Man in critical condition for using word n*****

[soundforbjt]

Don't want to get punched, don't verbally assault a guy trying to help you.

 

[Spungo]

Damn near anything a complete stranger, who is DRUNK, says to you is meaningless. They are just flailing about verbally, they don't give a shit who they are talking to or what they are saying.

Common sense and thousands of years of wisdom say you are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas

In vino veritas is a Latin phrase that translates “in wine [there is the] truth". The expression, together with its counterpart in Greek, “Ἐν οἴνῳ ἀλήθεια” (En oinōi alētheia), is found in Erasmus' Adagia, I.vii.17.[1] Pliny the Elder's Naturalis historia contains an early allusion to the phrase.[2] The Greek expression is traced back to a poem by Alcaeus.[3]
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Similar phrases exist across cultures and languages.

Drunk people tell the truth. A drunk guy ranting about blacks is expressing the feelings he always has. That means you should listen to everything drunk people say. This drunk guy revealed how much of a wise and beautiful woman he is, so the black guy did the morally correct thing and knocked his ass out.

 

[Doppel]

Common sense and thousands of years of wisdom say you are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas


Drunk people tell the truth. A drunk guy ranting about blacks is expressing the feelings he always has. That means you should listen to everything drunk people say. This drunk guy revealed how much of a wise and beautiful woman he is, so the black guy did the morally correct thing and knocked his ass out.

He's no more of a wise and beautiful woman than a lot of people, he just happened to be drunk so we get to hear about it.

 

[Mani]

I guess the moral of the story is dont scream in somebody's face unless you want to potentially get punched in the face.

I think it's better stated, don't scream intensely personal insults to someone repeatedly unless you want to risk bodily harm. This is nothing new and happens every day in every corner of this country. This one just made news because the punch ended up making the asshole hit his head on the concrete.

 

[Richard N]

Common sense and thousands of years of wisdom say you are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas


Drunk people tell the truth. A drunk guy ranting about blacks is expressing the feelings he always has. That means you should listen to everything drunk people say. This drunk guy revealed how much of a wise and beautiful woman he is, so the black guy did the morally correct thing and knocked his ass out.

"A sober mans thoughts are a drunk mans words"

 

[Nebor]

Of course they do. You're thinking via your own narrow racist scope. History is full of examples where words incited people to violence, whether it was threats, declarations, "jokes", oral, written, etc...

There's a thread in OP about this guy killing a black teenager in an SUV and your racist buddies are saying that words or imaginary shotguns are enough to justify homicide (of a black person, no doubt). I'm sure, in that instance, you would jump on their bandwagon

Yeah, and those people incited to violence are usually wrong.

 

[momeNt]

It's a sad day in America when it is no longer safe to use certain words without fear of great bodily harm.

Last I checked words and physical violence are not equal. It should always be safe in this country to say whatever is on your mind, and not fear any physical response.

 

[Doppel]

It's a sad day in America when it is no longer safe to use certain words without fear of great bodily harm.

Last I checked words and physical violence are not equal. It should always be safe in this country to say whatever is on your mind, and not fear any physical response.

Not only that but we now you can't even say what he said! You have to say n word. Even the normal spelling of awesome dude is filtered out in the forum. And so our words have become so dangerous that we cannot criticize a person for saying the n word without filtering it as we do so, as if uttering the very word will set us aflame.

How stupendously idiotic that some in the world view the very utterance of a word as tacit approval for its use when classifying a group. What a cowardice we have that we even condone it.

 

[fskimospy]

It's a sad day in America when it is no longer safe to use certain words without fear of great bodily harm.

Last I checked words and physical violence are not equal. It should always be safe in this country to say whatever is on your mind, and not fear any physical response.

Can you point to any day in American history where it was safe to scream insults in someone's face without fear of bodily harm?

 

[momeNt]

Can you point to any day in American history where it was safe to scream insults in someone's face without fear of bodily harm?

I said what I said so that people can see that it was never safe to do that. That brings us to the bigger question though, why are the verbal insults not seen as adequate provocation where the physical attacker can claim either provocation / self-defense? It seems that nearly everybody agrees that somebody who screams insults to somebody's face "has it coming" yet why does the law disagree? I do not like when law is severed from societal standards.

 

[fskimospy]

I said what I said so that people can see that it was never safe to do that. That brings us to the bigger question though, why are the verbal insults not seen as adequate provocation where the physical attacker can claim either provocation / self-defense? It seems that nearly everybody agrees that somebody who screams insults to somebody's face "has it coming" yet why does the law disagree? I do not like when law is severed from societal standards.

I would say that most people agree that someone who insults people in that way runs a substantial risk of assault, but most people also agree that such an assault should be illegal.

It seems like our societal standards and the law match up pretty well here.

 

[momeNt]

I would say that most people agree that someone who insults people in that way runs a substantial risk of assault, but most people also agree that such an assault should be illegal.

It seems like our societal standards and the law match up pretty well here.

So with a well organized campaign, white people could get a substantial number of black people imprisoned just by screaming insults at them? At what point would you say that this group of white people is committing a hate crime by putting all these black people in prison by provoking an assault?

 

[fskimospy]

So with a well organized campaign, white people could get a substantial number of black people imprisoned just by screaming insults at them? At what point would you say that this group of white people is committing a hate crime by putting all these black people in prison by provoking an assault?

With a well organized campaign anyone could get a substantial number of people of any race imprisoned by screaming insults in their faces. I don't know what the point is.

You said that our societal standards don't match up with the law, but I really don't see how that's the case. For the most part everyone seems to agree that the outcome was correct.

 

[justoh]

If "societal standards matched the law" then people wouldn't be supporting the use of violence over mere words.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Foreseeable? No. In a civil society you should never expect to be assaulted. You could say racial slurs at me all day long and I wouldnt hit you. Its because im civilized. Obviously there are others who have no self control and shoukd be removed from society.

This, this and this. It's disgusting that people with moral standards who don't turn violent over verbal remarks have to be tyrannized by those with none.

 

[Patranus]

Don't want to get punched, don't verbally assault a guy trying to help you.

So if I punch a Trayvon Martin clone for calling me a "craker" should I be charged with assault?

 

[TerryMathews]

So if I punch a Trayvon Martin clone for calling me a "craker" should I be charged with assault?

But but but he was just a little angel walking back from the store with skittles and tea. If Georgie had just stayed in the car. My gosh!

 

[soundforbjt]

So if I punch a Trayvon Martin clone for calling me a "craker" should I be charged with assault?

If he calls you that while you're trying to help him, then no, unless you're an adult and he's a minor, then yes.

 

[soundforbjt]

But but but he was just a little angel walking back from the store with skittles and tea. If Georgie had just stayed in the car. My gosh!

Glad to see you finally get it...

 

[BlitzPuppet]

lol at the comments

"Arrest him for making racist comments!"

then it will be "Arrest them for having dirty thoughts" or "Wondering what I'd look like naked" or "Save me thought police, save me!!!!"

 

[TerryMathews]

Glad to see you finally get it...

Well, you all have been saying the same thing for 16 months. It's easy to remember after the first 6.

 

[Patranus]

Curious if the man who perpetrated the assault will be charged with a hate crime.
By all accounts, he punched the guy for using the "n-word" while being white while if he had been black and used the "n-word" I assert that no such assault would have been perpetrated.

 

[Steeplerot]

Poor racist morons, those big mean people who *gasp* show intolerance of bigotry when screamed in your face. Bet this guy WILL NOT let that word so easily fall from his lips again.

Kinda funny, his wife left him for a black dude. More insecure morons who think they can push their self-hate on others for themselves being losers in life. Sometimes karma is instant baby!

Protip: drag him into an alley first for his boot party and leave his ass in the dumpster where he belongs.

 

[Doppel]

Poor racist morons, those big mean people who *gasp* show intolerance of bigotry when screamed in your face. Bet this guy WILL NOT let that word so easily fall from his lips again.

Kinda funny, his wife left him for a black dude. More insecure morons who think they can push their self-hate on others for themselves being losers in life. Sometimes karma is instant baby!

Protip: drag him into an alley first for his boot party and leave his ass in the dumpster where he belongs.

So in your world the insecure guy ISN'T the guy who resorts to violence when he hears an offensive word. Sounds reasonable.

Patranus' comment above you is in fact logical: there is no way he would have hit a black person for saying the same thin and it is therefore a hate crime. Btw I think hate crimes are utter rubbish but there it is.

I disagree that the law matches societal standards in this see. Just look at all the people here who condone violence leading to a critical injury after being insulted by a complete stranger. If that isn't a sign of deep rooted insecurity I honestly don't know what is.

 

[hal2kilo]

It's a sad day in America when it is no longer safe to use certain words without fear of great bodily harm.

Last I checked words and physical violence are not equal. It should always be safe in this country to say whatever is on your mind, and not fear any physical response.

Fantasizing is fun isn't it.