Man in critical condition for using word n*****

[Nintendesert]

Exactly, which is what I said in my first post. I'm glad the guy who punched him got arrested, and he should be charged with assault. Anyone who can't see that the Goldman douche's actions lead to a high likelihood of being assaulted is pretty obtuse.

So do you say the same thing about a woman raped? Her being pretty/wearing skimpy clothing/existing lead to a high likelihood of being assaulted?

Exactly, which is what I said in my first post. I'm glad the guy who raped her got arrested, and he should be charged with sexual assault. Anyone who can't see that the woman's actions lead to a high likelihood of being sexually assaulted is pretty obtuse.

Hmm. I suppose so.

 

[fskimospy]

So do you say the same thing about a woman raped? Her being pretty/wearing skimpy clothing/existing lead to a high likelihood of being assaulted?

Hmm. I suppose so.

This post not only exposes your fundamental ignorance of what leads people to commit rape, but then you make things worse by trying to shoehorn in a hilariously bad false equivalence.

1.) Rape is a crime about power, hatred, and control; it is not a crime about sexual attraction. Research shows that most rapists don't even remember what their victim was wearing and there is actually no evidence that a woman who is dressed provocatively is more likely to be raped. The more you know, eh?

2.) Even if that were true, risk mitigation is not victim blaming.

3.) Screaming racial slurs in someone's face has a fairly high probability of leading to violence. Wearing provocative clothes does not in fact have a fairly high probability of leading to rape. Therefore it is reasonable to say that one has a foreseeable outcome and the other does not.

4.) Depending on exactly how he engaged in his racial slurring, the Goldman guy may be guilty of a crime himself (assault). The guy who punched him may be able to totally walk on this charge due to being previously assaulted before retaliating.

This board sometimes... haha. I have to say it's reached a new low for stupidity when someone tries to argue that someone screaming racial slurs in someone's face is equal to wearing a short skirt. I guess that's what happens when you have an overwhelmingly white, male message board.

 

[BoberFett]

Spin it however you want, you're blaming the victim for one crime and not the other.

 

[jackstar7]

Nice to see all the members of the 'AT He-Man Woman-Hating Club' coming out to defend a drunk guy. I mean how could he be responsible for his actions, right?

 

[fskimospy]

Spin it however you want, you're blaming the victim for one crime and not the other.

I like how on this board 'spin' means 'has an argument I can't refute'.

You tried to equate running into someone's table and screaming racial slurs in their face to a woman wearing a short skirt. That was dumb, and I have no doubt that you know it was dumb. (not to mention that there isn't any evidence that clothing is a significant contributor to rape)

I will say that while your previous post was dumb, it is still a marked improvement from your normal posts that basically involve you running into a thread and impotently raging and foaming for awhile without even addressing the topic. Stupid and on-topic is better than stupid and off-topic, so kudos to you!

 

[fskimospy]

Nice to see all the members of the 'AT He-Man Woman-Hating Club' coming out to defend a drunk guy. I mean how could he be responsible for his actions, right?

Don't you understand? Drunken verbal assault is no different than wearing a short skirt. Their logic is unbeatable.

 

[AlienCraft]

Of course they do. You're thinking via your own narrow racist scope. History is full of examples where words incited people to violence, whether it was threats, declarations, "jokes", oral, written, etc...

There's a thread in OP about this guy killing a black teenager in an SUV and your racist buddies are saying that words or imaginary shotguns are enough to justify homicide (of a black person, no doubt). I'm sure, in that instance, you would jump on their bandwagon

How about this then....Words are not a LEGAL justification for assault. And they aren't a civil one either.

 

[fskimospy]

How about this then....Words are not a LEGAL justification for assault. And they aren't a civil one either.

Actually, as I mentioned before, depending on how those words are delivered they can in fact be a legal justification. If someone says "I'm going to kill you in 10 seconds" and you have cause to believe they mean it, you can totally beat up/shoot/kill them for it.

In this case, depending on how those racial slurs were delivered, if the guy at dinner thought there was a credible threat of violence or some other altercation from this guy he can totally punch him and get away with it. Now I don't know if this particular case met that standard as the article doesn't have enough detail, but it might.

 

[SheHateMe]

Instead of punching him, he should have just tied the guy's shoelaces together in hopes that he would trip and fall in from of a Semi-truck.

 

[Nintendesert]

Don't you understand? Drunken verbal assault is no different than wearing a short skirt. Their logic is unbeatable.

So when some hippy yells baby killer at returning troops they should have just wholesale fucked them up and that's ok with you? :whiste:

Why do you hate victims so much? You must be a closet rapist.

 

[Slew Foot]

Drunk asshole deserves to get cold cocked.

 

[Nintendesert]

Drunk asshole deserves to get cold cocked.

I don't like your hurtful words, so I'm justified in "cold cocking" you too?

 

[ivwshane]

The right will always defend someone's right to be an ass or an asshole and then cry when people respond unkindly.

 

[Doppel]

The right will always defend someone's right to be an ass or an asshole and then cry when people respond unkindly.

And God Bless them for it.

Parents refer to it as "using your words" instead of throwing a tantrum like a frustrated three year old. Most people grow out of such behavior because when you're a kid it gets you a time out. When you act like a tantrum baby as an adult you get years in prison.

 

[ivwshane]

And God Bless them for it.

Parents refer to it as "using your words" instead of throwing a tantrum like a frustrated three year old. Most people grow out of such behavior because when you're a kid it gets you a time out. When you act like a tantrum baby as an adult you get years in prison.

So the disorderly drunk guy went to prison?

Yes, falling on some unknown persons table and then yelling at them is just "using your words".

Ones incorrect reaction doesn't excuse the original action/behavior but that's all I'm hearing on here.

 

[werepossum]

Even though the guy was drunk?

What about trying to hit him while unconscious laying on the ground bleeding?

Yes. If one cannot keep a civil tongue when drunk, one should stay sober. Being drunk should not be a blanket defense, else we couldn't prosecute DUI.
No. Trying to hit someone laying on the ground is not cool.

Grow up. Words don't justify violence in real life. If you assault someone, don't be surprised if they kill you.

I think racial slurs against blacks can be treated a bit differently because of the fairly recent history of government-sanctioned oppression. That history makes it a bit different from your average insult.

Actually, as I mentioned before, depending on how those words are delivered they can in fact be a legal justification. If someone says "I'm going to kill you in 10 seconds" and you have cause to believe they mean it, you can totally beat up/shoot/kill them for it.

In this case, depending on how those racial slurs were delivered, if the guy at dinner thought there was a credible threat of violence or some other altercation from this guy he can totally punch him and get away with it. Now I don't know if this particular case met that standard as the article doesn't have enough detail, but it might.

I doubt there was any credible threat of violence here. Had the black guy beaten the drunk senseless I would support charging him, but as I understand it this is a case where the drunk white guy intentionally used racial slurs, was struck, and fell down, injuring himself by striking his head. Seems to me that this sort of behavior carries an inherent risk of being punched, and being punched carries an inherent risk of serious injury.

This is one of the few situations where I think words can justify violence.

 

[DeadFred]

This board sometimes... haha. I have to say it's reached a new low for stupidity when someone tries to argue that someone screaming racial slurs in someone's face is equal to wearing a short skirt. I guess that's what happens when you have an overwhelmingly white, male message board.

RACIST!

Oh wait my bad......its only racist if a white guy says something bad about any other race. Sorry, I forgot how that works for a sec.

 

[ivwshane]

RACIST!

Oh wait my bad......its only racist if a white guy says something bad about any other race. Sorry, I forgot how that works for a sec.

Oh, I must have missed the part where he said it's only racist when everyone but black people say racist things.

Can you highlight that part for me?

 

[Doppel]

So the disorderly drunk guy went to prison?

Yes, falling on some unknown persons table and then yelling at them is just "using your words".

Ones incorrect reaction doesn't excuse the original action/behavior but that's all I'm hearing on here.

He was arrested, he will face a criminal trial, and yes he will be convicted and spend time behind bars. The fact he tried to run away indicates his immediate admittance of guilt and will emphasize how inappropriate his conduct was. He didn't mean to kill/critically injure the guy, certainly, but his negligent and unlawful behavior did result in that happening.

 

[ivwshane]

He was arrested, he will face a criminal trial, and yes he will be convicted and spend time behind bars. The fact he tried to run away indicates his immediate admittance of guilt and will emphasize how inappropriate his conduct was. He didn't mean to kill/critically injure the guy, certainly, but his negligent and unlawful behavior did result in that happening.

Again, just for clarification; The drunk guy is facing a criminal trial?

 

[DeadFred]

Oh, I must have missed the part where he said it's only racist when everyone but black people say racist things.

Can you highlight that part for me?

You must be one of the white males here. <----- So you probably didnt get that inference either, shall I highlight it for you?

 

[ivwshane]

You must be one of the white males here. <----- So you probably didnt get that inference either, shall I highlight it for you?

Yes please do.

 

[DeadFred]

WOW, I really hope you arent a white male, if so then Eskimospy may be onto something.


BAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[jackstar7]

He was arrested, he will face a criminal trial, and yes he will be convicted and spend time behind bars. The fact he tried to run away indicates his immediate admittance of guilt and will emphasize how inappropriate his conduct was. He didn't mean to kill/critically injure the guy, certainly, but his negligent and unlawful behavior did result in that happening.

Running away implies panic, not guilt.

 

[ivwshane]

WOW, I really hope you arent a white male, if so then Eskimospy may be onto something.


BAHAHAHAHAHA!

So pointing out facts is now a form of racism?



Sorry I didn't know I was dealing with an idiot. Carry on.