Malak's Scripture of the Day

[SunSamurai]

The ridicule is because u smell

 

[Nik]

My intentions have never been to convert anyone. The ridicule is par for the course for the forum, regardless if I post or not. My post is meant for those that care to hear the word of God, not everyone can get out on Sundays to hear it. Not everyone will. Anyone who does not care is more than capable to ignore me and never see my posts again. I have been mature and attempted to answer any questions, regardless of hostility, to the best of my capabilities. The fact that people are asking the questions, regardless of intention, gives me the ability to educate on things that most people don't understand or have misconceptions about.

You have yet to answer any of my questions, sir. Like, really answer them. Not just fling typical trite that's chock full of holes.

 

[Malak]

That sounds similar to what I believe in and I'm atheist.

People are quick to attack religion even when the person they are attacking believes the same as them. I'm not here representing any religion. I'm not here to tell you to believe in God. I'm here to say God is love. There is a misconception that going to church on Sunday is necessary, or that believing every word of the bible is necessary. And there are assumptions that those misconceptions are held by me, which they are not. I am ridiculed and attacked only because I say God.

 

[thecrecarc]

Malak, I prefer these lines instead:

Do you not see that Allah is He Whom do glorify all those who are in the heavens and the earth, and the birds with expanded wings? He knows the prayer of each one and its glorification, and Allah is Cognizant of what they do. (The Light 24.41)[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]

[/FONT]Learning builds daily accumulation, but the prictice of Tao builds daily simplification. Simplify and simplify, until all contamination from relative, contridictory thinking is eliminated. Then one does nothing, yet nothing is left undone. One who wins the world does so by not meddling with it. One who meddles with the world loses it. (Tao Te Ching)

This is the truth As from a fire aflame thousands of sparks come forth, even so from the Creator an infinity of beings have life and to him return again. (Maitri Upanishads)
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[/FONT]O people of the Bayán! Fear ye the Most Merciful and consider what He hath revealed in another passage. He said: `The Qiblih is indeed He Whom God will make manifest; whenever He moveth, it moveth, until He shall come to rest.' Thus was it set down by the Supreme Ordainer when He desired to make mention of this Most Great Beauty.(Kitáb-i-Aqdas, 137)


They are far superior to the lines and the book from which you quoted.

 

[Nik]

People are quick to attack religion even when the person they are attacking believes the same as them. I'm not here representing any religion. I'm not here to tell you to believe in God. I'm here to say God is love.

Which is why he ordered David to slay an entire nation, right? Because god is love?

There is a misconception that going to church on Sunday is necessary,

That's legalism.

or that believing every word of the bible is necessary.

You can't pick and choose what you believe is true out of the Bible without destroying your own faith.

And there are assumptions that those misconceptions are held by me, which they are not. I am ridiculed and attacked only because I say God.

I like how you're now backtracking. Either you believe the Bible is true and have accepted Christ as your savior and are a Christian and follow the teachings of Christ or you're one of the biggest trolls to ever hit this board.

 

[SunSamurai]

People are quick to attack religion even when the person they are attacking believes the same as them. I'm not here representing any religion. I'm not here to tell you to believe in God. I'm here to say God is love. There is a misconception that going to church on Sunday is necessary, or that believing every word of the bible is necessary. And there are assumptions that those misconceptions are held by me, which they are not. I am ridiculed and attacked only because I say God.

Yer god smells

 

[hans030390]

And the evidence for God keeps dwindling as science enhances our understanding of the Universe.

I think this is the main problem people have. The only thing science does is give us more answers for how the universe (and everything in it) became what it is today (and the inner workings of it, of course). It doesn't answer WHY we're here, and I don't think it ever will. Now, perhaps we have no real purpose. If that's how one thinks about everything, then so be it. I have no problems with that line of thought. I think it's perfectly reasonable, though I don't hold the same views. Is that a problem?

However, no matter how far science goes, you can always slap God behind it. Big bang? No problem. Maybe God did it. Evolution? No problem. Maybe God wanted it that way. You could also answer it without God. No matter how deep science goes, there's no way we'll ever actually know scientifically that there's some higher power behind everything. That all comes down to personal views and how you see the universe. When we had no answers for the universe, God was the only real possibility. Science just shows us that it doesn't HAVE to be that way...but it never says, by any means, that there is no higher power. There either is or there isn't. But, for some reason, people think that science disproves God, where as it really just shows that there's a possibility that he isn't behind everything. It will always be 50/50, though. Either he's there, or he isn't. Science isn't going to change that.

Science can't explain or prove everything...and that's just how it is...unless you slap the word "science" behind everything (ex: Psychology...it's not the type of science that I'm talking about here). As mentioned, science will likely never answer WHY we're here, or similar questions. That stuff you just have to think about on your own and figure out. That's assuming one doesn't consider Philosophy to be a science. Hopefully that makes sense.

That said, I see more atheists calling non-atheists "stupid" than the other way around (especially online). I personally think it wasn't a GOOD idea for Malak to post this here. However, he's not the one going around treating people like they're retarded...at least not seemingly outright. It's funny how a lot of atheists claim you can be "good without God", yet most seem to be on some sort of intellectual high horse. They claim to have reason on their side. When is it reasonable to treat people like a lot of them do?

And vice versa, of course. You have the crazy religious folk treating non-believers like they're disgusting. Neither is right.

 

[Miramonti]

Yes. Blind faith is REALLY dangerous. It takes faith to believe that the sun will rise tomorrow morning, but there's evidence for why I'm putting my faith in yes. Religion is just ... LOL

The big picture? Religion promotes not looking at the big picture. Religion promotes daydreaming and an extremely loose grip on reality.

There have been millions of deaths in wars in the 'name of religion' (1b?)

However that doesn't mean religion is responsible for them. People would find another reason to try and conquer and dominate if they didn't have religion, and there have been far more killings over the history of the world without it as an excuse.

To suggest people as a whole would be 'better people' and kill each other less without any religion is delusional imo. (but that's not to suggest the opposite either.)

 

[Malak]

You can't pick and choose what you believe is true out of the Bible without destroying your own faith.

Ahh, and there is the root of it. What do people have faith in? The bible? Their church? The pope? Their religion? The rules they adhere to?

My faith is in none of that. The bible can be inaccurate. The church can be wrong. The pope is just a man. Your religion offers nothing to me. Rules don't save anyone.

Knowing that some things in the bible are maybe not true, does in no way hinder my faith in love whatsoever.

 

[Glitchny]

well at least these threads are entertaining.

lol religion.

 

[SunSamurai]

Ahh, and there is the root of it. What do people have faith in? The bible? Their church? The pope? Their religion? The rules they adhere to?

My faith is in none of that. The bible can be inaccurate. The church can be wrong. The pope is just a man. Your religion offers nothing to me. Rules don't save anyone.

Knowing that some things in the bible are maybe not true, does in no way hinder my faith in love whatsoever.

YOU can be wrong too, and you obviously smell.

 

[SunSamurai]

There have been millions of deaths in wars in the 'name of religion' (1b?)

However that doesn't mean religion is responsible for them. People would find another reason to try and conquer and dominate if they didn't have religion, and there have been far more killings over the history of the world without it as an excuse.

To suggest people as a whole would be 'better people' and kill each other less without any religion is delusional imo. (but that's not to suggest the opposite either.)

you = average joe that can drive well

Religion = Rickety old truck with the brake about to go out
Science = Tank

They are tools! Its 'dilusional' to NOT think tools have an effect on safety!

Boom!

 

[Nik]

There have been millions of deaths in wars in the 'name of religion' (1b?)

However that doesn't mean religion is responsible for them. People would find another reason to try and conquer and dominate if they didn't have religion, and there have been far more killings over the history of the world without it as an excuse.

To suggest people as a whole would be 'better people' and kill each other less without any religion is delusional imo. (but that's not to suggest the opposite either.)

The Bible itself tells stories of mass murder in the name of God. It's in the freakin book, ordered by God himself.

 

[Nik]

Ahh, and there is the root of it. What do people have faith in? The bible? Their church? The pope? Their religion? The rules they adhere to?

My faith is in none of that. The bible can be inaccurate. The church can be wrong. The pope is just a man. Your religion offers nothing to me. Rules don't save anyone.

Knowing that some things in the bible are maybe not true, does in no way hinder my faith in love whatsoever.

If you concede that the bible is inaccurate, then none of it can be accepted as gospel (LOL see wut I did thar).

You're more than welcome to believe in love and have your hippy-mix of religions all you want, though.

 

[Malak]

The Bible itself tells stories of mass murder in the name of God. It's in the freakin book, ordered by God himself.

Same thing is found in many history books, and in the news today. Do you believe God commanded it?

 

[Nik]

I think this is the main problem people have. The only thing science does is give us more answers for how the universe (and everything in it) became what it is today (and the inner workings of it, of course). It doesn't answer WHY we're here, and I don't think it ever will. Now, perhaps we have no real purpose. If that's how one thinks about everything, then so be it. I have no problems with that line of thought. I think it's perfectly reasonable, though I don't hold the same views. Is that a problem?

However, no matter how far science goes, you can always slap God behind it. Big bang? No problem. Maybe God did it. Evolution? No problem. Maybe God wanted it that way. You could also answer it without God. No matter how deep science goes, there's no way we'll ever actually know scientifically that there's some higher power behind everything. That all comes down to personal views and how you see the universe. When we had no answers for the universe, God was the only real possibility. Science just shows us that it doesn't HAVE to be that way...but it never says, by any means, that there is no higher power. There either is or there isn't. But, for some reason, people think that science disproves God, where as it really just shows that there's a possibility that he isn't behind everything. It will always be 50/50, though. Either he's there, or he isn't. Science isn't going to change that.

Science can't explain or prove everything...and that's just how it is...unless you slap the word "science" behind everything (ex: Psychology...it's not the type of science that I'm talking about here). As mentioned, science will likely never answer WHY we're here, or similar questions. That stuff you just have to think about on your own and figure out. That's assuming one doesn't consider Philosophy to be a science. Hopefully that makes sense.

That said, I see more atheists calling non-atheists "stupid" than the other way around (especially online). I personally think it wasn't a GOOD idea for Malak to post this here. However, he's not the one going around treating people like they're retarded...at least not seemingly outright. It's funny how a lot of atheists claim you can be "good without God", yet most seem to be on some sort of intellectual high horse. They claim to have reason on their side. When is it reasonable to treat people like a lot of them do?

And vice versa, of course. You have the crazy religious folk treating non-believers like they're disgusting. Neither is right.

Science looks at the available evidence and tries to draw a logical conclusion.

Religion has a conclusion in mind and goes in search of evidence to support it, rejecting anything that conflicts with their intended outcome.

 

[Malak]

If you concede that the bible is inaccurate, then none of it can be accepted as gospel

That is untrue. The bible itself states as much.

 

[Nik]

Same thing is found in many history books, and in the news today. Do you believe God commanded it?

So you concede that the bible is just a silly book of fictional stories, then.

 

[Nik]

That is untrue. The bible itself states as much.

You cannot use the Bible to justify itself. It's like using a word in its own definition.

I get the feeling we've been here before.

 

[Malak]

Science looks at the available evidence and tries to draw a logical conclusion.

Religion has a conclusion in mind and goes in search of evidence to support it, rejecting anything that conflicts with their intended outcome.

The only conclusion I offer is that love is the most important thing in our lives. It is the conclusion presented in the Gospel. Evidence is unnecessary, the only thing rejected is hate.

 

[SunSamurai]

That is untrue. The bible itself states as much.

The bible can be inaccurate. The church can be wrong. The pope is just a man. Your religion offers nothing to me. Rules don't save anyone.

Epic fail alert

 

[Miramonti]

The Bible itself tells stories of mass murder in the name of God. It's in the freakin book, ordered by God himself.

Yes, a lot of things are 'told' in the bible by its authors.

You're saying you believe it as truth of what went down and how? Now you're contradicting yourself.

Regardless, I never said people weren't killed in the name of religion, but suggested there wouldn't be any less carnage without having religion to blame for it.

 

[Jeff7]

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That said, I see more atheists calling non-atheists "stupid" than the other way around (especially online). I personally think it wasn't a GOOD idea for Malak to post this here. However, he's not the one going around treating people like they're retarded...at least not seemingly outright. It's funny how a lot of atheists claim you can be "good without God", yet most seem to be on some sort of intellectual high horse. They claim to have reason on their side. When is it reasonable to treat people like a lot of them do?

And vice versa, of course. You have the crazy religious folk treating non-believers like they're disgusting. Neither is right.

The thing of it is, I've mentioned my religion of Elvisology before.

Now, if I were to start a serious thread about the virtues of Elvisology, especially on a more religious forum, I'm sure I'd be laughed out of there.


Truthfully, I see Elvisology as being just as valid as any other major or minor religion.
So it's like hey, you want to believe all that?
Fine. I'll worship Elvis while wearing a Zeus costume and praising Bugs Bunny. And I should get just as much respect for it as a worshipper of a "normal" religion is expected to get.

 

[SunSamurai]

The only conclusion I offer is that love is the most important thing in our lives. It is the conclusion presented in the Gospel. Evidence is unnecessary, the only thing rejected is hate.

Love is just a word. Defined by rules. The emotion defined therein is structured of chemical reactions.

If you reject hate, you cannot define love.


Epic fail alert.

 

[Nik]

The only conclusion I offer is that love is the most important thing in our lives. It is the conclusion presented in the Gospel. Evidence is unnecessary, the only thing rejected is hate.

You could have quoted a passage from doctor phil's book, any self-help book, or any myriad of other books in existence. However, you chose to quote garbage from the Bible knowing full well where you were posting. I guess that makes you a troll.