Manhunt for cop killer in Los Angeles

[randomrogue]

 

[SheHateMe]

I don't think Dorner was in that house after the fire started.

This all seems like another installment of "Mission Impossible".

 

[jruchko]

Wait, they're claiming they found ANOTHER wallet? lol

Not only are they claiming to have found another wallet, they claim it was next to his burnt body. Apparently a fire hot enough to burn a human body is incapable of melting a piece of plastic.:hmm:

 

[Zebo]

Cops actions throughout this search proved every one of Dorners allegations true and even worse. Basically they are armed vigilante squad dealing death sentences to those they believe are guilty no trial no witnesses. Lucky they cant shoot on three of their attempted murder victims.

These are the same people who allege that you should trust them to keep you safe and ditch your guns. I think not.

 

[FerrelGeek]

There is a difference between "not a bad thing" and "not as bad."

Saying at least he wasn't shooting random people doesn't mean that they think it's a good thing that he is shooting specific people.

Shooting an abortion doc isn't random either.

 

[QueBert]

Really? you know this to be fact how? Please enlighten me how you concluded that ALMOST ALL LEO's have a gang style mentality?

Or are you spewing forth over exaggerated emotional bullshit?

that mentality is to stick up for other cops no matter what the cost. There are plenty of LAPD offers who don't engage in gang like activities. But at the same time, they have a no snitching rule just like gangs. There is A LOT of corruption in the LAPD, yet how many "good cops" step forward to expose it? That means if they're not a dirty cop directly involved in the shit, they're a good one who turns the other cheek. Which in the end doesn't make them all that much better. If there were more stand up whistle blower officers on the LAPD, there would be stories coming out every day.

At this very moment there's at least 1 LAPD officer doing some shit he has no business, and I bet at least 1 other officer has direct knowledge of it. Dorner's though is a perfect example of why you can't speak out on these situations even if you want to. He tried to do the right thing and got shit canned.

Since even the good cops are indirectly supporting the actions of the bad ones, they all are in the same gang in my eyes. I doubt there are many cops, except maybe 1st month rookies who don't know about all kinds of illegal shit that other officers have done.

 

[Darwin333]

Wait, since when was "burn em out or burn em down" an accepted police tactic in the US?????

 

[Zebo]

^ i dont know man you listen to that scanner audio talking about "burn the MFer" seemed like lots were in on it like dozens like all on scene.

 

[randomrogue]

I hope that a few things change due to this:

1. No more censoring the media. They created a no-fly zone, had the media play looped recorded footage, stopped allowing tweets, and turned off police scanner broadcasts.

2. Punishment to the officers involved in the car shootings. Make an example of them. You can't just shoot at people who aren't even the same race, sex, or in the same vehicle as the suspect and who didn't do anything wrong at all.

3. This idea of shoot first ask questions later needs to stop. If the reports are true that they didn't confirm his identity, made no effort to communicate with him, and simply had a plan to burn him out then they need to be punished.

4. Planting evidence. If this wallet is indeed found then I'm calling bullshit since they already found a wallet and they claimed for about 8 hours that they couldn't enter the building due to the heat and need forensics to identify the body.

 

[Darwin333]

Really? you know this to be fact how? Please enlighten me how you concluded that ALMOST ALL LEO's have a gang style mentality?

Or are you spewing forth over exaggerated emotional bullshit?

I don't know about "gang style mentalities" but almost all LEO's spew that blue line bullshit which protects the bad cops and makes us distrust all cops in general.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Here's something to think about. What if the burned body isn't Dorner?

 

[Zebo]

I hope that a few things change due to this:

1. No more censoring the media. They created a no-fly zone, had the media play looped recorded footage, stopped allowing tweets, and turned off police scanner broadcasts.

2. Punishment to the officers involved in the car shootings. Make an example of them. You can't just shoot at people who aren't even the same race, sex, or in the same vehicle as the suspect and who didn't do anything wrong at all.

3. This idea of shoot first ask questions later needs to stop. If the reports are true that they didn't confirm his identity, made no effort to communicate with him, and simply had a plan to burn him out then they need to be punished.

4. Planting evidence. If this wallet is indeed found then I'm calling bullshit since they already found a wallet and they claimed for about 8 hours that they couldn't enter the building due to the heat and need forensics to identify the body.

None of those will work.

Full Shift live feeds on helm/hat to monitor everything they do from abuse to killings to 2 hour breaks at donuts shop. Feed goes down you're terminated.

This shit would stop dead in it's tracks.

 

[Darwin333]

^ i dont know man you listen to that scanner audio talking about "burn the MFer" seemed like lots were in on it like dozens like all on scene.

Even if you give the LEO onsite the benefit of the doubt (they were stressed, anxious, scared, whatever) there is supposed to be a shotcaller who remains calm and collective.

For fucks sake, keep pumping teargas into the cabin and play some Britney Spears music really loud and he will eventually come out. It sounds like they had him seriously pinned down to one corner of the cabin, knowing that they should have easily been able to keep all the cops safe while using long guns to keep him pinned down. But to torch the cabin???? Thats seriously fucked up imo.

Does anyone know the approximate time between the start of the encounter at the cabin and them burning it down?

 

[Darwin333]

None of those will work.

Full Shift live feeds on helm/hat to monitor everything they do from abuse to killings to 2 hour breaks at donuts shop. Feed goes down you're terminated.

This shit would stop dead in it's tracks.

Even better, prosecute the bastards with the exact same crimes and in the exact same way that a civilian would if they did the exact same thing.

Same results, shit would stop dead in its tracks. I guarantee you that LEO would be real sure about their targets if they knew that using the old "spray and pray" method might get them 20-30 with bubba.

I do really like the helmet cam thing though, how about we combine the two and call it a day?

Edit: Can the police actually enforce a no fly zone or did they just ask the media and/or the FAA?

 

[BoberFett]

He killed another cop. Anyone that cheers this domestic terrorist on is a fucking idiot.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-deputy-dies-after-shootout.html

Anyone who sides with an abusive government agency is a traitor.

 

[Zebo]

Man the press covers their ass is a big problem. Remember when cops attempted to kill people driving vechiles that sorta looked like Dorners? Could barley find a story. Now they are on tape saying "let's burn this MFer" and not a story saying LAPD did it. Just innocuous leads like "Dorner chase ends in burned out cabin"

 

[kage69]

Not only are they claiming to have found another wallet, they claim it was next to his burnt body. Apparently a fire hot enough to burn a human body is incapable of melting a piece of plastic.:hmm:

You'd be surprised what can survive a hot fire. I've had wood stoves burning for hours, go to stir and level the embers before adding more wood, and sometimes while stirring things with the poker I'll see a sizeable, completely unfazed, intact wad of newspaper that was part of the kindling/combo that started the fire earlier that morning!

How do you know the wallet was plastic? Could be leather, a synthetic material, maybe it was resting underneath something that spared it from igniting, but melted like a panini?

Correct me if I'm wrong but they said the body was badly burned, not cremated. That takes a lot of fuel and time, especially for someone with Dorner's bodytype.

 

[Zebo]

Wallet was probably in is pocket and under him while top of body was burned to a crisp - bottom wouldn't be. Need O2 to burn.

 

[Paul98]

Here's something to think about. What if the burned body isn't Dorner?

The fact that they still have protective detail for many of the families means they aren't all that certain it is.

 

[randomrogue]

The fact that they still have protective detail for many of the families means they aren't all that certain it is.

They opened the roads pretty quickly though.

 

[kage69]

Here's something to think about. What if the burned body isn't Dorner?

That's a hypothetical that I guess is possible, but if the guy can't even plan out having a dependable ride for his "war," I'm guessing that having a believable dead body double ready to go is unlikely.


Guess we'll find out soon.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That's a hypothetical that I guess is possible, but if the guy can't even plan out having a dependable ride for his "war," I'm guessing that having a believable dead body double ready to go is unlikely.


Guess we'll find out soon.

Agree...it's probably him. But damn...if it isn't...the LAPD would be humilated.

 

[Zebo]

Lol Kage I said in another thread he was a bad serial killer... No wonder LAPD fired him.

 

[randomrogue]

That's a whole different discussion. Seems to me that if I was him I would have bought a dozen or more cars/motorcycles/mopeds, etc and had them strategically placed around. I probably would have had a mock entourage too though and claimed I was LL Cool J.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I hope that a few things change due to this:

1. No more censoring the media. They created a no-fly zone, had the media play looped recorded footage, stopped allowing tweets, and turned off police scanner broadcasts.

2. Punishment to the officers involved in the car shootings. Make an example of them. You can't just shoot at people who aren't even the same race, sex, or in the same vehicle as the suspect and who didn't do anything wrong at all.

3. This idea of shoot first ask questions later needs to stop. If the reports are true that they didn't confirm his identity, made no effort to communicate with him, and simply had a plan to burn him out then they need to be punished.

4. Planting evidence. If this wallet is indeed found then I'm calling bullshit since they already found a wallet and they claimed for about 8 hours that they couldn't enter the building due to the heat and need forensics to identify the body.

1. And let the perpetrator know everything? Where the police are, what they plan on doing, etc? What happened was standard procedure.

2. Yes, those cops should be arrested and punished.

3. They have the hostages of the first car and the owner of the second car that he jacked identify him. This same individual is also shooting/killing an officer and flees into the cabin. And there is no information that they didn't attempt to communicate with him. What should they have done with someone shooting at you to get additional information? Who cares, who he is at this point.

4. Why would they plant the wallet when forensics are going to be performed to confirm it was Dorner?