homosexuality is a choice?

It is.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It is.

How old were you when you made your choice?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

How old were you when you made your choice?

No, no, you misunderstand. Everyone is heterosexual. Homosexuality is the choice. It's the line of thinking from people who are completely incapable of understanding that not everyone thinks the same way they do. "I don't like penis, therefore men can't like penis, therefore those that pretend to are choosing to do so for attention."