Make a mistake at a game of Simon Says? You get killed.

[FIVR]

This will all be solved when we finally have AI-controlled drones with hellfire missiles. The drones will have cloud-based facial recognition target acquisition software and a massive database of constantly accreting public and private information about every human on earth. They will know where you are at all times and judgment will be passed by a centralized government authority to be executed by these drones, which will target offenders for elimination when they are more than 30 meters from any other person, minimizing collateral damage.


The glorious and technologically transformative end to human tyranny approaches. I can't wait.

 

[J.Wilkins]

It's the American Way

I'm not so sure that it is, I think it is more like a very modern idiom of what it means to be American. The idea of adjustin laws to actual situations did exist once upon a time and aboslutes were frowned upon then.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yup, cowards trained not to move into an uncleared area where a threat could very well still exist and instead require the suspect to move under control to them where they can cuff him in safety. And you left out the frames where the suspect reached behind his back twice after being told not to or he would be shot.

Why the fuck am I arguing with a meme anyway.

if thats the case then why did they all bumble their way to the hotel door and stood in front of it while fumbling with the keycard?

 

[J.Wilkins]

if thats the case then why did they all bumble their way to the hotel door and stood in front of it while fumbling with the keycard?

Why are you arguing with a man arguing with a meme? What possible good can come out of arguing with someone who isn't actually cereal?

 

[KMFJD]

I'm not so sure that it is, I think it is more like a very modern idiom of what it means to be American. The idea of adjustin laws to actual situations did exist once upon a time and aboslutes were frowned upon then.

I'm not sure how they are going to change it but it's getting worse and not better

 

[yllus]

For this to be true we would have to assume all authority is unjust and all dissent is righteous and just. Many people dissent for selfish or flat-out wrong reasons and we can't condone that under the guise of patriotism.

What a silly interpretation. What about the statement infers that all authority is unjust?

 

[kage69]

I'm so mad over this one I can't even articulate it with words...

I can't believe what I just watched.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I'm not sure how they are going to change it but it's getting worse and not better

That seems to be the key with everything except Brexit... We've got a little light in the tunnel on that one much to the Russians/Farages/Trumps dismay...

Basically, NI needs to be out of Brexit to be part of Ireland, the extrmist separatists that May the kent has gotten involved in cannot allow that, Glasgow is saying that if you do that then we want it too...

At the same time, our blossoming market can be ignored by the EU and they can do their deals within the TPP now that they are forced to dump prices because of the US wanting to only have Russian products in the US.

In the end, we are either going to have another vote or go second world but if we elect to do the second we WILL hold our politicians to go there first, we do have laws to demand this.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I can't believe some people are defending this. Not just here, but even on other forums.

As a fun test, play the video out loud, get on the ground, and try to follow every instruction. Have someone else watch and call out if you make a slight mistake. You're dead.

Now imagine this, but in a very stressful situation when you assume you have at least one gun pointed towards you and you are confused as to why you're even in that situation. You might even be tired after a long night out, perhaps a bit buzzed if you were drinking. Keep in mind that this is not a traffic stop so if he was drinking he had every legal right to.

If the cop actually felt he was a threat he could have easily rushed him to put cuffs and pat him down after telling him to get on the ground. But no he had to make him do the hokey pokey until he makes a mistake. Then he can check the box "failed to follow instructions" on the "why did you shoot" paperwork, and legally he's in the right. It's BS. He was thirsty for blood, it's that simple.

Also it was another cop yelling the instructions, he should be hanged too. Every cop involved here should be hanged. But that's never going to happen because there is zero accountability. TBH I'm surprised he was even fired as usually they just get sent home till it blows over. So at least there's that. He'll have a hell of a time trying to find a job after what he did. May he rot on the streets and eventually get beat to near death by someone seeking justice.

 

[Genx87]

I'm not so sure that it is, I think it is more like a very modern idiom of what it means to be American. The idea of adjustin laws to actual situations did exist once upon a time and aboslutes were frowned upon then.

It is the Murrican way. German police discharge their weapons like 60 times for the entire country in a single year. US cops? They kill roughly 1100 people and injure thousands more. If we disarmed US cops it would reduce our gun violence deaths by 1/6th

 

[Genx87]

I can't believe some people are defending this. Not just here, but even on other forums.

As a fun test, play the video out loud, get on the ground, and try to follow every instruction. Have someone else watch and call out if you make a slight mistake. You're dead.

Now imagine this, but in a very stressful situation when you assume you have at least one gun pointed towards you and you are confused as to why you're even in that situation. You might even be tired after a long night out, perhaps a bit buzzed if you were drinking. Keep in mind that this is not a traffic stop so if he was drinking he had every legal right to.

If the cop actually felt he was a threat he could have easily rushed him to put cuffs and pat him down after telling him to get on the ground. But no he had to make him do the hokey pokey until he makes a mistake. Then he can check the box "failed to follow instructions" on the "why did you shoot" paperwork, and legally he's in the right. It's BS. He was thirsty for blood, it's that simple.

Also it was another cop yelling the instructions, he should be hanged too. Every cop involved here should be hanged. But that's never going to happen because there is zero accountability. TBH I'm surprised he was even fired as usually they just get sent home till it blows over. So at least there's that. He'll have a hell of a time trying to find a job after what he did. May he rot on the streets and eventually get beat to near death by someone seeking justice.

Im curious if he was fired or resigned. If he resigned this won't be on his record and can go find another cop job shooting innocent civilians. Like that asshole cop in Cleveland who opened fire on a 12 year old in a park from his car.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I read somewhere he was fired, though some articles just say he's no longer a cop. So yeah I don't think it's 100% that he got fired. Maybe he did resign knowing that his life would be in danger now given the nature of the job (being out in public all the time). Either way I think it's a matter of time till he gets picked off somewhere. The justice system failed, someone will feel the need to serve justice themselves.

 

[J.Wilkins]

It is the Murrican way. German police discharge their weapons like 60 times for the entire country in a single year. US cops? They kill roughly 1100 people and injure thousands more. If we disarmed US cops it would reduce our gun violence deaths by 1/6th

German cops are trigger happy in comparison with every other EU nation and the UK... Perhaps not the best comparison.

To be quite honest and forthcoming, almost all of the US cases would be murder charges in any other first world nation, you literally have to be shot at or have a gun pointed at you to exchange gunfire in any other first world nation to get away with killing a suspect.

The main reason why this is so different are gun laws though, and everyone knows that.

Thus we are back to "nothing can ever be done about this".

 

[Darwin333]

I read somewhere he was fired, though some articles just say he's no longer a cop. So yeah I don't think it's 100% that he got fired. Maybe he did resign knowing that his life would be in danger now given the nature of the job (being out in public all the time). Either way I think it's a matter of time till he gets picked off somewhere. The justice system failed, someone will feel the need to serve justice themselves.

Most of the time cops are given the option to resign before they are fired. Because of the union bullshit it is actually a lot easier on the police department, they can't sue for their jobs back plus a few years of backpay if they resign and for them they don't get a spotty record. So win/win for everyone except the public.

 

[KMFJD]

It is the Murrican way. German police discharge their weapons like 60 times for the entire country in a single year. US cops? They kill roughly 1100 people and injure thousands more. If we disarmed US cops it would reduce our gun violence deaths by 1/6th

The less guns the better but your comparing apples to oranges here...

 

[mizzou]

a case like this should go to the supreme court. the officer created the circumstances and contributed to the use of lethal force.

He reached for his waist band? Given circumstances in other incidents I could see that, but how the heck do you feel the threat here..

The video clearly shows the shooting was not justified. I am in a rare circumstance sharing the frustration here.

 

[Darwin333]

Amazing how @Ichinisan has nothing more to say...

 

[OutHouse]

Yup, cowards trained not to move into an uncleared area where a threat could very well still exist and instead require the suspect to move under control to them where they can cuff him in safety. And you left out the frames where the suspect reached behind his back twice after being told not to or he would be shot.

Why the fuck am I arguing with a meme anyway.

no they gave way to many instructions over a unnecessary length of time to a man who was scared shitless and got confused. they set him up to fail.

 

[yllus]

no they gave way to many instructions over a unnecessary length of time to a man who was scared shitless and got confused. they set him up to fail.

Correct. They are the sober professionals; he was an intoxicated civilian on his knees before he was murdered. It is insane to put this on the unsuspecting man who was just having drinks in his hotel room before men with guns showed up.

 

[Red Squirrel]

This is sooo terrible, but just to add a bit of dark humour...

I know, too soon.

 

[Paladin3]

no they gave way to many instructions over a unnecessary length of time to a man who was scared shitless and got confused. they set him up to fail.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said in my post. But if what they did was within department training then it's what he was trained to do. And the guy did reach behind him and his elbow came up as his hand came forward. The exact motion of someone pulling a weapon. He was told he would be shot if he did that and he did it twice. That cop was trained to shoot under those circumstances so the jury found it was a justifiable shooting because the cop reasonably believed his life was in danger.

You seem to be ignoring what actually happened and concentrating only the portions of the events that support what you want to believe. We can debate how the commands were issued, and I agree with you it did nothing to calm or deescalate the situation, but the reaching motions behind his back are what got that poor guy shot.

Someone said if the cops hadn't ordered the guy to crawl to them and walked up to cuff him while he was on the floor that his kids would still have a father. How about if the guy hadn't been drunk and playing with a BB gun at the window of his 5th floor hotel room? Folks in a hot tub below saw him point it out the window towards a highway. We are quick to jump on a cop for following bad training (IMHO) and call him a murder, but we give the idiot who cause the situation a pass on the stupid actions that got him killed.

 

[JSt0rm]

How about if the guy hadn't been drunk and playing with a BB gun at the window of his 5th floor hotel room? Folks in a hot tub below saw him point it out the window towards a highway. We are quick to jump on a cop for following bad training (IMHO) and call him a murder, but we give the idiot who cause the situation a pass on the stupid actions that got him killed.

good old victim blaming. Waving a gun out your window is perfectly legal in Arizona.

 

[Red Squirrel]

good old victim blaming. Waving a gun out your window is perfectly legal in Arizona.

You also can't just take a few witness accounts from such a distance to come to the conclusion that someone deserves an execution. I think what probably actually did happen is they were playing with the gun INSIDE the room (most hotels don't even have windows that can open) but from the angle of whoever saw it it may have looked like they were pointing at people. It could very well be they were pointing at the window from inside, but they were probably looking at the scope to see how it works etc. They were not actually intending on shooting. I don't even think a BB gun would be able to go through glass and still have enough velocity to be lethal, can it? Intent is important here. Instead of executing him they could have actually went to his room first (they did not even know what kind of gun he had before they shot him) and then have him explain what he was doing. Maybe give him a ticket for improper use of weapon or something like that, if that's even a thing. But it definitely did not deserve a straight up execution.

Sadly, if you do go by "the book" all procedures probably were followed... but maybe that is the root of the problem right there, the procedures need to be changed to deal better with cases like this.

Cops like to act like they are military, except they have none of the training, and non of the honour.

 

[Darwin333]

You also can't just take a few witness accounts from such a distance to come to the conclusion that someone deserves an execution. I think what probably actually did happen is they were playing with the gun INSIDE the room (most hotels don't even have windows that can open) but from the angle of whoever saw it it may have looked like they were pointing at people. It could very well be they were pointing at the window from inside, but they were probably looking at the scope to see how it works etc. They were not actually intending on shooting. I don't even think a BB gun would be able to go through glass and still have enough velocity to be lethal, can it? Intent is important here. Instead of executing him they could have actually went to his room first (they did not even know what kind of gun he had before they shot him) and then have him explain what he was doing. Maybe give him a ticket for improper use of weapon or something like that, if that's even a thing. But it definitely did not deserve a straight up execution.

Sadly, if you do go by "the book" all procedures probably were followed... but maybe that is the root of the problem right there, the procedures need to be changed to deal better with cases like this.

Cops like to act like they are military, except they have none of the training, and non of the honour.

In the statements taken from the male and female who went to his room with him the male asked about the case that held his pellet gun so Daniel showed it to him. The male asked how the scope worked so Daniel was demonstrating how it worked and they were looking through it adjusting the knobs. At no time was there any intention or discussion of actually shooting it, they were just playing with the scope.

 

[Red Squirrel]

In the statements taken from the male and female who went to his room with him the male asked about the case that held his pellet gun so Daniel showed it to him. The male asked how the scope worked so Daniel was demonstrating how it worked and they were looking through it adjusting the knobs. At no time was there any intention or discussion of actually shooting it, they were just playing with the scope.

Yep that's the gist I got from it too.

I would be curious if it was even loaded at the time. Not that it would matter that much, but if it was not loaded it would reinforce this.

Of course pointing a gun around may be slightly irresponsible regardless but it does not deserve death penalty.