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Leeea

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You know what it is to be stripped of all conditioning so as to have all that is left that which is truly human, the part purported th be by some, the image of God. Perhaps you just suffer from ego arrogance and attachment to unexamined absurd sacred cows.
there is no image of God to be found within ourselves when conditioning is removed.


The social conditioning, language, education, logic, that is what makes us human. That is what allows us to choose humanity. It is a choice.


The social conditioning allows us to attain some image of goodness. Remove that, and all you have is a monster.
 
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Moonbeam

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Doh. Theory on his motive. He recently broke up and he targeted places that they used to have dates at
Nothing says worthless to a pretentious male ego than the loss of ego affirmation supplied by a woman who wants the same from a male whose self respect is too low to deliver. It is always my first suspicion in mass killings, the second being exposure to excessive bullying, socially and on line.


Self haters require external affirmation to bolster their fragile egos.
 

Leeea

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Self haters require external affirmation to bolster their fragile egos.
Hey!

I can hate myself all day long without external affirmation to bolster my fragile ego!

and I am never going to harm anyone.
 

Moonbeam

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there is no image of God to be found within ourselves when conditioning is removed.


The social conditioning, language, education, logic, that is what makes us human. That is what allows us to choose humanity. It is a choice.


The social conditioning allows us to attain some image of goodness. Remove that, and all you have is a monster.
Well, since you seem to know what if not true, I would have to conclude you have never experience the death of everything you hold sacred and thus would not know.
 

Moonbeam

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Hey!

I can hate myself all day long without external affirmation to bolster my fragile ego!

and I am never going to harm anyone.
You hate yourself all day long and will not harm anybody as long as you those feelings are triggered for some reason(s) into conscious awareness.
 

Moonbeam

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Thinking that you have a mainline to a truth that a lot of people think makes you dangerous is a bit of a red flag in mental health issues I'm afraid to say!
Anybody who knows anything is well aware of this. Fortunately, 9 out of ten Dentists are with me on Crest.

The enlightened that I see in the world are all weirdos. They seem to suggest there is a realization that alters conscious awareness. Hard to run into people like that when one is blind to the possibility they exist. Remember the ego likes only certainty, not ideas that disturb one sleep.

Long ago I read a book called Wisdom of the Idiots. In that bool or some related one it was suggested the Wise Men, the ones of this world, are fool. I saw that at age 7 thanks to a sci-fi film.
 

Leeea

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Well, since you seem to know what if not true, I would have to conclude you have never experience the death of everything you hold sacred and thus would not know.
hmm, death of everything I hold sacred?


Well, I have experienced reality and me going our separate ways, and discovered once the constraints of reality are removed the only thing that lies in oneself is hell itself. No image of god to be found at all. In that situation the scope of ones life is reduced to terror. Then the mind burns out and one crashes into sleep from fatigue.

The upside is I only had to deal with that for about a week and a half and then I was given a medication that would give me about 40 minutes of inner peace and then knock me unconscious for about 6 hours. It was very welcome. Better solutions have been implemented since then.
 

Jaskalas

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Testing people for mental illness or mental capability to own a firearm is not collective punishment.
"A cancer that must be removed"
Is the primary idea I responded to. How much it echos Republican sentiments on Muslims.

Where as, in this particular case, the shooter does not appear to fit the profile of rabid political ideologue so neatly as some had hoped for. Crazy be crazy, and I don't care who they claim to belong to after that. It is our 2A and lax gun laws that drive the mentally ill to have access to a swift and effective trigger happy fun zone. I presume you and I agree, that they should not have that access to firearms even to the point of infringing on everyone's 2A.
 

Moonbeam

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hmm, death of everything I hold sacred?


Well, I have experienced reality and me going our separate ways, and discovered once the constraints of reality are removed the only thing that lies in oneself is hell itself. No image of god to be found at all. In that situation the scope of ones life is reduced to terror. Then the mind burns out and one crashes into sleep from fatigue.

The upside is I only had to deal with that for about a week and a half and then I was given a medication that would give me about 40 minutes of inner peace and then knock me unconscious for about 6 hours. It was very welcome. Better solutions have been implemented since then.
Sorry about that. I gave up completely and fell into that hell permanently with the attitude there could never be any escape. There could never again be any hope or meaning. Then, because I had become aware through reading that the Zen folk saw the same thing from a blissful mental state I had a sudden realization. I suffered because I believed truth and the need for meaning is a prison created by thought, that the need for meaning is as meaningless as anything else and I realized this because a blast of wind shifted my awareness from deep deep introspection to simple laying on my bed with the only reality in the world being my presence on the bed. There is no hell. There is only the monkey joy of being here now. Have a banana.
 

Moonbeam

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The point is that your the one putting yourself forward as a portrayer of truth. Youre the one that's certain in your truth and the one that's proselytizing! (Is that a word?)
Yes. What do you do when you have a bowl of full of more fruit than you can eat.

Trust me. I have not eliminated all of the self hate that lies suppressed within me. I know some, not everything. I am blind to much I am sure. I strive to be honest and sincere and not prefer hiding what
I think I know for social acceptance.
 

APU_Fusion

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The point is that your the one putting yourself forward as a portrayer of truth. Youre the one that's certain in your truth and the one that's proselytizing! (Is that a word?)
Moonbeam is a willfully ignorant, condescending, pseudo-intellectual who thinks his spewing of nonsense is somehow morally and intellectually superior to us lowly sapiens. He is pathetic.
 

WelshBloke

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I know some, not everything. I am blind to much I am sure.
But the things you know to be true are TRUTHS! And if anyone disagrees with those TRUTHS you feel that they are incorrect and need to be educated.

Theres a difference between opinions and truths. I'm as guilty as anyone over arguing about opinions but I recognise that opinions are diffent to truths.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I guess we need to just redo Human evolution for your plan.

People get over shit pretty quickly, without resorting to murder. You are basically arguing for The Purge

"We can't possibly eliminate the tools of murder, we should just eliminate all the possible motivations for murder. Because if we don't eliminate the motivations and don't allow people to murder over them, the would be murder would be upset about not being able to murder the other person for the rest of their lives."
No, I'm saying there's a fucking sickness in humans that everyone else seems pretty cool with existing, they just have complaints with how many people that they don't know die when a sick person snaps. And for some reason, everyone looks at me like I've got six goddamned heads when I suggest we look at the source which as far as I can tell is no more difficult to deal with than the firearm part. Hell, Republicans are already giving that one an out! They've been talking about mental health issues as a diversion for more guns for decades! Lean into it, something might actually happen!
 

[DHT]Osiris

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we are not out of ideas.

Lets just ban all civilian ownership of firearms.

Problem solved.



Or, go for the middle of the road approach. Do like Australia. Ban all civilian ownership of any repeating firearm. Single shot only. Long barrel only. Safe storage required. License required for every firearm. License must be renewed every 3 to 5 years.
Cool. Push it, get a majority in Congress and the executive, push the law, and hope the river of appeals passes the SC. I'll be here in 30y ready to ask how it went.
 
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APU_Fusion

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Cool. Push it, get a majority in Congress and the executive, push the law, and hope the river of appeals passes the SC. I'll be here in 30y ready to ask how it went.
It will never happen lol. And how many hundreds of millions of guns are already in wild? We Americans seem to love and worship violence and tremble in fear at a pair of naked breasts. It is so bizarre.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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It will never happen lol. And how many hundreds of millions of guns are already in wild? We Americans seem to love and worship violence and tremble in fear at a pair of naked breasts. It is so bizarre.
Sure fucking do. So rather than fumblefuck around with Republicans for the next quarter century like was done for the previous, perhaps we should try something new.

If the Republican platform truly becomes anti mental health, maybe they'll finally implode.
 

HomerJS

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"A cancer that must be removed"
Is the primary idea I responded to. How much it echos Republican sentiments on Muslims.

Where as, in this particular case, the shooter does not appear to fit the profile of rabid political ideologue so neatly as some had hoped for. Crazy be crazy, and I don't care who they claim to belong to after that. It is our 2A and lax gun laws that drive the mentally ill to have access to a swift and effective trigger happy fun zone. I presume you and I agree, that they should not have that access to firearms even to the point of infringing on everyone's 2A.
This is included in the general pile of people who are not mentally mature enough to own guns having them, whether they be mentally ill, domestic terrorists or people with anger issues.
 
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