Manhunt for cop killer in Los Angeles

[SilthDraeth]

I can't believe the people arguing that it is ok for Law ENFORCEMENT to break the law in order to apprehend someone, or prevent someone else that is believed to be breaking the law.

If you can't hold your LEO to the law, and every part of the justice system, then we have already descended into anarchy.

 

[zanejohnson]

I can't believe the people arguing that it is ok for Law ENFORCEMENT to break the law in order to apprehend someone, or prevent someone else that is believed to be breaking the law.

If you can't hold your LEO to the law, and every part of the justice system, then we have already descended into anarchy.

this right here.


also, 4th and 15th amendment, if due process would have been given, the women who were shot by police would not have been shot... part of due process is proper identification.

there's nothing proper about shooting 46 bullets into one vehicle before you make any sort of identificaton, or ramming another vehicle and then opening fire..again no identification..

and lastly, the whole premise of shooting to kill this man, is, in direct contrast to what due process is supposed to gaurantee american citizens..

and one more thing, they could have gased him out instead of burning him out, it just doesn't add up. and is in fact, anarchy.

 

[Paul98]

What the cops did while trying to kill this guy is exactly what I expect out of them.

 

[AHamick]

Not that it matters but he was only killing people that pissed him off or their family. He didn't kill any random people that I ha e heard about.

LAPD pissed him off. He has killed or wounded ZERO LAPD officers.

He shot and killed 2 on duty LEOs who do not work for LAPD and two civilians.

Quan could be the only person considered an "intentional target"

Everyone else is pretty damn random, unless you are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist like some here claiming all these Police agencies are in cahoots together to murder an innocent man...

 

[randomrogue]

They could have waited him out. They chose not to. The tapes of the police sound crazy. They wanted blood. It sounded like a hunt.

 

[lotus503]

This case frankly for me has been tough.

Both dorner and the police engaging in inappropriate actions.

Part of me rooted for the guy, part of me condemned him for murdering people that had nothing to do with the situation.

I haven't quite figured out why I feel like I do about it.

 

[zanejohnson]

They could have waited him out. They chose not to. The tapes of the police sound crazy. They wanted blood. It sounded like a hunt.

they are absolutely disturbing..

the way we all watched is absolutely disturbing too, real life "hunger games."

 

[SpatiallyAware]

LAPD pissed him off. He has killed or wounded ZERO LAPD officers.

He shot and killed 2 on duty LEOs who do not work for LAPD and two civilians.

Quan could be the only person considered an "intentional target"

Everyone else is pretty damn random, unless you are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist like some here claiming all these Police agencies are in cahoots together to murder an innocent man...

Almost all LEOs have the 'gang style' mentality. Even from other jurisdictions, they are protected and covered up far more than a regular citizen.

Once he was kicked out the gang, he decided to wage war against what is now his rival gang.

Seriously, replace Dorman and LAPD with bloods and crips and it's absolutely no different.

 

[moonbogg]

This case frankly for me has been tough.

Both dorner and the police engaging in inappropriate actions.

Part of me rooted for the guy, part of me condemned him for murdering people that had nothing to do with the situation.

I haven't quite figured out why I feel like I do about it.

Me too. I rooted for him because it was just too much like Rambo to not root for him, but that was for the entertainment value of the situation, and this entertainment value was constantly overshadowed by the fact that he murdered people. There can possibly be justification for killing people in this world but I don't see how he had any, not even for those involved in the situation. You cut your losses and move on with your life. This guy went off the deep end instead and lost everything.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Dorner was hiding in a cabin across from the command post (see page 2). Really? Wow.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/rogue-lapd-officer-believed-dead-standoff-18486994

I looked at all the cabins that backed the national forest and I just didn't think to look at the one across from the command post," he said. "It didn't cross my mind. It just didn't."

 

[Zebo]

More like fourth reich.

 

[lotus503]

Me too. I rooted for him because it was just too much like Rambo to not root for him, but that was for the entertainment value of the situation, and this entertainment value was constantly overshadowed by the fact that he murdered people. There can possibly be justification for killing people in this world but I don't see how he had any, not even for those involved in the situation. You cut your losses and move on with your life. This guy went off the deep end instead and lost everything.

I think I rooted for what he stood for, but not the actions he took. I don't see a lot of difference between dorner and the LAPD based on actions.

 

[sigurros81]

Me too. I rooted for him because it was just too much like Rambo to not root for him, but that was for the entertainment value of the situation, and this entertainment value was constantly overshadowed by the fact that he murdered people. There can possibly be justification for killing people in this world but I don't see how he had any, not even for those involved in the situation. You cut your losses and move on with your life. This guy went off the deep end instead and lost everything.

You're right, the whole ordeal reminds me of this quote by Kevin Spacey in Se7en.

Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention.

I cannot root for the guy because he murdered innocent people, but I definitely empathize for his frustration in dealing with the corruption.

 

[AHamick]

Almost all LEOs have the 'gang style' mentality. Even from other jurisdictions

Really? you know this to be fact how? Please enlighten me how you concluded that ALMOST ALL LEO's have a gang style mentality?

Or are you spewing forth over exaggerated emotional bullshit?

 

[waggy]

I think I rooted for what he stood for, but not the actions he took. I don't see a lot of difference between dorner and the LAPD based on actions.

/this

though he pretty much proved his point. the LAPD does not give a shit.

IF the guy was smarter After seeing/hearing of them shooting up 2 trucks he should have made a video saying something along the lines "see? they shot up 2 trucks WITHOUT saying who they were. i am giving myself up to stop such murderous rampages by the LAPD. i suspect the LAPD will kill me while in custody so i am tapeing" and whatever else and sent it via snail mail to many news agency's. then give himself up at a church or something.

 

[nextJin]

LAPD pissed him off. He has killed or wounded ZERO LAPD officers.

He shot and killed 2 on duty LEOs who do not work for LAPD and two civilians.

Quan could be the only person considered an "intentional target"

Everyone else is pretty damn random, unless you are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist like some here claiming all these Police agencies are in cahoots together to murder an innocent man...

I don't condone anything he did, I'm simply saying his victims were intended or consequential.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Dorner was hiding in a cabin across from the command post (see page 2). Really? Wow.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/rogue-lapd-officer-believed-dead-standoff-18486994

He may be dead, and that may be his charred body.

But, it sounds pretty damn stupid that he would have kept his wallet with his driver's license on him while doing everything he was doing. The only reason for a driver's license is to identify one self to law enforcement. The last thing he would want to do.

Also, how burned up was his body, and how did his wallet and ID survive?

Curious. And I am guessing the basement didn't burn that much. But otherwise, we would have had instant confirmation it was him, so I would guess whatever person was burned, was burned bad enough that one can not identify the body based on a visual inspection.

 

[FerrelGeek]

The moral relativism of the left never fails to amaze me. By your logic, it's not a bad thing to kill abortion doctors.

As bad as it is, at least it wasn't totally random. The guy had some mission as part of what was a 'war' in his mind.

Compared to LEOs randomly gunning down innocent citizens and intentionally burning down a house with him inside of it??

Not that it matters but he was only killing people that pissed him off or their family. He didn't kill any random people that I ha e heard about.

 

[Pantoot]

But, it sounds pretty damn stupid that he would have kept his wallet with his driver's license on him while doing everything he was doing.

I thought his wallet and id were already found in San Diego.

 

[Paul98]

The moral relativism of the left never fails to amaze me. By your logic, it's not a bad thing to kill abortion doctors.

There is a difference between "not a bad thing" and "not as bad."

Saying at least he wasn't shooting random people doesn't mean that they think it's a good thing that he is shooting specific people.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

But, it sounds pretty damn stupid that he would have kept his wallet with his driver's license on him while doing everything he was doing. The only reason for a driver's license is to identify one self to law enforcement. The last thing he would want to do.

What's curious to me is that this is second wallet found. Dorner had 2 wallets with ID?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-ex-cop-may-got-help.html

"The attempt failed when the bow line of the boat became caught in the boat's propeller, and the suspect fled," according to the affidavit by inspector U.S. Marshal Craig McClusky.

After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry" near the U.S.-Mexico border. That same day, a guard at the Point Loma Naval Base told authorities he had spotted a man matching Dorner's description trying sneak onto the base, according to the court records.

 

[Jaskalas]

So... how about that scorched earth policy from SoCal?

He may not have wanted to be taken alive, but they didn't give him any choice. They wanted him silenced and now he is. They would rather beg forgiveness than permission because at the end of the day their job is done.

 

[randomrogue]

This story reminds me a lot of

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-wrath-of-the-killdozer/

I think the reason we all are torn and partially rooting for him is that we can all conceive of a situation where we would do the same thing. The man who murdered the guy who hit his kids took the law into his own hands. Dorner did as well. The difference though is that Dorner and the guy in the killdozer were also trying to make a statement.

In other countries they don't really have the processes that we have here so they end up rioting when they want a pay raise or don't like austerity or whatnot. In the USA these guys went through huge processes that lasted years before finally snapping. It's tough to not sympathize.

Worse yet the police did not take the high ground at all. They basically proved Dorner right through their actions.

 

[randomrogue]

Wait, they're claiming they found ANOTHER wallet? lol

 

[Jaskalas]

What's curious to me is that this is second wallet found. Dorner had 2 wallets with ID?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-ex-cop-may-got-help.html

Maybe that report is false. Or he staged it to look like an escape down there.