'Manspreading' is a crime in NYC

[dawheat]

"Two Latino men were allegedly arrested for manspreading, sitting with knees wide open, thus occupying two seats on May 22 at 12:11am"

I doubt it was very crowded.

Actually fewer trains run late at night so it's not that surprising that the train would be full. And tons of people still ride at midnight.

50/50 in my experience. If older woman/pregnant woman/handicapped then I almost always see someone giving their seat up. able bodied women get equal treatment though ^_^

I see this more like 25% of the time - part of it is when a train is crowded, most people sitting can't even tell there is a pregnant/elderly person standing. There's been a bunch of times it took me a couple stops to realize before offering my seat.

This is a pretty common list - but there are plenty of annoyances with the subway.

1. People who stand near the doors when a ton of people are trying to get on - making it a pushing fight for each person to get on
2. People who try to get into the train before people exit
3. BO on a crowded train
4. People who hug a pole
5. Manspreading
6. The occasional crazy person which stalls the train until the NYPD comes and pulls them off
7. And my favorite - the sick/druggie who has diarrhea on the train which stalls the train until the NYPD and a cleaning crew can show up.

 

[Ns1]

7. And my favorite - the sick/druggie who has diarrhea on the train which stalls the train until the NYPD and a cleaning crew can show up.

 

[davmat787]

No offense to New Yorkers, but I will die happy if I never see New York or for that matter east of the Mississippi. Don't know why exactly, but everything seems so close, crammed together and thus one huge hectic megalopolis back there.

I am too used to the wide open spaces and vistas of the west. No idea why I felt the need to share this either, other than to maybe piss off those types that think NY is the center of the universe.

 

[shabby]

 

[fskimospy]

No offense to New Yorkers, but I will die happy if I never see New York or for that matter east of the Mississippi. Don't know why exactly, but everything seems so close, crammed together and thus one huge hectic megalopolis back there.

I am too used to the wide open spaces and vistas of the west. No idea why I felt the need to share this either, other than to maybe piss off those types that think NY is the center of the universe.

It doesn't piss me off in the slightest, as there are more than enough people eager to take your place. It does seem sad for you though, as you've decided to miss out on one of the unique cities of the U.S. and one of the great cities of the world. I've lived in the west, the east coast, the Midwest, and Virginia. (Not quite the south, haha). While NYC is my favorite of them all, they all had at least one thing to like. You might be surprised.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Eating food on the subway: ANIMALS!! TOTAL ANIMALS!! THEY SHOULD BE SHOT!!!

Spreading your legs (because you think you have huge junk): MY RIGHTS!! MY RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED!!!!shift+1!!!!

 

[jhbball]

The feminist war against men marches on it seems. Nevermind that the photo in question is completely out of context because we don't know what the hell the rest of the car looks like but apparently that is enough to render these dudes guilty as charged.

lol, this guy.

 

[davmat787]

It doesn't piss me off in the slightest, as there are more than enough people eager to take your place. It does seem sad for you though, as you've decided to miss out on one of the unique cities of the U.S. and one of the great cities of the world. I've lived in the west, the east coast, the Midwest, and Virginia. (Not quite the south, haha). While NYC is my favorite of them all, they all had at least one thing to like. You might be surprised.

Lol, how did I know you would be the first to reply to and contest my comment regarding NYC and the Northeast?!?

I get all pheclempted and my anxiety goes up simply looking at the population density figures of the city and region in question. I have no doubt there are advantages to be had, for example unbelievable Korean food 24/7. The problem is the sheer amount of people would make enjoying whatever delights there are damn near impossible for me to enjoy anyway, making them null and void and thus non starters as it were.

Seattle is about as big as I need or want, and even then is enjoyed perhaps once a month. I can be in Seattle in 20 minutes, yet have seen bears (real bears, not them city bears in suburbs of NY/NJ) outside many times and can be in the mountains in an hour, salt water fishing in no time, Olympic rainforest in an hour (but you have to watch out for those damn Twilight goth tourists, always asking for directions to Forks), incredible wine country in two hours, desert that looks like Arizona minus Cacti in three hours, and more. Watching Orca pods while going to the San Juans for oysters specific to individual bays is always a treat, especially when you take Kenmore Air out of Lake Union in Seattle and fly floatplanes there. Vancouver BC and Portland are really close too, about 2.5 hour drives north and south respectively. I place a tremendous value on being 3 hours or less to so many types of ecosystems and types of landscapes.

If I was born and raised in the Northeast or NY I'm sure I'd feel differently, I fully admit I am conditioned tho way. Of course if I was born in the Northeast or NY I'd probably have one of those accents that makes one instantly come across as a grade A asshole, that would suck.

Has anyone ever commented on any NY accents or inflections on your part by chance? Most important is we each seem to love the areas we live in though reasons for doing so might be vastly different.

I'm no prepper, but does natural disasters or things like water shortages worry you at all when you consider how the population density will effect peoples reaction and handing of it? I seem to recall people going batshit crazy simply losing electrical overnight in NY, I couldn't imagine how the populace would handle a serious disaster. Could be my admittedly biased perception of the city and it's average citizen clouding my judgment too.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol, how did I know you would be the first to reply to and contest my comment regarding NYC and the Northeast?!?

I get all pheclempted and my anxiety goes up simply looking at the population density figures of the city and region in question. I have no doubt there are advantages to be had, for example unbelievable Korean food 24/7. The problem is the sheer amount of people would make enjoying whatever delights there are damn near impossible for me to enjoy anyway, making them null and void and thus non starters as it were.

Seattle is about as big as I need or want, and even then is enjoyed perhaps once a month. I can be in Seattle in 20 minutes, yet have seen bears (real bears, not them city bears in suburbs of NY/NJ) outside many times and can be in the mountains in an hour, salt water fishing in no time, Olympic rainforest in an hour (but you have to watch out for those damn Twilight goth tourists, always asking for directions to Forks), incredible wine country in two hours, desert that looks like Arizona minus Cacti in three hours, and more. Watching Orca pods while going to the San Juans for oysters specific to individual bays is always a treat, especially when you take Kenmore Air out of Lake Union in Seattle and fly floatplanes there. Vancouver BC and Portland are really close too, about 2.5 hour drives north and south respectively. I place a tremendous value on being 3 hours or less to so many types of ecosystems and types of landscapes.

If I was born and raised in the Northeast or NY I'm sure I'd feel differently, I fully admit I am conditioned tho way. Of course if I was born in the Northeast or NY I'd probably have one of those accents that makes one instantly come across as a grade A asshole, that would suck.

Seattle is a great city, I have a number of relatives near there on Mercer Island and I dated a girl from Olympia, which isn't too far away. When I lived in San Diego it was really nice to be able to go surfing and skiing on the same day if I wanted to, I agree. (although that would have been a long day, haha)

What I don't get is deciding you don't like a place you've never visited.

Has anyone ever commented on any NY accents or inflections on your part by chance? Most important is we each seem to love the areas we live in though reasons for doing so might be vastly different.

I'm not from NYC originally, so I don't have an NYC accent. I grew up outside of Philly, but my family is originally from Rhode Island so I didn't pick up a Philly accent either. Also, until about 5 years ago I spent my entire adult life split between Chicago, Virginia Beach, and (mostly) San Diego.

Anyways, your preferences are of course your preferences, but I found myself pleasantly surprised by places I never would have visited otherwise (Athens, Georgia for example). You might be missing out!

 

[fskimospy]

I'm no prepper, but does natural disasters or things like water shortages worry you at all when you consider how the population density will effect peoples reaction and handing of it? I seem to recall people going batshit crazy simply losing electrical overnight in NY, I couldn't imagine how the populace would handle a serious disaster. Could be my admittedly biased perception of the city and it's average citizen clouding my judgment too.

People didn't go batshit crazy losing electrical power overnight here, it's just that when things like that happen in NYC the news reports on it like it's a really big deal. Remember, just a few years ago Hurricane Sandy hit here, which crippled the infrastructure of much of lower Manhattan and decent portions of Brooklyn and Queens. (Staten Island was devastated, but nobody really noticed) People got by just fine.

So...well...the populace handled a serious disaster a few years ago. I guess it says something about how well the city weathered (har) it that people have forgotten.

 

[davmat787]

Seattle is a great city, I have a number of relatives near there on Mercer Island and I dated a girl from Olympia, which isn't too far away. When I lived in San Diego it was really nice to be able to go surfing and skiing on the same day if I wanted to, I agree. (although that would have been a long day, haha)

What I don't get is deciding you don't like a place you've never visited.



I'm not from NYC originally, so I don't have an NYC accent. I grew up outside of Philly, but my family is originally from Rhode Island so I didn't pick up a Philly accent either. Also, until about 5 years ago I spent my entire adult life split between Chicago, Virginia Beach, and (mostly) San Diego.

Anyways, your preferences are of course your preferences, but I found myself pleasantly surprised by places I never would have visited otherwise (Athens, Georgia for example). You might be missing out!

I fully admit that my declaring such a dislike of NY that I never want to go there even though I have never been there is a rather... Immaturely ill-conceived notion to hold, but it really applies to any city, megalopolis, or region with that kind of population density. I just say NYC rather than any city of such density because NYC'ers take it so personally and with such tremendous butt hurt that I can't help myself. Often they are simply bewildered that anyone would not make it their life goal to migrate to as close to NYC as possible, that one might actually not enjoy that level of humanity is an alien concept worthy of contempt and loathing.

That kind of contempt and loathing from NY'ers and NE'ers feeds my soul for some reason.

 

[fskimospy]

I fully admit that my declaring such a dislike of NY that I never want to go there even though I have never been there is a rather... Immaturely ill-conceived notion to hold, but it really applies to any city, megalopolis, or region with that kind of population density. I just say NYC rather than any city of such density because NYC'ers take it so personally and with such tremendous butt hurt that I can't help myself. Often they are simply bewildered that anyone would not make it their life goal to migrate to as close to NYC as possible, that one might actually not enjoy that level of humanity is an alien concept worthy of contempt and loathing.

That kind of contempt and loathing from NY'ers and NE'ers feeds my soul for some reason.

Well I can't speak for everyone of course, but I'm not hurt that you don't like NYC and I can't say I know anyone that is hurt or gets mad by other people not liking it either. I'll just suggest one last time that you might be surprised by it. Especially considering how diverse the city is. (Manhattan is of course Manhattan, but parts of Queens and Staten Island are downright suburban)

 

[davmat787]

Well I can't speak for everyone of course, but I'm not hurt that you don't like NYC and I can't say I know anyone that is hurt or gets mad by other people not liking it either. I'll just suggest one last time that you might be surprised by it. Especially considering how diverse the city is. (Manhattan is of course Manhattan, but parts of Queens and Staten Island are downright suburban)

The Museums in NYC I would probably enjoy no doubt, but my brother lives/works in Washington D.C. and the amount of museums and historical centers there is unbelievable and would take precedence should I venture east of the Mississippi.

 

[Genx87]

No offense to New Yorkers, but I will die happy if I never see New York or for that matter east of the Mississippi. Don't know why exactly, but everything seems so close, crammed together and thus one huge hectic megalopolis back there.

I am too used to the wide open spaces and vistas of the west. No idea why I felt the need to share this either, other than to maybe piss off those types that think NY is the center of the universe.

You are missing out. NYC is an amazing place to visit.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

You are missing out. NYC is an amazing place to visit.

Indeed. I wouldn't want to live there, but it's definitely worth seeing.

 

[davmat787]

You are missing out. NYC is an amazing place to visit.

I'm sure it is, and if 90% of the population goes on vacation out of town for a week I would probably visit. Otherwise the sheer amount of people and density of people would interfere with any enjoyment there is to be had.

Me, I don't think I can ever remember being at such peace and contentment than when I was somewhere on Mt. Si or Tiger Mountain or Mt. Rainier and can see 360 degrees or close there to, and the horizon is dozens of miles away with nothing but forest and other mountains or hills below me as far as the eye can see.

It's hard describe and not everyone's bag and certainly doesn't make me any better than anyone else, but it's such a stark contrast to a megalopolis. Whenever I look at the northeast I just can't get over how dense it is. And in reality I do know just how more dense much of the world is even compared to the northeast. We are so fortunate to have the amount of space here in the U.S. along with the diversity of climates and ecosystems.

Stephen Fry did a series for the BBC where he visited all 50 states and it was so interesting hearing his perspective coming from England. We take a lot of our natural landscapes for granted.

 

[glenn1]

The Museums in NYC I would probably enjoy no doubt, but my brother lives/works in Washington D.C. and the amount of museums and historical centers there is unbelievable and would take precedence should I venture east of the Mississippi.

If you dislike big crowds and density then DC isn't much better (at least during the day and around the major tourist spots). The city populations both basically double during the work day due to commuters. The stretch of I-95 north heading into the city from Northern VA is now the worst traffic in the country, beating out LA's I-405 and other usual suspects. The DC Metro red line is just as heinous as any in the NYC subway system, the Union Station and Metro center stops both have 30,000+ passenger boardings daily which would put it in the top 5-10% of NYC subway stations. The major monuments and museums are nigh-unwalkable at times due to the tourist and protesters.

 

[K1052]

Oddly I find NYC very relaxing compared to a lot of places. Obviously not standing on a corner in midtown during a workday but in a number of the neighborhoods, central park, along the river, and down near the battery it can be pretty quiet actually.

I usually stay below 14th street anymore and venture into Brooklyn unless there is something specific I want/need to do further uptown.

 

[davmat787]

If you dislike big crowds and density then DC isn't much better (at least during the day and around the major tourist spots). The city populations both basically double during the work day due to commuters. The stretch of I-95 north heading into the city from Northern VA is now the worst traffic in the country, beating out LA's I-405 and other usual suspects. The DC Metro red line is just as heinous as any in the NYC subway system, the Union Station and Metro center stops both have 30,000+ passenger boardings daily which would put it in the top 5-10% of NYC subway stations. The major monuments and museums are nigh-unwalkable at times due to the tourist and protesters.

Yeah, my bro has sent me video of his commute from the Pentagon west to Virginia and I shit my pants and promised to never bitch about traffic in my area again. It's insane and getting worse as the amount of government jobs and agencies in the area only grows.

Being from the Northwest shitty weather won't bother me so should I go to D.C. I could take advantage of bad weather seasons to hedge against the amount of tourists.

But I doubt it will ever come to that, my only motivation to venture east of the Mississippi would be to visit said bro and family in D.C. and anytime they have vacation where I could visit they get the hell out of D.C. anyway.

 

[dawheat]

No offense to New Yorkers, but I will die happy if I never see New York or for that matter east of the Mississippi. Don't know why exactly, but everything seems so close, crammed together and thus one huge hectic megalopolis back there.

I am too used to the wide open spaces and vistas of the west. No idea why I felt the need to share this either, other than to maybe piss off those types that think NY is the center of the universe.

I get your sentiment and probably what you didn't mean to say, but I always advise folks to spend some time living on the West coast as well as NYC at some point in their lives.

Part of it is the similar benefit to travelling internationally - it expands your horizons and breaks down a lot of the biases/preconceptions people have.

I totally get people not wanting to live in a big city, but NYC is an amazing place. Yes it can be loud, smelly, and crowded, but there are plenty of places in Manhattan that aren't crowded. Going to Times Square on a Saturday is hardly representative of what the city offers.

 

[feralkid]

I like the direction this is going; much more interesting than the psychotic men's rights ranting earlier.

 

[davmat787]

I get your sentiment and probably what you didn't mean to say, but I always advise folks to spend some time living on the West coast as well as NYC at some point in their lives.

Part of it is the similar benefit to travelling internationally - it expands your horizons and breaks down a lot of the biases/preconceptions people have.

I totally get people not wanting to live in a big city, but NYC is an amazing place. Yes it can be loud, smelly, and crowded, but there are plenty of places in Manhattan that aren't crowded. Going to Times Square on a Saturday is hardly representative of what the city offers.

What about level of contrived touristy stuff in NY? Nothing will sour me visiting somewhere new than the overly contrived and packaged. Isn't times square nothing but overly contrived and packaged sights, frequently seen on TV so visitors can say "we saw that" to their kin and neighbors upon return?

Maybe I assume too much, but what exactly is the draw or the big takeaway for times square?

 

[glenn1]

I like the direction this is going; much more interesting than the psychotic men's rights ranting earlier.

Why is it surprising that men would push back when you use a pejorative term like "manspreading" for something done commonly by both sexes? I find it hard to believe that the same folks that advocate changing to gender neutral terms (e.g. chairman to chairperson, etc.) just somehow unintentionally created a term from scratch that was male-specific this way. If I made up a new term like "womanbitching" I would be castigated and rightly so, likewise "manspreading" should be subject to rebuke.

 

[fskimospy]

Why is it surprising that men would push back when you use a pejorative term like "manspreading" for something done commonly by both sexes? I find it hard to believe that the same folks that advocate changing to gender neutral terms (e.g. chairman to chairperson, etc.) just somehow unintentionally created a term from scratch that was male-specific this way. If I made up a new term like "womanbitching" I would be castigated and rightly so, likewise "manspreading" should be subject to rebuke.

That's pretty hilarious considering the term "bitching" is itself a pejorative term that comes from comparing someone's behavior to that of a woman in an insulting way, yet I'm quite sure if someone complained about that you would be complaining about how the world is being overcome by political correctness and I'm quite certain you've never rebuked anyone for using the term, yet you're complaining about the opposite here. Hypocrite much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitch_(insult)#Other_forms

When used as a verb, to bitch means to complain. Usage in this context is almost always pejorative in intent. Allegedly, it was originally used to refer to the stereotypical wife's constant complaints about petty things, effectively tying in the etymology with the vulgar slang for an unpleasant woman.

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm sure it is, and if 90% of the population goes on vacation out of town for a week I would probably visit. Otherwise the sheer amount of people and density of people would interfere with any enjoyment there is to be had.

Me, I don't think I can ever remember being at such peace and contentment than when I was somewhere on Mt. Si or Tiger Mountain or Mt. Rainier and can see 360 degrees or close there to, and the horizon is dozens of miles away with nothing but forest and other mountains or hills below me as far as the eye can see.

It's hard describe and not everyone's bag and certainly doesn't make me any better than anyone else, but it's such a stark contrast to a megalopolis. Whenever I look at the northeast I just can't get over how dense it is. And in reality I do know just how more dense much of the world is even compared to the northeast. We are so fortunate to have the amount of space here in the U.S. along with the diversity of climates and ecosystems.

Stephen Fry did a series for the BBC where he visited all 50 states and it was so interesting hearing his perspective coming from England. We take a lot of our natural landscapes for granted.

It may seem strange, but if you go during a big 3-day weekend, like the 4th, the place will be empty. At least that was my experience when my parents took me to NYC for my 13th birthday. That was along time ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were still true.
I grew up in the east, but I live the life you are talking about on the west side of Puget Sound.