Maine Shooting dozens dead or injured.

[fskimospy]

There is anecdotal and empirical evidence. There is also experiential evidence that can be known only by those who taste. It is useless for me to tell you what you haven’t the shoulders to cary or to even convince you that such knowledge exists. As I have said, the truth is what you carry away from a ship wreck. I experienced one, everything about your appeals to logic suggest you have not. That doesn’t mean evolved beyond most thinkers in my opinion. Logic is valuable.

'Anecdotal evidence is of no relevance to me'

'My experiences are evidence'

That's anecdotal evidence, lol.

Also, I've spent plenty of time carrying guns in my life, and that should be obvious to you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Except they vote for people who are against all gun control, including for the mental ill. Owning and carrying guns for "safety" already shows a pathological amounts of paranoia and fear. When you are living under the constant paranoia that you might have to kill someone at any moment to protect yourself, your definition of you need protection from goes way down. This is why we have so many "responsible" gun owners snap and kill their family members over basic arguments.

Self hate is close to 100%. People can comfortable sleep for a lifetime without having the suppressed inner violence that causes being triggered. But put people through something that triggers those feelings of worthless and who also lack self awareness that we all feel that way because we bought into lies, and all hell can break lose. Only those who have had some insight that self hate is present and is our only real enemy are positioned not to take being triggered seriously.

I hope to over those tools an simple facts as to how we operate in our sleep.

 

[Sunburn74]

I'd rather get rid of the reasons for people wanting to murder each other. Otherwise you're just stifling emotions until people die of old age.

Good luck with curing all the flaws and weaknesses of humanity then!

 

[Moonbeam]

'Anecdotal evidence is of no relevance to me'

'My experiences are evidence'

That's anecdotal evidence, lol.

Also, I've spent plenty of time carrying guns in my life, and that should be obvious to you.

As you do not know the experience I speak of it has to be acecdotal to you. Only experience can know a deeper state of awareness. As I said, my attempts to relay this falls on deaf ears. You have not experienced reality, the one beyond thought and duality.

That you have spent time carrying guns was not obvious to me nor relevant, really.

Again, I am for gun control. I am not opposed to some kinds of weapons bans. I want a revolution in the way we view mental illness. It isn’t just the source of gun violence. It is the looming cause of potential human extinction, including, war, climate change, and fear of change.

 

[Brainonska511]

Based on MB's postings, it seems like he has some sort of mental issue going on and we should definitely be confiscating his gun(s).

 

[Moonbeam]

Good luck with curing all the flaws and weaknesses of humanity then!

He proudly states while standing in the way. The death of innocent children, that’s on the other guy, right?

 

[Zorba]

I'd rather get rid of the reasons for people wanting to murder each other. Otherwise you're just stifling emotions until people die of old age.

I guess we need to just redo Human evolution for your plan.

People get over shit pretty quickly, without resorting to murder. You are basically arguing for The Purge

"We can't possibly eliminate the tools of murder, we should just eliminate all the possible motivations for murder. Because if we don't eliminate the motivations and don't allow people to murder over them, the would be murder would be upset about not being able to murder the other person for the rest of their lives."

 

[Leeea]

Anecdotal evidence is of no relevance to me. My anecdotal evidence is that I owe a gun that has been in my family since before I was born that my father bought because of a peeping Tom. To my knowledge it has never been fired, certainly by me. I would like to shoot it but I can’t be bothered hiding a place I would feel comfortable with. I am not interested in firing ranges or unfamiliar geography. Need to buy some land but that also makes little sense.

Speak for yourself.

I grew up in a cult. I have met lots of gun owners.


Gone to gun clubs, public ranges, gun shows, etc. Did the whole culture thing for a while. Fit right in.



They. Are. All. Crazy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Based on MB's postings, it seems like he has some sort of mental issue going on and we should definitely be confiscating his gun(s).

A poster child for mandatory abortion….

See how easy

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Instead of trying to make the country where you live, work, and have family better, just move away from your entire social and economic support structure to another country. NBD, right?

- Ironically, making an argument in favor of all the illegal immigrants fleeing their shithole countries for a better life in America, which is basically what anyone across the world with a modicum of means has done for the last... 400 years?

 

[Moonbeam]

I guess we need to just redo Human evolution for your plan.

People get over shit pretty quickly, without resorting to murder. You are basically arguing for The Purge

"We can't possibly eliminate the tools of murder, we should just eliminate all the possible motivations for murder. Because if we don't eliminate the motivations and don't allow people to murder over them, the would be murder would be upset about not being able to murder the other person for the rest of their lives."

There are two possible causes I see, some sort of hereditary or acquired brain defect or the environmental triggering of of self hate, one difficult to predict, the other difficult to cure because the latter is universal and invisible as a result.

 

[Leeea]

You say that, but here we sit a quarter century from Columbine and we've had greater inroads when mental health from fucking kids shows than we have had on gun control. Keep tilting at those windmills though.

Sure, work on both with equal fervor. I'd appreciate that.

So we've done nothing and we're out of ideas, then?

we are not out of ideas.

Lets just ban all civilian ownership of firearms.

Problem solved.



Or, go for the middle of the road approach. Do like Australia. Ban all civilian ownership of any repeating firearm. Single shot only. Long barrel only. Safe storage required. License required for every firearm. License must be renewed every 3 to 5 years.

 

[fskimospy]

As you do not know the experience I speak of it has to be acecdotal to you. Only experience can know a deeper state of awareness. As I said, my attempts to relay this falls on deaf ears. You have not experienced reality, the one beyond thought and duality.

Anecdotes are stories about an individual experience. If experience is evidence to you, then anecdotes are evidence. You are desperately searching for ways to avoid facing reality though so this is lost on you.

That you have spent time carrying guns was not obvious to me nor relevant, really.

I was in the military for seven years. The military has guns. I've either carried or fired a range of weapons from a 9mm, to an M-14, to an M-60, to a Mk 19.

Funny how your experience counts but mine doesn't.

Again, I am for gun control. I am not opposed to some kinds of weapons bans. I want a revolution in the way we view mental illness. It isn’t just the source of gun violence. It is the looming cause of potential human extinction, including, war, climate change, and fear of change.

Congratulations on wanting to solve mental illness. Since we as a society are completely unable to do that at this time though we'll just have to settle for the solution everyone knows actually works.

 

[eelw]

Based on MB's postings, it seems like he has some sort of mental issue going on and we should definitely be confiscating his gun(s).

Yup he’s perfect and everyone else he can judge

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Anyone remember the movie "The Happening"? M. Night Shamalayan joint? No? Anyone?

Ok for like the 2 people who do remember, I would have much preferred the twist in that movie not to have been that plants where pheromonally causing humans to self destruct, but rather that humans have a built in genetic trigger that causes them to self destruct once population density hits a certain point.

Like a self regulatory mechanism built into people to make sure we don't completely overwhelm the planet.

Would have still been a stupid movie but maybe with a slightly more unnerving twist at the end.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Anyone remember the movie "The Happening"? M. Night Shamalayan joint? No? Anyone?

Ok for like the 2 people who do remember, I would have much preferred the twist in that movie not to have been that plants where pheromonally causing humans to self destruct, but rather that humans have a built in genetic trigger that causes them to self destruct once population density hits a certain point.

Like a self regulatory mechanism built into people to make sure we don't completely overwhelm the planet.

Would have still been a stupid movie but maybe with a slightly more unnerving twist at the end.

Agreed

 

[Moonbeam]

Obviously if people use weapons to kill in outbreaks of mass insanity like the outbreak of war, clearly the nation should pass laws against national defense to avoid going postal on other nations. Nobody should claim the right of self defense unless it’s with muskets, perhaps.

 

[Moonbeam]

I guess we need to just redo Human evolution for your plan.

People get over shit pretty quickly, without resorting to murder. You are basically arguing for The Purge

"We can't possibly eliminate the tools of murder, we should just eliminate all the possible motivations for murder. Because if we don't eliminate the motivations and don't allow people to murder over them, the would be murder would be upset about not being able to murder the other person for the rest of their lives."

You know what it is to be stripped of all conditioning so as to have all that is left that which is truly human, the part purported th be by some, the image of God. Perhaps you just suffer from ego arrogance and attachment to unexamined absurd sacred cows.

 

[Leeea]

Obviously if people use weapons to kill in outbreaks of mass insanity like the outbreak of war, clearly the nation should pass laws against national defense to avoid going postal on other nations. Nobody should claim the right of self defense unless it’s with muskets, perhaps.

absolutely.

Your nation can go first.

... oh, wait, muskets?


You do know that when the US fought with muskets we lost more American's then any other war? The civil war was just vicious.

 

[WelshBloke]

I think that the problem with guns and mental health assessments is that a lot of your more vocal right wingers would fail mental health assessments!
I'm not being facetious when I say that. A lot of them are literally delusional.

Plus one of the questions we use in a basic mental health assessment is "And can you tell me who the current Prime minister is?". I can just see that sparking off a "NOT MY PRESIDENT!" rant in the US with a decent into conspiracy theories about only Biden supporters being allowed guns!

 

[Moonbeam]

I think that the problem with guns and mental health assessments is that a lot of your more vocal right wingers would fail mental health assessments!
I'm not being facetious when I say that. A lot of them are literally delusional.

Plus one of the questions we use in a basic mental health assessment is "And can you tell me who the current Prime minister is?". I can just see that sparking off a "NOT MY PRESIDENT!" rant in the US with a decent into conspiracy theories about only Biden supporters being allowed guns!

OK, I’ll bite. Who is it?

 

[eelw]

Nobody should claim the right of self defense unless it’s with muskets, perhaps.

lol the only sane thing you’ve said this entire topic.

 

[eelw]

Doh. Theory on his motive. He recently broke up and he targeted places that they used to have dates at

 

[WelshBloke]

OK, I’ll bite. Who is it?

No gun for you!

 

[Moonbeam]

No gun for you!

I could have looked it up but I hardly ever worry about being called mentally dangerous. I have been pointing out that the reason I look like a dangerous person is that I tell the truth. You have violence repressed in you that you would kill to keep buried. But your power cage is well managed and will likely stay that way. Easy for you to stay asleep. Others don’t have the luxury.