Make a mistake at a game of Simon Says? You get killed.

[JSt0rm]

They hadn't secured the room, so they didn't want to go near it.

and then they proceed to stand right in front of it while they fumble with the card. They dumb af

 

[Maxima1]

My nephew joined the Milwaukee Police Force a little over a year ago. He had the night shift in the worst part of Milwaukee. He got called out to active service in the Middle East about a month ago and he said he was happy to go. He said he had seen some pretty fucked up shit. The job of a cop is extremely stressful, there is a solid reason for their high suicide rate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americans-living-in-rural-areas-more-likely-to-commit-suicide/

Many occupations are higher. Location seems to matter a lot. Rural folks get all depressed and ***, so they off themselves. Maybe also because they're likely deplorables as well.

Overall, the report showed the following suicide death rates during this time:

• 17.32 per 100,000 people in rural counties
• 14.86 per 100,000 people in medium/small metropolitan counties
• 11.92 per 100,000 people in large metropolitan counties

 

[Genx87]

With trogs like Ichinisan on our juries. It is no wonder cops can do no wrong. Cops are heroes, heroes are never wrong.

 

[JSt0rm]

cops kicking the victim of a car crash who was on fire.

 

[JSt0rm]

so many examples of cops being shitty.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Nothing can be done about this. Ever.

 

[yllus]

I usually kind of deal with these terrible instances by thinking they couldn't happen to me because I'm pretty smart. But there's no way I would have survived this. You or I or Mr. Shaver were as good as dead the moment police officer Philip Brailsford arrived on the scene. You can't put your hands up, then on your head, then thread your fingers together, then hold them back up, and then crawl towards the officer - all while intoxicated - and while being shouted down so you can't even say that you don't understand one or more of the instructions.

Philip Brailsford should be in jail for second-degree murder.

Police training in the United States must be revolutionized. Shotguns in the trunk of the car, no handguns, training focuses explicitly on de-escalation and communication techniques. Vast majority of situations can simply be waited out. Join the twenty-first century of policing techniques.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I usually kind of deal with these terrible instances by thinking they couldn't happen to me because I'm pretty smart. But there's no way I would have survived this. You or I or Mr. Shaver was as good as dead the moment police officer Philip Brailsford arrived on the scene. You can't put your hands up, then on your head, then thread your fingers together, then hold them back up, and then crawl towards the officer - all while intoxicated - and while being shouted down so you can't even say that you don't understand one or more of the instructions.

Philip Brailsford should be in jail for second-degree murder.

Police training in the United States must be revolutionized. Shotguns in the trunk of the car, no handguns, training focuses explicitly on de-escalation and communication techniques. Vast majority of situations can simply be waited out. Join the twenty-first century of policing techniques.

Copper wanted to shoot a guy, and as we all know, coppers gets to shoot guys and it's never ever a problem legally when they do no matter what.

Why? Well it certainly has nothing to do with the expectation that everyone can be carrying a gun... nah, that is not a problem and thus...

Nothing, NOTHING can ever be done about this.

Just ignore it, in a week you will have forgotten all about it and something similar will come along that you will ignore in another week and so it goes, mass shootings every day, cops firing on innocent citizens because they expect them to be carrying...

Nah, nothing can be done about this, absolutely nothing.

Friend of mine wanted me to travel down to Michigan over New years but I'd rather not, I'd rather stay in Canada over New Years, partying and having fun without the risk of a random idiot being armed and accidentally snagging his glove on the trigger or a cop showing up and shooting me in the face when i reach into my jacket to pull out my wallet.

I wouldn't want to go to Kongo, Afghanistan or Iraq either, for the exact same reason.

 

[Darwin333]

He told him to keep his hands in the air. Then he told him to crawl. Oops. Not perfect. LYNCH THE COP for flubbing the instructions!!!!!!

He didn't shoot him for putting his hands down to crawl. He shot him when the hands inexplicably went toward the waist (a little bit after he had started crawling).

But the civilian who is so scared shitless that he is literally sobbing and begging not to be shot DOES get lynched for flubbing the instructions... Got ya.

 

[JSt0rm]

But the civilian who is so scared shitless that he is literally sobbing and begging not to be shot DOES get lynched for flubbing the instructions... Got ya.

@Ichinisan thinks this human was worthless anyhow. Good riddance to all civilians who die at the hands of a good police officer. They were too stupid to survive the encounter.

 

[Darwin333]

You don't get it. The guy had been inexplicably non compliant at the start. The police yelled through the megaphone for quite some time for the occupants of room 502 to acknowledge their presence and they did not. He said he wanted the female occupant to slowly walk out with hands visible...no response. After repeating all that for quite a while, the 2 occupants come strolling around the corner pretending they didn't hear anything at all from the hallway. He lied about his intoxication and the cop could only interpret certain behaviors as non-compliance.

That is factually incorrect. First there was no megaphone, it is almost certain that the occupants simply did not hear the officer yelling from down the hallway or if they did that they simply couldn't understand what he was saying so had no reason to think it had anything to do with them. I know damn sure that if I hear yelling while I'm at a hotel and I can't make out what is being said that I don't think it has shit to do with me and I am not going to investigate. Lastly they didn't just come "strolling out", from someone that watched the video multiple times as you said in a previous post I would assume that you saw the part were they sent an officer down to the front desk to call him, then you could not only hear the phone ringing in the hallway but the officers commenting on hearing it. Shortly after the phone stopped ringing the occupants came "strolling" out and as soon as their brains were able to process "oh shit, guns pointed at me" they got on the ground into positions that both could have very easily been cuffed from. Ending the entire situation.

 

[JSt0rm]

That is factually incorrect. First there was no megaphone, it is almost certain that the occupants simply did not hear the officer yelling from down the hallway or if they did that they simply couldn't understand what he was saying so had no reason to think it had anything to do with them. I know damn sure that if I hear yelling while I'm at a hotel and I can't make out what is being said that I don't think it has shit to do with me and I am not going to investigate. Lastly they didn't just come "strolling out", from someone that watched the video multiple times as you said in a previous post I would assume that you saw the part where they sent an officer down to the front desk to call him, then you could not only hear the phone ringing in the hallway but the officers commenting on hearing it. Shortly after the phone stopped ringing the occupants came "strolling" out and as soon as their brains were able to process "oh shit, guns pointed at me" they got on the ground into positions that both could have very easily been cuffed from. Ending the entire situation.

naw. Now is the time for the live or die iq test.

 

[Darwin333]

He made it extremely clear that he was serious about the hands going toward the waistband. You know what? They still went to the waistband. "Oh he talked too strongly." Apparently not strongly enough.

Cop never mentioned anything about his waistband. He said a lot of things about his hands but not a goddamn thing about his waistband. Just like the first time he put his hands behind his back after rising to his knees, he wasn't told what to do with his hands so he wasn't disobeying commands he was assuming the "get handcuffed" position without being given a command to do so. As a Monday morning quarterback we can all say that was dumb but you are talking about a guy who is in the most stressful situation of his entire life. Guess what, when you purposely stress people the fuck out they fuck up. Continually threating to kill someone is not a very good way to get them to perform a rather complicated set of instructions, might work for "put XYZ down" but not for all the "get down, lay down, palms down raise yourself up, keep your arms UP, keep your legs crossed, SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING ONLY I TALK YOU LISTEN, crawl towards me".

Certainly any sober person would have understood the situation and responded appropriately. That's why it was important to correctly understand whether he was intoxicated or not.

That is complete bullshit. Personally if I was in that situation after getting to my knees and hearing that officer threaten to kill me multiple times I would have put my hands palm down on the floor, slid my hands forward as I laid back down and I wouldn't have moved a goddamn muscle. They could yell all they wanted to but I wouldn't give them any excuse to shoot me because that guy flat out sounded out of control and following all of those crazy commands is just a fuckup waiting to happen. Eventually they would have got tired of yelling and walked over, cuffed me and taken me into custody without me getting any new holes put in me.

You also seem to ignore the initial non-compliance. They spoke loud and clear into the megaphone. The occupants did not acknowledge their presence and did not emerge in the way they were instructed. They came strolling down the hallway together!

Immediately after the officer called them on the phone. Since they answered the phone one must assume they were not being intentionally non-compliant but simply didn't hear or think they were the ones being yelled at. Why would they? Do you know what the officer on the phone instructed them to do? I assume it was "exit the room, female first" and they did exactly that. Even through the yelling, which was NOT over a megaphone, they didn't give them any sort of time frame, didn't tell them to come out with their hands up, didn't tell them to come out and get on the ground. So other than "strolling out" what exactly do you expect people who have no clue why police are fucking with them to do?

Yeah. I guess they should be more gentle and less assertive after these two had already demonstrated unwillingness to comply.

Yeah, maybe try to de-escalate the situation but I guess an innocent civilian getting killed in a hotel hallway which put other innocent people staying at said hotel at severe risk of injury or death is a perfectly suitable outcome to you.

They would get sued for negligence when officers die because they don't approach this encounter with the necessary precautions. Training them to approach the doorway to apprehend them would be a huge mistake.

There were 6 officers on the scene, two with long guns, and the officer that went out to cuff the woman was just as exposed to the door as an officer would have been going to cuff the guy. Instead they had him crawl over the womans purse which potentially could have been concealing a weapon and literally within hands grasp. He wouldn't even need to remove the gun from the purse, just shoot them through it. Yeah, that is a much better tactic instead of simply cuffing him while he is voluntarily in a position in which he can't harm anyone and having 3 of the 6 other officers covering the door.

Even after shooting him, they still had to cover/cuff/apprehend the guy in the middle of the hallway while approaching the door! Then they fumbled with the keycard so much that if a murderous badguy was inside he could have shot the shit out of the two officers through the door. So please, try again with the excuses.

 

[Darwin333]

OK. What's the point of even asking then? If he had told the truth, the officer would have proceeded differently. He would have expected diminished coordination / concentration / comprehension. Instead of making assumptions, he asked. Lying means he's partially responsible for setting incorrect expectations.

Wait, so if the guy said he was drunk the cop would have either A. not shot him when he reached to pull up his shorts that were falling down or B. did what you considered negligent and went and cuffed him at the end of the hall?

 

[J.Wilkins]

Wait, so if the guy said he was drunk the cop would have either A. not shot him when he reached to pull up his shorts that were falling down or B. did what you considered negligent and went and cuffed him at the end of the hall?

He doesn't care, he's looking for an out for the copper to be doing the right thing.

That is all that matters to that fucking clown.

 

[OutHouse]

Read cop-only forums. Every person ever shot by a cop IS a piece of shit. Or degenerate. Or a perp. Those are the words they like to use.

i have many cop friends (former military buds) from federal down to local levels. nearly of all of them have a us vs them mentality. they were not that callous when we were in the military and its quite sad to see how disconnected they have become over the years. very black and white thinking on this case they refuse to call out the cop doing the shooting. the response was the scumbag should have followed instructions and he would be alive.

 

[Darwin333]

Sure. Nice generalization. A person that is charged to routinely put himself or herself in dangerous situations to protect the public, or a random citizen? I know LOTS of worthless shitheads. I don't know any cops, but I can tell you a lot of people are of no value whatsoever. To generalize and say the life of any random citizen is more important than the few who use their lives to protect all citizens...wow. That would discourage anyone from bothering to serve the public or put themselves in harm's way.

My roofers put themselves in far greater danger, have a far greater chance of being injured and have a vastly greater chance of dying on the job than police and they do it just to put a roof over your head. Despite this they seem to be able to get the job done without putting the public at huge risk of getting injured to slightly increase their chance of not getting injured and they somehow manage to do their job without killing innocent people on a regular basis. And yes, when you give an oath to protect other people their life is supposed to be more important.

I estimate and manage large roofing and solar projects and sometimes I get a job with a considerably steep roof. Now I require all of my guys to wear harnesses and be tied off but the funny thing about that is you have to get someone to ridge (top peak) of the roof to install an attachment point before anyone can actually tie off. You know who I send up there to install that initial tie off? Myself because I "feel" that the lives of my crew are my responsibility yet I have taken no oath, I have promised nothing and I have the power to send anyone of them up there to do it instead. I do have a harness on but the rope is only held by whatever crew I have onsite and from whatever position they can be in, I won't bore you with the forces involved or the geometry but let's just say it's one of those "probably fucked but might as well" measures. If I can personally do that in a job that is significantly more dangerous than being LEO then I think cops can wait a bit longer to ensure it's actually necessary before killing the people they swore an oath to protect.

In this situation there were at least 4 guns trained on the guy who, and I can't state this enough, was on his hands and knees sobbing for his life. If the guy brought out a cellphone or some shit I would agree with the cop but give me a fucking break, they had two long guns and at least two pistols trained on him with fingers on the trigger. They could at least wait for a flash of an item in his hand or something to make them think they were in danger before putting 5 rounds in him from an AR-15. Not only did they kill an innocent man but they put everyone on that side of the floor below him in danger to the point that they assigned not one but two officers to go and bang on every occupied door until they woke up, gave their names, and said they were OK. I can even get you a list of the names on the 4th floor because they are all in the police report because the cops were making sure they didn't accidentally kill them while intentionally killing an innocent man!

 

[Darwin333]

@Ichinisan thinks this human was worthless anyhow. Good riddance to all civilians who die at the hands of a good police officer. They were too stupid to survive the encounter.

FFS this guy wasn't even stupid! I saw a guy trying his ass off to comply. Yeah he was drunk and he lied, his drunk mind probably told him in the split second he had to respond (remember how much cops love talking about that split second) that was the safest answer for him when asked if he could comply with the very aggressive cops demands. I'd probably lie too if asked a question like that if the cop had told me if I didn't comply with his demands that he was going to kill me. WTF is the right answer, no I can't comply so you are going to kill me now or yes I can and hopefully I do and don't get dead? Maybe I say I'm just a little drunk, or kinda drunk how will that angry asshole take that? Shit I've thought to long and now he is screaming at me again and telling me how he is going to kill me. Fuck, I was just getting buzzed in my hotel room and didn't do anything wrong why are they screaming at me and pointing a shitload of guns at me? Am I supposed to keep my hands up or crawl, I can't do both and if I mess up he is going to shoot me but he told me to not talk so I can't ask him to clarify, what do I do?

I can't even begin to imagine what was going through that poor guys head except that he seemed to know that he was getting shot.

 

[JSt0rm]

and you know now what to do in that situation. i.e. dont always do what the cops tell you. This guy didnt have our luxury.

 

[OutHouse]

 

[Genx87]

i have many cop friends (former military buds) from federal down to local levels. nearly of all of them have a us vs them mentality. they were not that callous when we were in the military and its quite sad to see how disconnected they have become over the years. very black and white thinking on this case they refuse to call out the cop doing the shooting. the response was the scumbag should have followed instructions and he would be alive.

Have your cops friends brought up how dangerous it is being a cop now a days? Even though we are at all time lows for cop fatalities and being a cop doesnt even make the top 10 more dangerous profession??

I know a few cops as well and they also have this us vs them mentality. They also have this civilians are ungrateful attitude when we talk about bad cops violating our rights. I dont understand why supposedly good cops rally around shit cops and then wonder why the entire occupation gets a bad wrap.

I got into it with a couple swat team guys from Chicago once and they said "You will think differently when we have to come to your house and save you". To which I responded "If you have to come to my house that means I am in a hostage situation and you are late. Or you are coming to the wrong house on a drug bust and will shoot me and my dog and hide behind making a mistake to avoid consequences." Crickets on their response.

 

[Ichinisan]

With trogs like Ichinisan on our juries. It is no wonder cops can do no wrong. Cops are heroes, heroes are never wrong.

Based on that web site describing it as an "execution," I started watching the video expecting that the guy would be 100% compliant. As I skipped through, it appears that the cops could not get acknowledgment from the occupants of room 502 after several minutes of speaking through the megaphone.

I expected the man and woman to emerge in the way they were instructed to, but they did not.

I expected that he guy would answer the cop's questions honestly, but he did not.

I expected that the cop would fail to emphasize the seriousness of the situation and keeping hands away from the waist. He did not.

I expected that the guy would not put his hands anywhere near his waist, but he did.

Based on the way this was presented to me, everything in the video contradicted my expectations.

 

[Ichinisan]

cops kicking the victim of a car crash who was on fire.

YEAH! KILL ALL COPS! LET'S MAKE THIS INTO A HATE THREAD!!!!

Raaaaaaage!

I'll watch the video now.

[edit]
Nice description! You should have said they rammed a broom handle up his ass too. We can safely assume all cops have done that at some point.

1. He had already removed the burning article of clothing.

2. Though we can't hear what the cops are saying from the camera's position, you can bet they're telling him to lay down with his hands on the ground. They use force to get him into that position. He was kneeling on all fours, so they use their feet to kick his hands out and make him lay down. Then they immediately remove him from the dangerous proximity to the burning vehicle.

I'm also going to guess he endangered a lot of people in the moments leading up to this fiery crash.

If these circumstances are incorrect, then the cops were in the wrong. The video tells me nothing useful.

 

[Genx87]

Based on that web site describing it as an "execution," I started watching the video expecting that the guy would be 100% compliant. As I skipped through, it appears that the cops could not get acknowledgment from the occupants of room 502 after several minutes of speaking through the megaphone.

I expected the man and woman to emerge in the way they were instructed to, but they did not.

I expected that he guy would answer the cop's questions honestly, but he did not.

I expected that the cop would fail to emphasize the seriousness of the situation and keeping hands away from the waist. He did not.

I expected that the guy would not put his hands anywhere near his waist, but he did.

Based on the way this was presented to me, everything in the video contradicted my expectations.

And there we have it folks. Don't follow the orders to a T, get shot and killed while not being a threat and begging for your life? You killers gets excused by Trog nation.

 

[Ichinisan]

Have your cops friends brought up how dangerous it is being a cop now a days? Even though we are at all time lows for cop fatalities and being a cop doesnt even make the top 10 more dangerous profession??

I know a few cops as well and they also have this us vs them mentality. They also have this civilians are ungrateful attitude when we talk about bad cops violating our rights. I dont understand why supposedly good cops rally around shit cops and then wonder why the entire occupation gets a bad wrap.

I got into it with a couple swat team guys from Chicago once and they said "You will think differently when we have to come to your house and save you". To which I responded "If you have to come to my house that means I am in a hostage situation and you are late. Or you are coming to the wrong house on a drug bust and will shoot me and my dog and hide behind making a mistake to avoid consequences." Crickets on their response.

Sounds like you're the one with the "us versus them" mentality. If you approach every situation like that, you're setting the attitude.