Longer School Days

[IceBergSLiM]

The government dumbed down schools to avoid having another free thinking 60's generation....the result is we are churning out retards who know only of consuming and nothing of creating.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Education departments at US universities are the ghettos of departments. Anyone who fogs a mirror and pays the bill can get an MA in education. Many of the teachers and methods are inferior. Classes are stultifying and boring. The PC rubbish grows exponentially every years. The average high school is a holding tank for studs and strumpets. Kids would do better with less school and getting out earlier. Listening to Obama and the other pod people in education you would think kids are being born dumber the last 25 years. They are being dumbed down, miseducated and drugged up is the problem. This is Obama being his weirdo neo-Marxist self. I could guess what kind of re-education he would engage in with the extra time.

What do you expect? The Alumni from these departments don't make $$$ like the medicine or business schools, and there isn't a lot of competition for teaching jobs due to the pay. Why would the standards be high when the reward is medicore, at best.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: rchiu
eh, the school and the gov. can do whatever they want but unless parents start caring, nothing is gonna change.

Kids in Asia don't do well because they stay in school longer (In fact the article point out some Asian country kids stay in school less), they do well because they have parents who care. Even in the US, you see very high achivers in racial group like Asain and Jewish people, those group often with parents and family who cares about and actively involves in their's kids edcuation.

People in this country, especially parents with kids in school need to stop pointing fingers and start to face up to their own responsibilities. Or else nothing is gonna work to improve the crap education result in this country.

:thumbsup:

Longer school hours and longer school years will do nothing for the average student. Effective teaching techniques, real penalties for students who don't perform up to their ability, and less touchie-feely ego-stroking would be far more effective than more hours in school.

I was told that in China, children who do not perform well are called "lazy." They are not called stupid, and they are not put in an easier class. Lazy can be fixed, stupid can't.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: First

U.S. children have math and science scores that are, across the board, inferior to a huge collection of countries across the globe. This isn't made-up or debatable, it's part of well known record at this point.

No, I'm sorry, you are wrong. The fact that you are saying this, along with the fact that you are saying it is a well-known statement of fact, is evidence that you never actually bothered to research the point yourself, you are just regurgitating what you people keep saying while having no clue yourself. This is flat out, wrong.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: First

U.S. children have math and science scores that are, across the board, inferior to a huge collection of countries across the globe. This isn't made-up or debatable, it's part of well known record at this point.

No, I'm sorry, you are wrong. The fact that you are saying this, along with the fact that you are saying it is a well-known statement of fact, is evidence that you never actually bothered to research the point yourself, you are just regurgitating what you people keep saying while having no clue yourself. This is flat out, wrong.

thank you for providing equally non-existent support material!

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

By and large, our students are terrible. We rank consistently in the bottom of all industrialized countries in math, science and reading.

Again, absolutely wrong. The facts do not support this myth that has been thrown around constantly without anybody actually taking the time to look the statistics up.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

By and large, our students are terrible. We rank consistently in the bottom of all industrialized countries in math, science and reading.

Again, absolutely wrong. The facts do not support this myth that has been thrown around constantly without anybody actually taking the time to look the statistics up.

great support material you have. good way to solidify your position with a well thought out and proven case. i am impressed.

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: Skitzer

Originally posted by: rchiu
eh, the school and the gov. can do whatever they want but unless parents start caring, nothing is gonna change.

Kids in Asia don't do well because they stay in school longer (In fact the article point out some Asian country kids stay in school less), they do well because they have parents who care. Even in the US, you see very high achivers in racial group like Asain and Jewish people, those group often with parents and family who cares about and actively involves in their's kids edcuation.

People in this country, especially parents with kids in school need to stop pointing fingers and start to face up to their own responsibilities. Or else nothing is gonna work to improve the crap education result in this country.

This!
Parents are no longer giving children the attention and encouragement required to excel in school or in anything else for that matter. Parents are spending less and less time with their kids. This will always have a negative effect on their growth in so many ways.

Yup. Putting them in school 12 months/year isn't going to fix a damn thing> Just give the kids more schoolwork to do that their parents don't help them with

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: Elias824
In my school district they would fudge the numbers by sending all the druggies and lazy kids to a different school. School in this country is just a glorified day care.

Edit: oh a problem with longer school days is that normall the kids go to school for 6hrs, and that gives the teachers 2 hrs a day for prep time and grading papers. Now the teachers have longer days to and we cant pay them anymore.

Exactly. Most teachers don't work 6 hours/day. Most i know work closer to 10. Most schools also expect teachers to stay after-hours several days/week in order to help with after-school activities. This is outside of the extra hours they spend grading/correcting/reading assignments. Yeah, they get 2 months off in the summer...but they're working more during the 10 months that they DO work.

 

[JS80]

"More school" is code word for "more money for teachers unions."

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Ihey8neocons
Private schools siphen the top students from public schools. They should be closed and barred up.

Is this a joke? Close private schools and rich people are not going to send their kids to ghetto schools to get stabbed with the rest of the poor people. They'll simply move out of the vicinity entirely, taking their tax revenue with them.

Anyway, I just think this idea is a solution for dual income families barely being able to afford daycare.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

By and large, our students are terrible. We rank consistently in the bottom of all industrialized countries in math, science and reading.

Again, absolutely wrong. The facts do not support this myth that has been thrown around constantly without anybody actually taking the time to look the statistics up.

great support material you have. good way to solidify your position with a well thought out and proven case. i am impressed.

U.S. Teens Trail Peers Around World on Math-Science Test

U.S. Math Scores Improve Marginally as Science Scores Stagnate

In the latest evaluation, the United States ranked 11th in math in the world (of the 36 countries participating in the study) among fourth-graders and ninth (of 48 participating countries) among eighth-graders.

U.S. students behind in math, science, analysis says

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: piasabird
My biggest complaint would be that teachers take too much time off during the school year to go to conferences and refresher courses, or whatever else they do. I think they are having wild parties on School Time. Why dont they do their training during the summer?

god damn your fuckin stupid. You don't want teachers to take time off to learn new things to teach We need to remove your ability to vote.

How much time off do you need to learn "new things to teach" in American History? Math? English?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I'm not sure I get the joke of spelling his name as O'Bamma

I dont either...and Im suposedly one of those ebil right wing wackos.

Obama is Irish...and we hate the Irish?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: piasabird
My biggest complaint would be that teachers take too much time off during the school year to go to conferences and refresher courses, or whatever else they do. I think they are having wild parties on School Time. Why dont they do their training during the summer?

god damn your fuckin stupid. You don't want teachers to take time off to learn new things to teach We need to remove your ability to vote.

How much time off do you need to learn "new things to teach" in American History? Math? English?

Most, if not all, states require continuing ed to renew a teaching cert. Teaching is more than regurgitating facts they learned themselves in college, so its not just a matter of learning new history/math/science facts.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

By and large, our students are terrible. We rank consistently in the bottom of all industrialized countries in math, science and reading.

Again, absolutely wrong. The facts do not support this myth that has been thrown around constantly without anybody actually taking the time to look the statistics up.

great support material you have. good way to solidify your position with a well thought out and proven case. i am impressed.

U.S. Teens Trail Peers Around World on Math-Science Test

U.S. Math Scores Improve Marginally as Science Scores Stagnate

In the latest evaluation, the United States ranked 11th in math in the world (of the 36 countries participating in the study) among fourth-graders and ninth (of 48 participating countries) among eighth-graders.

U.S. students behind in math, science, analysis says

Apples to oranges? Better comparison is Korean Americans vs Koreans, American Jews vs non-American Jews, Mexican Americans vs Mexicans.

Or a better comparison, segment scores by parents' income level.
Or segment scores by number of hours beat by parents
Or by a measure of parents "giving a shit"

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

By and large, our students are terrible. We rank consistently in the bottom of all industrialized countries in math, science and reading.

Again, absolutely wrong. The facts do not support this myth that has been thrown around constantly without anybody actually taking the time to look the statistics up.

great support material you have. good way to solidify your position with a well thought out and proven case. i am impressed.

U.S. Teens Trail Peers Around World on Math-Science Test

U.S. Math Scores Improve Marginally as Science Scores Stagnate

In the latest evaluation, the United States ranked 11th in math in the world (of the 36 countries participating in the study) among fourth-graders and ninth (of 48 participating countries) among eighth-graders.

U.S. students behind in math, science, analysis says

Apples to oranges? Better comparison is Korean Americans vs Koreans, American Jews vs non-American Jews, Mexican Americans vs Mexicans.

Or a better comparison, segment scores by parents' income level.
Or segment scores by number of hours beat by parents
Or by a measure of parents "giving a shit"

No, its not apples and oranges. Omar stated, correctly I might add, "By and large, our students are terrible. We rank consistently in the bottom of all industrialized countries in math, science and reading." I simply provided links.

 

[bfdd]

Holding teachers accountable for their incompetence would help too. Have you guys read about the rubber rooms in NYC?

http://alhambrainvestments.com...08/27/the-rubber-room/

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Apples to oranges? Better comparison is Korean Americans vs Koreans, American Jews vs non-American Jews, Mexican Americans vs Mexicans.

Or a better comparison, segment scores by parents' income level.
Or segment scores by number of hours beat by parents
Or by a measure of parents "giving a shit"

No, its not apples and oranges. Omar stated, correctly I might add, "By and large, our students are terrible. We rank consistently in the bottom of all industrialized countries in math, science and reading." I simply provided links.[/quote]

ok i disagree with you.

but ultimately, who gives a shit? i'd rather have a dumb cashier working at walmart than one that is overeducated. He's more likely to feel bitter about it and probably vote blue.

 

[Craig234]

What's your point messing with his name 'O'bamma', pissbird?

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: bfdd
Holding teachers accountable for their incompetence would help too. Have you guys read about the rubber rooms in NYC?

http://alhambrainvestments.com...08/27/the-rubber-room/

Suspended with pay from her job as an elementary-school teacher, she earns more than a hundred thousand dollars a year, and she is, she said, ?entitled to every penny of it.?

:Q I'm in the wrong business!

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Maybe because its not an isolated incident?

Wear do you get off

Ahh I see you fell for my little trick. Your an idiot as well.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Maybe because its not an isolated incident?

Wear do you get off

Ahh I see you fell for my little trick. Your an idiot as well.

You mean your trick of misspelling in every thread you post in? Faux stupidity is it? I understand you arent the brightest crayon in the box, but to call someone out for english skills is pretty funny

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The current schedule(we have it in Canada too) is from a long gone era and should be changed. It's structured around an Agricultural Economy/Society which simply doesn't exist anymore. 4 or 5 2 week Vacation periods evenly spaced throughout the year would be more convenient and would help Children Learn/Retain better.

I agree. The days of the kids beeing a necessary part of the family farm during harvest are, for the most part, long gone.

For a few years, our daughter was in "year-round" school. The year was broken into "trimesters" with two week vacations inbetween. She retained more of what she learned from the previous semester and her grades improved greatly.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: sandorski
The current schedule(we have it in Canada too) is from a long gone era and should be changed. It's structured around an Agricultural Economy/Society which simply doesn't exist anymore. 4 or 5 2 week Vacation periods evenly spaced throughout the year would be more convenient and would help Children Learn/Retain better.

I agree. The days of the kids beeing a necessary part of the family farm during harvest are, for the most part, long gone.

For a few years, our daughter was in "year-round" school. The year was broken into "trimesters" with two week vacations inbetween. She retained more of what she learned from the previous semester and her grades improved greatly.

:thumbsup: My ex is a teacher, and always said she spends the first month/month-and-a-half reviewing last years work to get caught up.

edit: holy time warp Batman