Man in critical condition for using word n*****

[Doppel]

Running away implies panic, not guilt.

Panic over what, exactly? That the guy on the ground was going to jump up and really kick his ass for real? In any case, doesn't matter. I cannot imagine it won't be held against him, just like a hit and run in a car.

 

[fskimospy]

You must be one of the white males here. <----- So you probably didnt get that inference either, shall I highlight it for you?

Yeah, your reading comprehension is bad.

 

[UberNeuman]

An incident like this allows me to use my two favorite sayings:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

and

You fuck with the bull, you might just get the horns.

 

[jackstar7]

Panic over what, exactly? That the guy on the ground was going to jump up and really kick his ass for real? In any case, doesn't matter. I cannot imagine it won't be held against him, just like a hit and run in a car.

You can't imagine yourself in that situation? I understand you'd never get physical, but if you can imagine it, you might see how you hitting a guy and him cracking his head on the concrete might cause panic.

It CAN absolutely be held against him. In fact, it likely will be. I'm just saying the one doesn't mean the other.

 

[HumblePie]

Wow, the comments in this thread make me shake my head.

The drunk dude was stupid. That's a given. Should be at most arrested for public intoxication. He's a racist and was making racial comments oh well. He was being big fucking ass. Oh well. Being an ass though in no WAY allows anyone the legal right to punch him in the face no matter how much most of us think he deserves it. While we may all think someone needs an ass kicking for their actions, that doesn't give legal right for anyone to bring violence upon another.

The black guy went WAY over the line when he attacked the idiot. Plain and simple.

 

[DeadFred]

Yeah, your reading comprehension is bad.

LOL


Another one!

 

[jackstar7]

Jack was way over the line when he punched Ron.

Everyone who has ever watched 'Mr. Mom' and applauded that scene... seriously... smh.

 

[SheHateMe]

Wow, the comments in this thread make me shake my head.

The drunk dude was stupid. That's a given. Should be at most arrested for public intoxication. He's a racist and was making racial comments oh well. He was being big fucking ass. Oh well. Being an ass though in no WAY allows anyone the legal right to punch him in the face no matter how much most of us think he deserves it. While we may all think someone needs an ass kicking for their actions, that doesn't give legal right for anyone to bring violence upon another.

The black guy went WAY over the line when he attacked the idiot. Plain and simple.

Well, hopefully the racist will go up and meet Jesus so we don't have to deal with any offspring he might have brought in the future.

 

[berzerker60]

I don't think there's actually much disagreement in this thread, yet it's full of vitriolic bickering.

"He didn't have any legal right to punch him, and violence isn't really the answer, but he was being a real dick and it's not surprising he got punched."
"No, violence isn't the answer! He had no legal right to punch the guy, even though he'd being an ass!"
"Being an ass isn't an excuse to punch someone! The puncher should be arrested!"

 

[Attic]

You shouldn't punch people in the face, but sounds like this guy got what he deserved.

I'd have thought if anything drove the punch, it would have been an insult to the mans gf not the use of the N word.

That being said, if this guy was chocolate wasted, he should have been called in to police. Given his behavior it is likely he wasn't drunk from like 4-5 drinks, but rather stupid wasted from 15-20.

 

[Doppel]

You can't imagine yourself in that situation? I understand you'd never get physical, but if you can imagine it, you might see how you hitting a guy and him cracking his head on the concrete might cause panic.

It CAN absolutely be held against him. In fact, it likely will be. I'm just saying the one doesn't mean the other.

I said I cannot imagine it won't be held against him not that I could not imagine myself wondering at the time if I could run and hide somewhere

 

[Doppel]

I don't think there's actually much disagreement in this thread, yet it's full of vitriolic bickering.

"He didn't have any legal right to punch him, and violence isn't really the answer, but he was being a real dick and it's not surprising he got punched."
"No, violence isn't the answer! He had no legal right to punch the guy, even though he'd being an ass!"
"Being an ass isn't an excuse to punch someone! The puncher should be arrested!"

there is disagreement. Everyone thinks it was out of line to insult, but a lot of people appear to condone the violent response, whereas a lot of others don't.

 

[TerryMathews]

there is disagreement. Everyone thinks it was out of line to insult, but a lot of people appear to condone the violent response, whereas a lot of others don't.

Right. It's a two part preposition.

A) racial slurs are inappropriate
B) so violence while illegal is understandable.

Just because everyone agrees with A doesn't mean that everyone agrees with B.

 

[dawheat]

1. For all the macho men on this board who always seem to imply that they wouldn't let anyone tread on themselves or their loved ones, there's a whole lot of people who are freaking out over literally one punch. Of course this did happen in NY - I imagine folks in Texas or some other place with bigger balls would just get the guy patched up and move on.

2. He should be charged, tried and given a sentence that fits his actions. Probation sounds about right to me. Some drunken idiot makes contact with him and scream racial profanities. He throws and makes contact with one punch that doesn't directly cause the injuries, but the idiot falls and hits his head. There was clearly no intent to cause that much harm and when he realized it, freaked out.

The drunken guy should be tried for public intoxication and assault and probably also given probation. I'm a little less understanding since I know a ton of bankers and they're generally the biggest, most entitled, assholes you'll ever meet in life.

 

[Dari]

You're wrong and the guy who did this will rightfully be convicted and spend time behind bars.

Doubt if he'll go to jail or prison for this.

 

[Dari]

1. For all the macho men on this board who always seem to imply that they wouldn't let anyone tread on themselves or their loved ones, there's a whole lot of people who are freaking out over literally one punch. Of course this did happen in NY - I imagine folks in Texas or some other place with bigger balls would just get the guy patched up and move on.

2. He should be charged, tried and given a sentence that fits his actions. Probation sounds about right to me. Some drunken idiot makes contact with him and scream racial profanities. He throws and makes contact with one punch that doesn't directly cause the injuries, but the idiot falls and hits his head. There was clearly no intent to cause that much harm and when he realized it, freaked out.

The drunken guy should be tried for public intoxication and assault and probably also given probation. I'm a little less understanding since I know a ton of bankers and they're generally the biggest, most entitled, assholes you'll ever meet in life.

Some of what you say here I may take personally but, generally speaking, you are 100% correct.

 

[Arkaign]

1. For all the macho men on this board who always seem to imply that they wouldn't let anyone tread on themselves or their loved ones, there's a whole lot of people who are freaking out over literally one punch. Of course this did happen in NY - I imagine folks in Texas or some other place with bigger balls would just get the guy patched up and move on.

2. He should be charged, tried and given a sentence that fits his actions. Probation sounds about right to me. Some drunken idiot makes contact with him and scream racial profanities. He throws and makes contact with one punch that doesn't directly cause the injuries, but the idiot falls and hits his head. There was clearly no intent to cause that much harm and when he realized it, freaked out.

The drunken guy should be tried for public intoxication and assault and probably also given probation. I'm a little less understanding since I know a ton of bankers and they're generally the biggest, most entitled, assholes you'll ever meet in life.

<-- Texas here. I've been in more fights than I should have been, and never got charged, though I did get detained one time until security camera footage was reviewed in a situation where I beat the holy crap out of someone who kicked their small child in a wal mart.

In this case I totally understand why the guy punched him, and why he even wanted to go punch him twice or kick him : he really could have been a threat. When someone is drunk and aggressive, you really don't know what their intentions might really be. Who knows if he's carrying a weapon or going to pull a knife (or grab one from the table) and stab you. Once someone is in close proximity to you and your loved ones and starts acting in a really threatening manner, I think it's legit to KTFO their dumb ass if they are dumb enough to use racial slurs against you.

I don't think this would have been a case here in Texas. In NY, I understand the namby-pamby gov't nanny wanting to make everything in the world illegal, but I can't imagine a jury convicting him of anything. Particularly when one can't say with any seriousness that it was his intention to knock him to the ground and have him seriously injured (that just happened to be a happy accident!).

 

[Incorruptible]

The drunk should never have used the n word but that gives no right to the guy to punch the drunk. The guy who punched him should face charges for what he did.

He thinks he's such a toughguy beating up on a drunk. Lets see him try it when the guy is sober.

 

[bshole]

Everybody acts like being drunk makes you a victim. That is doubtful. Being drunk has the potential to make you a predator....

About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinking at the time of the offense.

Two-thirds of victims who suffered violence by an intimate (a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend) reported that alcohol had been a factor. Among spouse victims, 3 out of 4 incidents were reported to have involved an offender who had been drinking.

Among the 5.3 million convicted offenders under the jurisdiction of corrections agencies in 1996, nearly 2 million, or about 36 percent, were estimated to have been drinking at the time of the offense. The vast majority, about 1.5 million, of these alcohol-involved offenders were sentenced to supervision in the community: 1.3 million on probation and more than 200,000 on parole.

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/costs/a/aa980415.htm

 

[Arkaign]

Everybody acts like being drunk makes you a victim. That is doubtful. Being drunk has the potential to make you a predator....







http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/costs/a/aa980415.htm

Definitely. Being drunk and combative in public just makes you an asshole. I see it all the time around here. I have two bars at my nearest intersection. One is simply called 'The Bar', and run by older folks with an older clientele. Nothing ever happens there, people have a good time, and the owner is always there and pays for people's cabs and cuts them off if they even start to get the slightest bit rowdy, which is damned rare. The other bar is a sports bar rathole frequented by 20-somethings with terrible management. The ONLY two times I've been there fights broke out and drunk morons were punching each other on the patio section. I see cops and ambulances there at least once a month.

Drinking is not an automatic asshole card, but being hammered and aggressive definitely is. It's just worse when you have more than one hammered and aggressive asshole up against each other. It's actually more dangerous for everyone involved when people don't know how to fight as well.

 

[woolfe9998]

I don't think there's actually much disagreement in this thread, yet it's full of vitriolic bickering.

"He didn't have any legal right to punch him, and violence isn't really the answer, but he was being a real dick and it's not surprising he got punched."
"No, violence isn't the answer! He had no legal right to punch the guy, even though he'd being an ass!"
"Being an ass isn't an excuse to punch someone! The puncher should be arrested!"

True, there isn't much disagreement in the sense that everyone seems to agree that the drunk racist was an asshole but the guy who punched him was also in the wrong and should be prosecuted. The difference is in where people's sympathies lie.

Personally I'm sympathetic to the guy who did the punching. A single punch in the heat of the moment given this degree of provocation is understandable to some degree particularly as the level of harm was not intended. I think the guy should be prosecuted because I believe in the rule of law.

However, when someone is a racist and running around drunk spewing bile in public, honestly I have trouble being sympathetic over the harm foreseeably incurred.

Ideally the racist should make a full recovery and the hitter should be convicted and sentenced lightly. However, reality doesn't always conform to ideals.

 

[werepossum]

1. For all the macho men on this board who always seem to imply that they wouldn't let anyone tread on themselves or their loved ones, there's a whole lot of people who are freaking out over literally one punch. Of course this did happen in NY - I imagine folks in Texas or some other place with bigger balls would just get the guy patched up and move on.

2. He should be charged, tried and given a sentence that fits his actions. Probation sounds about right to me. Some drunken idiot makes contact with him and scream racial profanities. He throws and makes contact with one punch that doesn't directly cause the injuries, but the idiot falls and hits his head. There was clearly no intent to cause that much harm and when he realized it, freaked out.

The drunken guy should be tried for public intoxication and assault and probably also given probation. I'm a little less understanding since I know a ton of bankers and they're generally the biggest, most entitled, assholes you'll ever meet in life.

I really think some words are "fighting words" and when used, violence is to be expected. That said, I have no problem with charging the black guy considering the end result - which is a foreseeable if rare result from punching someone - but personally I would not convict him of anything more than a misdemeanor. Guy wasn't being a drunk asshole, he wouldn't have been punched. Guy wasn't drunk, he probably wouldn't have cracked his head open after being punched.

<-- Texas here. I've been in more fights than I should have been, and never got charged, though I did get detained one time until security camera footage was reviewed in a situation where I beat the holy crap out of someone who kicked their small child in a wal mart.

In this case I totally understand why the guy punched him, and why he even wanted to go punch him twice or kick him : he really could have been a threat. When someone is drunk and aggressive, you really don't know what their intentions might really be. Who knows if he's carrying a weapon or going to pull a knife (or grab one from the table) and stab you. Once someone is in close proximity to you and your loved ones and starts acting in a really threatening manner, I think it's legit to KTFO their dumb ass if they are dumb enough to use racial slurs against you.

I don't think this would have been a case here in Texas. In NY, I understand the namby-pamby gov't nanny wanting to make everything in the world illegal, but I can't imagine a jury convicting him of anything. Particularly when one can't say with any seriousness that it was his intention to knock him to the ground and have him seriously injured (that just happened to be a happy accident!).

I do think the state has a responsibility to discourage violence as an acceptable reaction, but given my above statement I'd say charge him with a felony, then offer him a plea to a misdemeanor with 30 days probation and a $1 fine.

 

[Mani]

I don't like your hurtful words, so I'm justified in "cold cocking" you too?

Justified, maybe not. But if I insult you deeply to your face, I should not be surprised at physical retribution.

 

[Mani]

True, there isn't much disagreement in the sense that everyone seems to agree that the drunk racist was an asshole but the guy who punched him was also in the wrong and should be prosecuted. The difference is in where people's sympathies lie.

Personally I'm sympathetic to the guy who did the punching. A single punch in the heat of the moment given this degree of provocation is understandable to some degree particularly as the level of harm was not intended. I think the guy should be prosecuted because I believe in the rule of law.

However, when someone is a racist and running around drunk spewing bile in public, honestly I have trouble being sympathetic over the harm foreseeably incurred.

Ideally the racist should make a full recovery and the hitter should be convicted and sentenced lightly. However, reality doesn't always conform to ideals.

I'd agree. Have no sympathy whatsoever for the drunk asshole - I wouldn't wish death on someone, but I also wouldn't shed a tear if another person like that ceased to exist in the world.

Independent of that, the guy who assaulted him needs to be held to account for what he did.

 

[Genx87]

I guess the moral of the story is dont scream in somebody's face unless you want to potentially get punched in the face.


That said a single punch can do a shitload of damage. We had an off duty cop in my city get sentenced last week to 4 years in jail for sucker punching somebody at a local establishment. The guy fell, hit his head, went into a coma and had a stroke as well. The guy still has issues from that one punch 3 years ago.