Longer School Days

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: dahunan
DO YOU DISAGREE THAT YOUR FELLOW WAL-MART EMPLOYEES ARE STUPID?

I agree, in that, Wal-Mart associates in general are pretty stupid.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: dahunan
DO YOU DISAGREE THAT YOUR FELLOW WAL-MART EMPLOYEES ARE STUPID?

I agree, in that, Wal-Mart associates in general are pretty stupid.

Have you seen the SHOPPERS at Walmart? They make the employees look like rocket scientists.

 

[Jaskalas]

The more time kids spend in our dysfunctional system the more they will reject it.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: dahunan
DO YOU DISAGREE THAT YOUR FELLOW WAL-MART EMPLOYEES ARE STUPID?

I agree, in that, Wal-Mart associates in general are pretty stupid.

Have you seen the SHOPPERS at Walmart? They make the employees look like rocket scientists.

HEY! I resemble that.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Two word, affirmative action.

Doesn't "No kid left behind" cause a lot of the problems with kids passing a grade regardless of their abilities?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: piasabird
My biggest complaint would be that teachers take too much time off during the school year to go to conferences and refresher courses, or whatever else they do. I think they are having wild parties on School Time. Why dont they do their training during the summer?

god damn your fuckin stupid. You don't want teachers to take time off to learn new things to teach We need to remove your ability to vote.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: chucky2
I totally believe that.

But why do you think he couldn't fail more than a handful of students, and couldn't fail 2-3 minority students?

It's because said parents, who then b1tch b1tch b1tch to the school admin, threaten lawsuits for oppressing they kid, etc. etc. make the Admin's at the school's put those policies in place. Worse, the Admin's will way too often not back the teachers when it comes to confronting a problem student and/or parent.

Teach in that environment for a year or four...you don't think it'd affect your teaching performance?

Chuck

I am not sure who is at fault here.

If kids are getting passing grades, but learning nothing why should the average parent complain?
Is it our foolish drive to get everyone to graduate high school(water down standards so the slowest and dumbest can pass)?
Is it some warped funding mechanism that caused the admin to care, since they get fnding for attendance and not results?
Is it because there are broken schools and the admin tries to hide the failure, rather than fix the problem.

As much as people hate standardized testing it is required to throw some sunlight on these broken school so they can be fixed. If a school is found to be broken, all parents in that district should be supplied vouchers to send their kids to any other school(public or private).

The grading system is setup to move kids through the system, nothing less, nothing more. I'll give you a personal example:

I absolutely hate having to do things that aren't necessary. So when I actually knew the material on a given subject, I'd just refuse to do the homework on it. It happened that I knew physics very well...even in honors physics I was getting 100's, 99's, 98's on all my tests, yet, doing no homework. There was even a Top Gun award each semester for highest final grade, and I took it the Fall semester (blew spring because of a negative sign error, F'ing idiot me).

My grade for the Fall and Spring semesters both: Low C.

As an aside, HowTF do you give a student that has essentially totally mastered all the knowledge your class has sought to impart on him/her a Low C???

Here's the worst part, and a part answer to your questions:

The kids that got maybe in the 80's on their quiz's and tests, they were top overall grades in the class - by far. How??? Well, you have homework account for a huge part of the grade.

So here's how you gets kids who don't know sh1t through the system: You make homework a large % of the grade, you have little bonus points sh1t, "class participation points" (which are largely awarded for showing up, nothing more), and then you have tests/quizs count for maybe 30% of the kids grade. That way, the kids just need to do some average amount of homework (and, that homework can be light or heavy, depending on the teacher and class ((and guess what type it'll be for the average and below average level classes))), or copy it during lunch/whatever, and of course, show up.

So they get 60% on their test, who cares???? Look, they turned in maybe 70% of their homework, showed up for class, did a few hand holding exercises that you awarded 10 point each for...heck, that's a D right there. Throw in even their 60% test points, you've got a solid C student. Viola!!! The system works!!!

Grade on tests (meaning: Knowledge)?!?!?! Good god, No!!! That'd show you what the kids really know, you can't have that! Quick, lets find an excuse for the System and the masses of kids....lets see....oh, I know! Oh, he/she is a poor test taker.....

...Right. Life's a test baby, you can't go take your job home with you and do it later so you can get it right, better get used to performing.

Chuck

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: chucky2
...Right. Life's a test baby, you can't go take your job home with you and do it later so you can get it right, better get used to performing.

Chuck

:thumbsup:

 

[Siddhartha]

When I read the article about Mr Obama calling for kids to spend more time in school, I wondered how the "Obama is a dangerous do-do head" people would spin it.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: piasabird
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...n_re_us/us_more_school

I do not like these kind of articles that try to make people in the USA look like they are less itelligent than children in other countries.

you could at least TRY to not make spelling mistakes when pointing out that other countries think the USA is less intelligent.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: piasabird
My biggest complaint would be that teachers take too much time off during the school year to go to conferences and refresher courses, or whatever else they do. I think they are having wild parties on School Time. Why dont they do their training during the summer?

god damn your fuckin stupid. You don't want teachers to take time off to learn new things to teach We need to remove your ability to vote.

Ok, before you tell someone "your fuckin stupid," let's go back to English class. The word you are looking for is "you're." It's a contraction. It's the combination of two words... YOU AND FUCKING ARE. SOUND IT OUT IN THAT FUCKING MELON YOU CALL A HEAD. "Your" implies ownership, you fucking moron. You don't need to be calling anyone stupid.

Jesus christ, why are the people who listen to Limbaugh and his war on education so fucking stupid, or did I just answer my own question?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: rchiu
eh, the school and the gov. can do whatever they want but unless parents start caring, nothing is gonna change.

Kids in Asia don't do well because they stay in school longer (In fact the article point out some Asian country kids stay in school less), they do well because they have parents who care. Even in the US, you see very high achivers in racial group like Asain and Jewish people, those group often with parents and family who cares about and actively involves in their's kids edcuation.

People in this country, especially parents with kids in school need to stop pointing fingers and start to face up to their own responsibilities. Or else nothing is gonna work to improve the crap education result in this country.

Exactly. Its not how long you are in school its how badly the child (and family) want to learn.

I understand why some Racial groups like Asians and Jewish stick togother though. There are so many negitive influances on education its insane.

My wife and I are trying to teach our kids the importance of education. We make her do her homework and study when she gets home from school before she goes out and plays.

but its hard for her when all the other kids are out running around town. We also have one famlily that just does not care and lets the kids do the homework whenever or if at all.

I also don't think its really parents don't care. I think many parents are so overwelmed with work they don't have time or energy to put into makeing sure the kids do what they have to.

We are lucky in the fact she is in a good school and she does enjoy reading, math (she always ask for extra math work) etc.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The current schedule(we have it in Canada too) is from a long gone era and should be changed. It's structured around an Agricultural Economy/Society which simply doesn't exist anymore. 4 or 5 2 week Vacation periods evenly spaced throughout the year would be more convenient and would help Children Learn/Retain better.

A lot of school districts do this already. The one where my wife teachers has 9 week sessions then 2 weeks off. The summer break is is shortened as well.

Our kids go to a different school system and are on the most used schedule where you get a couple days break between each 9 week period and longer summers.

There is a lot of resistance to changing this because parents have a hard time finding daycare for the two weeks the children would be home. It is easier to arrange care once for 3 months or so than doing it every 9 weeks.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Genx87
Our school calendar is based on an outdated economy. We really should have kids in school 12 months a year imo.

We don't have children who live at the pleasure of the economy. They need a substantial vacation and just play.

What I meant with my comment was the original intent of summer vacation was children worked the fields of their parents farm during the summer months. We are not an agricultural economy anymore. We need to update our school system to reflect that reality.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Genx87
Our school calendar is based on an outdated economy. We really should have kids in school 12 months a year imo.

We don't have children who live at the pleasure of the economy. They need a substantial vacation and just play.

What I meant with my comment was the original intent of summer vacation was children worked the fields of their parents farm during the summer months. We are not an agricultural economy anymore. We need to update our school system to reflect that reality.

Our school year, and kids, are still exploited to benefit special interests in our economy. Kids out of school buy more crap. Parents spend more on daycare. Tourist locations see higher revenue. There was a big fight over this several years ago here in NC and it's still going. Here's just the first link from google on it:
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/0...e-approved-house-panel
Bottom line is the schools were prevented from starting earlier and semesters split about 2 weeks behind Christmas break, all to benefit special interests at the expense of our kid's education. Here is their page of "success:"
http://www.saveoursummers.com/2004legislation.asp

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Genx87
Our school calendar is based on an outdated economy. We really should have kids in school 12 months a year imo.

We don't have children who live at the pleasure of the economy. They need a substantial vacation and just play.

What I meant with my comment was the original intent of summer vacation was children worked the fields of their parents farm during the summer months. We are not an agricultural economy anymore. We need to update our school system to reflect that reality.

Our school year, and kids, are still exploited to benefit special interests in our economy. Kids out of school buy more crap. Parents spend more on daycare. Tourist locations see higher revenue. There was a big fight over this several years ago here in NC and it's still going. Here's just the first link from google on it:
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/0...e-approved-house-panel
Bottom line is the schools were prevented from starting earlier and semesters split about 2 weeks behind Christmas break, all to benefit special interests at the expense of our kid's education. Here is their page of "success:"
http://www.saveoursummers.com/2004legislation.asp

actually there have been many studies that show that its not the amount of time we are in school (hell asia has less and they are doing far better) but the way we teach and teh dedication the child and family has to it.

right now we protect bad teachers. The teachers we do have are on a strict plan that the administration tells them to teach. the kids are taught how to take state test and not the stuff they need. Far to many have got away from learning the basics instead they have crap that is no use.

 

[Modelworks]

I would be for shorter school days and later starting times. Maybe start at 9 AM and dismiss at 1PM . The reason is it has been shown that some of the most wasted hours in school are early morning hours, schools serving breakfast and such, and also because students are not often fully alert in the early mornings. The same thing happens in the late afternoon. If you are trying to learn one of the worst things is trying to learn while tired. If you spend all day in classes, by the end of the day all you are thinking about is getting out. Schools did studies in the 80's where classes earlier in the day scored better than the ones taught as the last class. It would also remove the burden of schools to serve food.

I know parents would not like it because they would have to find babysitters that might not be required now and I also know that some kids only get food when at school, but for learning it would work better.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I would be for shorter school days and later starting times. Maybe start at 9 AM and dismiss at 1PM . The reason is it has been shown that some of the most wasted hours in school are early morning hours, schools serving breakfast and such, and also because students are not often fully alert in the early mornings. The same thing happens in the late afternoon. If you are trying to learn one of the worst things is trying to learn while tired. If you spend all day in classes, by the end of the day all you are thinking about is getting out. Schools did studies in the 80's where classes earlier in the day scored better than the ones taught as the last class. It would also remove the burden of schools to serve food.

I know parents would not like it because they would have to find babysitters that might not be required now and I also know that some kids only get food when at school, but for learning it would work better.

that would realy depend on if the family is fallowing up on the school work at home or allowing the child to blow it off and go play.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Education departments at US universities are the ghettos of departments. Anyone who fogs a mirror and pays the bill can get an MA in education. Many of the teachers and methods are inferior. Classes are stultifying and boring. The PC rubbish grows exponentially every years. The average high school is a holding tank for studs and strumpets. Kids would do better with less school and getting out earlier. Listening to Obama and the other pod people in education you would think kids are being born dumber the last 25 years. They are being dumbed down, miseducated and drugged up is the problem. This is Obama being his weirdo neo-Marxist self. I could guess what kind of re-education he would engage in with the extra time.

You forgot something about homosexuals, Butterbean.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

True Rochester NY school story.

A 12 year old girl was caught carrying a knife with the intent of stabbing a fellow student because she said something she didn't like. She had told others students and one turned her in. Her mother was brought into the principles office and the situation explained.

The mother was livid with the child, but not because of what you might think. It was "What did I tell you? If you gonna cut somebody, just do it and don't be talking 'bout it!"

Now how long does the school year or day have to be for the teacher to make a good student out of her? Welcome to the real world Neo.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
True Rochester NY school story.

A 12 year old girl was caught carrying a knife with the intent of stabbing a fellow student because she said something she didn't like. She had told others students and one turned her in. Her mother was brought into the principles office and the situation explained.

The mother was livid with the child, but not because of what you might think. It was "What did I tell you? If you gonna cut somebody, just do it and don't be talking 'bout it!"

Now how long does the school year or day have to be for the teacher to make a good student out of her? Welcome to the real world Neo.

Remember that welfare queen who had 82 kids and had a mansion and 13 Cadillacs? True story. She lived in my hometown. My cousin's daughter's uncle's best friend's coworker knew her. Hilary Clinton also had Vince Foster killed. True story. My cock is 16 inches long. True story.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Isn't too bad when reality clashes with your pristine world?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: rchiu
eh, the school and the gov. can do whatever they want but unless parents start caring, nothing is gonna change.

Kids in Asia don't do well because they stay in school longer (In fact the article point out some Asian country kids stay in school less), they do well because they have parents who care. Even in the US, you see very high achivers in racial group like Asain and Jewish people, those group often with parents and family who cares about and actively involves in their's kids edcuation.

People in this country, especially parents with kids in school need to stop pointing fingers and start to face up to their own responsibilities. Or else nothing is gonna work to improve the crap education result in this country.

Exactly. Its not how long you are in school its how badly the child (and family) want to learn.

I understand why some Racial groups like Asians and Jewish stick togother though. There are so many negitive influances on education its insane.

My wife and I are trying to teach our kids the importance of education. We make her do her homework and study when she gets home from school before she goes out and plays.

but its hard for her when all the other kids are out running around town. We also have one famlily that just does not care and lets the kids do the homework whenever or if at all.

I also don't think its really parents don't care. I think many parents are so overwelmed with work they don't have time or energy to put into makeing sure the kids do what they have to.

We are lucky in the fact she is in a good school and she does enjoy reading, math (she always ask for extra math work) etc.

well I think that's when you have to make the call if career is more important or the kids. Plus a lot of time it's not about spending time, it's the attitude. Like what you said, it is extremely important to let your kids know the importance of education. It's not about how much time you spent with them, of course if you spent a lot of time, it's easier, but it's about showing them that you care.

My wife is one of those career women with U of Chicago MBA, head of a division in large multi-national bank. Like you and your wife, she makes sure our two kids do their home work and study, and they can only play computer games, or play their toys if they finished their homework and prepared for test. She doesn't have that much time cause of her work, but she make sure that the kids understand how important it is for her that they study and do their work before they can play.

Our older son also loves reading, especially about science, animals, nature..etc. He is also good in math and in English (because he reads a lot since before 1st grade). But that's not luck. We purposely buy him books and encourage him to read about thing he loved since small, like dinosaurs, sharks, and other animals. Our second son who just started 1st grade is gonna need a little work cause he doesn't have any patience to do his work properly or memorize what he needs.

No one said it's easy, and I understand it's gonna be harder if the parents have to work just to provide the family with basic needs. In my case, me and my wife are separated but whenever I see my kids, I sit with them while they do their homework, and the stuff I bring them is mostly educational, like books and scientific toys. Bottom line is, nothing is going to help your kids if you don't put in the work yourself, don't show your kids that you care and do anything and everything you can to help your kids.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Isn't too bad when reality clashes with your pristine world?

Limbaugh Reality isn't real reality. Keep taking the blue pill, sheep.

 

[Xellos2099]

One small problem with doing homework right after school, by the time they are down, it is usually night time and kids are not allowed to run around at night time, do they?