'Manspreading' is a crime in NYC

[master_shake_]

does it work both ways?

 

[realibrad]

I'm sorry but you guys don't know what you're talking about. This is not about people not sitting with their legs slightly open, this is about people stretching out across several seats. Did you guys really think people were being ticketed for having their legs slightly ajar? Give me a break.

Well, its very uncommon that many men would have the ability to spread their legs very wide. If you google manspreading and see what the typical person considers manspreading then I would say slightly. Slightly is a subjective term.

Here is an article from jezebel.com. Objectively Jezebel is a feminist site.

http://jezebel.com/at-least-two-subway-riders-have-been-arrested-for-man-s-1707543734

I don't consider the manspreading there to be excessive. I have seen douches that try and do the splits sitting down. Those people are dicks and I can see why people would be annoyed.

Also, its not like the MTA started asking people in general to be polite. If that were the case, then I think it would have been reasonable. But, that is not what happened. The MTA started with manspreading from the start, and only started broadening the campaign to other forms of rude acts, like putting bags on the seat next to you ect.

I dont live in NY, but I have used public transit many times. Its annoying when someone takes up a selfish amount of room. Having said that, men and women are built differently. Men will sit differently. Naturally, my legs spread about 2 feet apart when I sit. I'm 6' tall, so I'm not a tiny guy, but not huge either. Everyone should be considerate when in public spaces. Noise, smells, space should all be things polite people consider, but manspreading is very low on the public transport issues I have seen. And the pictures I have typically seen about man spreading tend to be over reactions.

I also dont think there is a war on men. I probably did not make that as clear as I could have. I tried to explain how if you think there is a war on me, then you have to say there is one on women. I would point out though that there are many things that people think are problems for women that data does not support, but thats a longer topic that you did not bring up.

 

[IronWing]

I am so overcome with rage I cant eveb ser the jetviaed,

 

[IronWing]

Them are skinny ass ankles.

 

[boomerang]

Why are you posting an article from the voice of Putin? I thought, if anything, you were the last type of commie sympathizer on these forums.

Or did you "look into his soul" as well?

:hmm:

I am capable of holding thoughts in my head from a bevy of sources that sometimes contradict each other. I can even come to conclusions based on those thoughts. They are never conclusions you agree with - which of course makes me wrong.

 

[IronWing]

They are never conclusions you agree with - which of course makes me wrong.

That is the very definition of being wrong.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, its very uncommon that many men would have the ability to spread their legs very wide. If you google manspreading and see what the typical person considers manspreading then I would say slightly. Slightly is a subjective term.

Here is an article from jezebel.com. Objectively Jezebel is a feminist site.

http://jezebel.com/at-least-two-subway-riders-have-been-arrested-for-man-s-1707543734

I ride the subway every day, and those pictures do not tell the story of how irritating it is. Additionally, I already said I don't think they should have been arrested.

I don't consider the manspreading there to be excessive. I have seen douches that try and do the splits sitting down. Those people are dicks and I can see why people would be annoyed.

Also, its not like the MTA started asking people in general to be polite. If that were the case, then I think it would have been reasonable. But, that is not what happened. The MTA started with manspreading from the start, and only started broadening the campaign to other forms of rude acts, like putting bags on the seat next to you ect.

That's actually very wrong. The MTA started with asking people to be polite in numerous campaigns stretching back years, if not decades. "Manspreading" has only recently been added to the existing campaigns.

If anything it's the opposite of what you said. They started with other rude acts and only recently broadened the campaign to other antisocial acts like this. Doesn't that seem reasonable?

I dont live in NY, but I have used public transit many times. Its annoying when someone takes up a selfish amount of room. Having said that, men and women are built differently. Men will sit differently. Naturally, my legs spread about 2 feet apart when I sit. I'm 6' tall, so I'm not a tiny guy, but not huge either. Everyone should be considerate when in public spaces. Noise, smells, space should all be things polite people consider, but manspreading is very low on the public transport issues I have seen. And the pictures I have typically seen about man spreading tend to be over reactions.

I also dont think there is a war on men. I probably did not make that as clear as I could have. I tried to explain how if you think there is a war on me, then you have to say there is one on women. I would point out though that there are many things that people think are problems for women that data does not support, but thats a longer topic that you did not bring up.

It's only one issue out of dozens the MTA brings up. They also have one that tells women not to do their makeup while on the train as it similarly takes up a lot of space and irritates other riders. Interesting that I didn't see the female centric one make it to ATPN.

 

[Victorian Gray]

This is something new?

1947

1953

1949

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/03/see-courtesy-campaign-ads-from-the-40s-and-50s.html

 

[Orignal Earl]

This is something new?

1947

The feminist war against men marches on it seems.

And on and on and on

 

[Victorian Gray]

And on and on and on

Way too much work to be concerned about things that might actually matter.

Like Tampa or Chicago...

 

[realibrad]

I ride the subway every day, and those pictures do not tell the story of how irritating it is. Additionally, I already said I don't think they should have been arrested.



That's actually very wrong. The MTA started with asking people to be polite in numerous campaigns stretching back years, if not decades. "Manspreading" has only recently been added to the existing campaigns.

If anything it's the opposite of what you said. They started with other rude acts and only recently broadened the campaign to other antisocial acts like this. Doesn't that seem reasonable?



It's only one issue out of dozens the MTA brings up. They also have one that tells women not to do their makeup while on the train as it similarly takes up a lot of space and irritates other riders. Interesting that I didn't see the female centric one make it to ATPN.

Because you ride the subway everyday, what is the biggest issue you see in terms of space? Knowing that you honest when asked a direct question, do you believe manspreading is a big enough issue to spend almost 80k on?

From my understanding, the original campaign that manspreading came from, was targeted at men. The collateral originally used was focused at men. I could be wrong, so if you know different let me know, but here is a news article that includes the original collateral from the campaign.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/more-mta-courtesy-campaign-ads.html

The MTA is rolling out its new transit campaign this month, so if you haven't seen the ads yet, you probably will soon. Called "Courtesy Counts, Manners Make a Better Ride," the campaign is the same one that just began shaming manspreaders and subway-eaters.

Originally, this campaign was targeted at men, but because people complained, they expanded it to include other acts that are rude. I found some of the newer ones funny, and had they targeted the bigger issues first, then I would not have called it an issue. But, the chose to target men first with the original set of collateral and that shows it was accepted by the MTA as being a big enough problem to spend time and money on over other rude rider issues.

I understand the MTA has done other campaigns for similar issues, but this campaign was targeted at men, and that is different from other campaigns so far as I see.

 

[brycejones]

This is something new?

1947

1953

1949

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/03/see-courtesy-campaign-ads-from-the-40s-and-50s.html

Its worse than ever imagined. The feminists have been plotting in secret for almost 70 years now to control men on the subway. In another 70 years they will be forcing men to have sex change operations just to ride the subway. #waronmen

 

[Brainonska511]

Because you ride the subway everyday, what is the biggest issue you see in terms of space? Knowing that you honest when asked a direct question, do you believe manspreading is a big enough issue to spend almost 80k on?

From my understanding, the original campaign that manspreading came from, was targeted at men. The collateral originally used was focused at men. I could be wrong, so if you know different let me know, but here is a news article that includes the original collateral from the campaign.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/more-mta-courtesy-campaign-ads.html

The MTA is rolling out its new transit campaign this month, so if you haven't seen the ads yet, you probably will soon. Called "Courtesy Counts, Manners Make a Better Ride," the campaign is the same one that just began shaming manspreaders and subway-eaters.

Originally, this campaign was targeted at men, but because people complained, they expanded it to include other acts that are rude. I found some of the newer ones funny, and had they targeted the bigger issues first, then I would not have called it an issue. But, the chose to target men first with the original set of collateral and that shows it was accepted by the MTA as being a big enough problem to spend time and money on over other rude rider issues.

I understand the MTA has done other campaigns for similar issues, but this campaign was targeted at men, and that is different from other campaigns so far as I see.

As far as I can tell, from my daily subway rides, it's targeted at jerks: people that spread their legs so much they take up 2+ seats (when 3 people can fit on one bench between subway poles), people that cut their nails, do their makeup, eat messy food, litter, use the subway poles as accessories in their circus dance routines, people with loud music, people wearing their backpacks on crowded trains instead of holding them, etc...

As far as cost - I'd bet the cost includes the cost of the entire campaign, which covers the gamut of behaviors I listed and amounts to mostly posters hung in subway cars and a few occasional computerized announcements. Nothing different than any other year where they've targeted rude subway behavior.

 

[fskimospy]

Because you ride the subway everyday, what is the biggest issue you see in terms of space? Knowing that you honest when asked a direct question, do you believe manspreading is a big enough issue to spend almost 80k on?

From my understanding, the original campaign that manspreading came from, was targeted at men. The collateral originally used was focused at men. I could be wrong, so if you know different let me know, but here is a news article that includes the original collateral from the campaign.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/more-mta-courtesy-campaign-ads.html

The MTA is rolling out its new transit campaign this month, so if you haven't seen the ads yet, you probably will soon. Called "Courtesy Counts, Manners Make a Better Ride," the campaign is the same one that just began shaming manspreaders and subway-eaters.

Originally, this campaign was targeted at men, but because people complained, they expanded it to include other acts that are rude. I found some of the newer ones funny, and had they targeted the bigger issues first, then I would not have called it an issue. But, the chose to target men first with the original set of collateral and that shows it was accepted by the MTA as being a big enough problem to spend time and money on over other rude rider issues.

I understand the MTA has done other campaigns for similar issues, but this campaign was targeted at men, and that is different from other campaigns so far as I see.

This is incorrect. Read the original link contained in your link:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/mta-is-not-messing-around-with-new-psas.html

A wide range of behaviors was always targeted including female centric behaviors as well as things like being a pole hog. It was simply not targeting men. In fact, it was based on public complaints.

Why are people so sensitive?

 

[glenn1]

 

[Victorian Gray]

Now that you've put roughly 87 "first world feminists" in their place, what's next on the agenda?

 

[brycejones]

Now that you've put roughly 87 "first world feminists" in their place, what's next on the agenda?

Come on there are like 91 of them. Although I am surprised they found the time to oppress men on the subway while attacking gamers.

 

[CitizenKain]

What level of surprise should I have that a rightwinger is dumb enough to post something from RT? Or that dumb MRA trash got all butthurt along with it?

 

[glenn1]

Now that you've put roughly 87 "first world feminists" in their place, what's next on the agenda?

Who knows and who cares. Revert back from longitudinal seating to traverse seating and this "problem" goes away. "Manspreading" is a fucking trivial problem compared to the daily whiplashing from the more routine straphanging with a whole 2 square feet of standing space to call your own on a subway car holding 600 people that's designed to hold 250 tops.

 

[pcgeek11]

This is a pretty stupid problem to have in my opinion.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is incorrect. Read the original link contained in your link:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/mta-is-not-messing-around-with-new-psas.html

A wide range of behaviors was always targeted including female centric behaviors as well as things like being a pole hog. It was simply not targeting men. In fact, it was based on public complaints.

Why are people so sensitive?

Because they hate themselves and the slightest implication they act inappropriately under any circumstance threatens to cause them to relive how they got to feel that way. There are folk who will go crazy if you even look at them. The more fucked up people are, the bigger their issues with being respected. Men are particularly hard hit because fewer and fewer women need them for economic support. All the macho types struggle with progressive women because they like sensitivity and a capacity to feel. People hate what they can't have.

 

[UberNeuman]

I understand chastity belts are coming back into style.

 

[Subyman]

This has to be an onion article lol. "Manspreading". I love our world.

 

[davmat787]

No, no, no, no. It's not just feminists, it's anyone with a lick of sense that's against this crap. Close your darn legs and let my pregnant girlfriend have a seat. If I can do it with my 24+ inch thighs, you can do it too.

Oh and to the idiots with the bags on the seats, MOVE THEM. Christ. I shouldn't have to be asking people to move over for me, or more importantly, my girlfriend to sit.

So the other day I rode the bus for a couple hours, the trip being maybe the third time using public transportation in my life. Not trying to stroke my own ego, but when nearly all the seats were occupied I offered my seat to a woman holding a child, and two older women. Each time they graciously declined and seemed almost surprised by my offer. The lady holding a young child was with a guy and he made a point of thanking me for the offer several times and we chatted for a few as well. The guy with the sweet young thing DID NOT thank me or chat after I offered her to sit on my lap however.

Do guys not offer seats to women anymore or something? Maybe it's the boy scout in me but I thought it was still standard behavior for any self respecting guy to offer up your seat as appropriate. I felt uncomfortable when not doing so, what kind of guy lets a woman stand holding her child or an elderly woman stand while you sit?

Obviously rabid militant feminists are exempt of course, or would it piss them off if you insisted they take your seat and make a scene doing so. Hmmmm, might have to experiment with this sometime lol.

I would not be surprised if those complaining of manscaping will also complain in a packed bus I subway that they were oppressed because a male invaded their comfort zone, ignoring their 18" of required buffer zone and space, and thus experienced assault and having several triggers triggered.

 

[Ns1]

Do guys not offer seats to women anymore or something?

50/50 in my experience. If older woman/pregnant woman/handicapped then I almost always see someone giving their seat up. able bodied women get equal treatment though ^_^