Lion vs. Tiger

[Silver Prime]

Okay bud its done, I edited the list an added them in the archive...its funny I count only 9 pictures so when I posted it it said I had 11 an had to take one out, so I took out the animal planet one to show Roy them, its no biggie I'll probably erase an edit it, an have only ten per post that way people can see a pic of each person or book cover.

But thanks man...I think that size is a perfect fit, not too big an not to small...it fits nicely...if I can only get all the rest to that size...it will look alot better.

Edit:
The same as yuku? I never resized anything in yuku, so I dont know how...pull what? Dont I have to type in something?

 

[Battle Cat]

1966

Trainer, Roman Proske

Lions tigers and me, Pages 132,133

 

[Battle Cat]

I just put in some pages from Roman Proske about the aggressiveness of the lion during mating season. P.Tigris claims he quoted Maybel Starks in his book or something but he is never quoted from what I know of saying the tiger would win in his own words. His quotes show again a key difference mentally in the male lion then the tiger, the male is far more aggressive in fighting for its mate the tiger is not.

Ok yeah about the re sizing after you make the post, you can edit it. When you your ready to make the changes in edit if you click on the pick that you previously posted in the post it will become move able in size, if you click it on it, you will see an out line appear around it, the out line or outer edge of the pick can be dragged out to make it bigger, or click and drag the outer edge in, to make it shrink.

Oh yeah and if you use firefox as your server instead of internet explorer firefox has automatic spell check, so as your typing things it automatically highlights it in red if its spelled wrong. Then like word processor you just right click over the word and left click the right spelling. Helps a lot. you just have to download firefox as your main server and use that.

Okay bud its done, I edited the list an added them in the archive...its funny I count only 9 pictures so when I posted it it said I had 11 an had to take one out, so I took out the animal planet one to show Roy them, its no biggie I'll probably erase an edit it, an have only ten per post that way people can see a pic of each person or book cover.

But thanks man...I think that size is a perfect fit, not too big an not to small...it fits nicely...if I can only get all the rest to that size...it will look alot better.

Edit:
The same as yuku? I never resized anything in yuku, so I dont know how...pull what? Dont I have to type in something?

 

[Silver Prime]

I just put in some pages from Roman Proske about the aggressiveness of the lion during mating season. P.Tigris claims he quoted Maybel Starks in his book or something but he is never quoted from what I know of saying the tiger would win in his own words. His quotes show again a key difference mentally in the male lion then the tiger, the male is far more aggressive in fighting for its mate the tiger is not.

Ok yeah about the re sizing after you make the post, you can edit it. When you your ready to make the changes in edit if you click on the pick that you previously posted in the post it will become move able in size, if you click it on it, you will see an out line appear around it, the out line or outer edge of the pick can be dragged out to make it bigger, or click and drag the outer edge in, to make it shrink.

Oh yeah and if you use firefox as your server instead of internet explorer firefox has automatic spell check, so as your typing things it automatically highlights it in red if its spelled wrong. Then like word processor you just right click over the word and left click the right spelling. Helps a lot. you just have to download firefox as your main server and use that.

XD XD I remember Reading Roman proske saying that...I laughed for hours because a picture in my head poped up of a bunch of crazy pissed off lions chasing a man {proske) an he was running fire-ing his gun while face foward yet arm back yelling ahhhh an shooting wildly trying to get out( while the lions thinking F U we know there blanks XD XD XD

Hilarious ^_^

But no thats good you mentioned him again...thats a key thing to remember that the lion tends to be more agresive..thats what seperates him from other cats, do tigers get agressive? Of course they do, but its not as constant like a lion, the lion usually does have 8 wives right? So the lion will be consistantly more agressive...thats why they only rule a pride for so long...other lions want that title...tigers not so much. Its well known when they take a mate...its for life with that one mate...unless other circumstances of course.

I dont want to post any vids of them fighting on here...I dont think the mods would like tons of animal scraps on there threads, just the documents but these arnt really of them fighting, its just showing there agression...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QNywR1OFSQ

theres another one that I seen a guy caught on his phone titled lion and tiger brawl on youtube, which shows a lion and a golden tabby tiger and the tiger is bouncing off the walls like (marshall thomas) states yet the lion is really looking like he wants to get at the tiger. Sorry I cant link it, my safari shut down an this explorer is out dated. An yeah as for the resizing part...I think i know what you mean, but again its just the software on this pc its just to old, no worrys it'll come along.

But I'll put him in the list too, as a benifactor to a expert saying a lion would usually be more agressive in times, but I do know Roman proske had a tiger kill a lion, but without his help, I dont think the tiger would have faired well, being that Proske jabbed a huge steel fork in the lions eye...that alone could have killed the lion...which gave the tiger enough time land a death move.

 

[zinfamous]

Silver Prime/Battle Cat: you have just violated AT rules by creating an alt account.

It is a bannable offense.

seriously: at least try to change voices and posting style with your 2nd account. this is laughably (pathetically) obvious.

if you have to create another account simply to back yourself up in an argument that precisely zero people care about, I think you should look into spending your time on more meaningful pursuits.

 

[Silver Prime]

Silver Prime/Battle Cat: you have just violated AT rules by creating an alt account.

It is a bannable offense.

seriously: at least try to change voices and posting style with your 2nd account. this is laughably (pathetically) obvious.

if you have to create another account simply to back yourself up in an argument that precisely zero people care about, I think you should look into spending your time on more meaningful pursuits.

No body cares about? About who, you? lol The admin an mods should have full viewing capabilities on Ip adresses thats a requirement embeded with emails champ...they'll simply see that I'm from Hawaii, an battle cat is from well...I dont know...I tried having a fast convo on a forum once..that incoperated 2 accounts...let me tell you, its degrading...an I promised my self never to do it again.

But as for you being a complete dumbass...go inform a mod an admin to confirm that we are on different parts of the world...makes no differemce to me asshole.

 

[dust]

I think the tiger would win! Simply because it's way cooler than the lion

 

[Silver Prime]

I think the tiger would win! Simply because it's way cooler than the lion

I think tigers are cool too...^_^

 

[Battle Cat]

Wasn't one of them mauled by a tiger?

Yes sadly Roy Horn was, this ended there shows, the tiger was spooked I believe by a women in the crowd with an odd hairdo, it jumped up, Roy actually fell over, he had high blood pressure at the time and was dizzy, every one knows you don't fall over in front of these cats, there instinct kicks in. That was when the tiger grabbed Roy's neck. But even still the tiger may have been trying to protect Roy and it was spooked and carried Roy off the stage, if it truly wanted to kill Roy he most likely wouldn't be alive.

Its a sad incident and a fluke, they had countless performance for years and even lived with some of these cats. But there so powerful and deadly and years of instinct in them, you just never know.

 

[Battle Cat]

XD XD I remember Reading Roman proske saying that...I laughed for hours because a picture in my head poped up of a bunch of crazy pissed off lions chasing a man {proske) an he was running fire-ing his gun while face foward yet arm back yelling ahhhh an shooting wildly trying to get out( while the lions thinking F U we know there blanks XD XD XD

Hilarious ^_^

But no thats good you mentioned him again...thats a key thing to remember that the lion tends to be more agresive..thats what seperates him from other cats, do tigers get agressive? Of course they do, but its not as constant like a lion, the lion usually does have 8 wives right? So the lion will be consistantly more agressive...thats why they only rule a pride for so long...other lions want that title...tigers not so much. Its well known when they take a mate...its for life with that one mate...unless other circumstances of course.

I dont want to post any vids of them fighting on here...I dont think the mods would like tons of animal scraps on there threads, just the documents but these arnt really of them fighting, its just showing there agression...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QNywR1OFSQ

theres another one that I seen a guy caught on his phone titled lion and tiger brawl on youtube, which shows a lion and a golden tabby tiger and the tiger is bouncing off the walls like (marshall thomas) states yet the lion is really looking like he wants to get at the tiger. Sorry I cant link it, my safari shut down an this explorer is out dated. An yeah as for the resizing part...I think i know what you mean, but again its just the software on this pc its just to old, no worrys it'll come along.

But I'll put him in the list too, as a benifactor to a expert saying a lion would usually be more agressive in times, but I do know Roman proske had a tiger kill a lion, but without his help, I dont think the tiger would have faired well, being that Proske jabbed a huge steel fork in the lions eye...that alone could have killed the lion...which gave the tiger enough time land a death move.

Oh yeah, the lion that died was going to kill the trainer or maybe it was him, the lion wasn't fighting the tiger, it was going after the trainer, the tiger just saw the lion in a vulnerable position so it decided to try to bite the tiger they'll do that, they'll attack you if your vulnerable like weak prey or they'll go after the female lion. There are clips like this in Everland of male tigers bullying lioness's but then when the male comes he knocks them around and they submit in fear or just run.

Yeah lions are built for competition with other cats, there built for disputes thats how they settle who's going to be the pride leader. Tiger aren't wired that way, there stealth animals, they stalk you, kill, then disappear into the shadows and eat there kill alone without anyone fighting them over it. Lions are constantly shadowed by huge packs of hyenas that are always looking to run them off there kill especially the lioness's. Tigers don't face this. Lions and hyenas have been battling each other for thousands and thousands of years, back to prehistoric times. This is why the lion is built to fight them, its more dog like then all other cats, it uses its jaws more in fighting, and it has superior neck and head coordination the tiger does not have this the same, most all cats necks are stiff in movement. But the tigers whole body movements are more flexible and agile.

 

[Battle Cat]

Silver Prime/Battle Cat: you have just violated AT rules by creating an alt account.

It is a bannable offense.

seriously: at least try to change voices and posting style with your 2nd account. this is laughably (pathetically) obvious.

if you have to create another account simply to back yourself up in an argument that precisely zero people care about, I think you should look into spending your time on more meaningful pursuits.

Didn't realize what you were getting at till Prime responded below here, no I am not Prime if thats what your wondering. Yes have the mods check my I.P. I'll guarantee it and I'm not Hawaiian either.

 

[dbk]

Let's end this debate.. LSU Tigers > Detroit Lions

/thread

 

[Battle Cat]

Dr. Antle Bhagavan of Big Cat Rescue

"You gotta have mild-mannered lions and tigers," Antle said. "Normally the lion will kill the tigers." http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_Clr5RjvqTpoGGwtFpwLOPN Dr. Bhagavan Antle also said, "These are just some of my observations over the last 24 years as I have trained some 400 big cats and met hundreds more. By big cats, I only mean the Panthera family (lions, tigers, leopard, jaguars and hybrids) all the rest are in a different category and the small cats (including cheetah and pumas) are in a different class. "They will kill you, but it is not with the same intent and aggressive behavior. Male lions are 100 times harder to train than tigers." http://www.rexano.org/Res...g_cat_training_Frame.htm


Sam Stephens Zoologist from New Zealand for Animal Planet, said, " A male lion spends the first 4 years of its life just developing him self into a fighting machine, its his whole focus fighting to take over a pride, defending it for others." Dave Salmoni a tiger guy, later agreed with her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2z-47pCb2g

Its obvious that young lions have a different up bringing then tigers. They fight far more from birth even upon first being introduced to there father as this clip shows. Lions are familiar with combat from an early age.


A mother's love: Lioness lashes out to protect cub when father gets a bit too rough


By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 05:41 EST, 18 May 2011

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...protects-son-father-gets-bit-competitive.html

 

[zinfamous]

Silver Prime/Battle Cat: what do you think about ponies?

 

[Battle Cat]

Silver Prime/Battle Cat: what do you think about ponies?

Ponies are really cute, they might be able to beat a lion using some magic star dust or something, other then that lets hope the lion might adopt one of them instead of eat it.

Last I checked lions aren't to fond of the horse family either.

But don't worry in Heaven all this will be over, the lion will lie down with the lamb and hopefully the pony too.

 

[Silver Prime]

Dr. Antle Bhagavan of Big Cat Rescue

"You gotta have mild-mannered lions and tigers," Antle said. "Normally the lion will kill the tigers." http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_Clr5RjvqTpoGGwtFpwLOPN Dr. Bhagavan Antle also said, "These are just some of my observations over the last 24 years as I have trained some 400 big cats and met hundreds more. By big cats, I only mean the Panthera family (lions, tigers, leopard, jaguars and hybrids) all the rest are in a different category and the small cats (including cheetah and pumas) are in a different class. "They will kill you, but it is not with the same intent and aggressive behavior. Male lions are 100 times harder to train than tigers." http://www.rexano.org/Res...g_cat_training_Frame.htm


Sam Stephens Zoologist from New Zealand for Animal Planet, said, " A male lion spends the first 4 years of its life just developing him self into a fighting machine, its his whole focus fighting to take over a pride, defending it for others." Dave Salmoni a tiger guy, later agreed with her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2z-47pCb2g

Its obvious that young lions have a different up bringing then tigers. They fight far more from birth even upon first being introduced to there father as this clip shows. Lions are familiar with combat from an early age.


A mother's love: Lioness lashes out to protect cub when father gets a bit too rough


By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 05:41 EST, 18 May 2011

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...protects-son-father-gets-bit-competitive.html

Very awesome quotas, very straight forward, yeah heres one of a lion training his cubs, with nessisary roughness, which is needed to teach them to protect them selves against intruding prides an merauding males...thats just another implimation on how game lions are while tigers like all cats dont have that luxery of a father figure, so there is little to fight for. Tigers are assassins an live the life of the ninja, while lions are Mma fighters who live the life of a spartan...
http://books.google.com/books?id=Yl...lion+fighting+tiger&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html

Cool quotas dude...I'll add them to the list in a few when I find there dates...by the way, scanning threw I noticed finally whimp ma gee, came across one of 6 artifacts of a tiger killing a lion...(the statue) I never included it simply because it was just made in the past 20 years, meaning [Not historical] just like his medalion...lol*it says right on the site they been in buisness for 15 years XD XD again not historical meaning its not based on any factual implimations, but at this point I'm glad hes found it an is twisting things around (like usual)
because comparing artifacts was getting a little boring since theres like 70 for the lion an only 6 for the tiger...while the 6 actually is only 3 because 1 is of a tiger an boar, an 2 are the tower of london just reproduced.

So why dont you quote his post an paste it on here about the romans so I can pick apart his pathetic attempt to re-paint his list. Because I need all his quotas anyway, to show where most say martial peters right in the article it self.

Edit:
There I updated the list an added Antle an the newzealand person sam, I'll add in a few new ones myself...I found 1 by this guy before I went down last night...

Merlin perkins

Initially, a tiger would win for its greater burst of speed and strength. However, tigers have no stamina. If the lion could hold out for ~1 minute, it would defeat the exhausted tiger.
As Mr. Marlin Perkins tells it, however, "a real tiger won't attack a rhinoceros just for the hell of it, any more than he will sleep on his back in lion country."
~
Naval Safety Center, 1972
http://www.google.com/search?q=Marlin+perkins+lion+tiger+fight+&tbm=bks&tbo=1

That quota is simple to understand, even clyde beatty pointed out tigers explosiveness leads to there down fall when fighting lions, which the mane is what bides them the time without even doing the fighting really, as perkins stated he thinks the lion can win if he can hold out that one minute, which is not all that hard. Its quite obvious hes gestering the lion fairs well in a fight along with a tiger fears a lion more so the other way around, a lion would have nothing to fear in tiger country simply because he is aided by his brothers an wives=8 on average...which like Kailash stated...even a single lion can prove to be more than a match for a tiger.

I think I remember this guy too, animal kingdom was a show of his, he was famed for being the crazy guy for picking up wild animal cubs of all animals...an hoisting them into his park.

I still have to add in others from my list. I remember a member in Ava on the back pages, had presented alfred courts book, an stated alfred was more fond of tigers an leopards but mentioned only because his lions would often bully them around...I dont know what pages it was on or exactly what he quoted, but this is alfred court

I want to add him to the list again but I need to know what he said first...its funny too, I havent came across any circus act where a tiger had a significant size difference to the lion, in fact, all shown from hundreds of pictures that the lion is slightly bigger. No doubt they are bengals, summatrans look like mini siberians, because they have thick an longer fur, while bengals fur is like a pitbulls very straped an short.

But in reality, I dont think a tiger will ever really look bigger than a lion due to his mane, some full grown adults in circuses resemble barbary lions, that is the common mistake an why tons for pablicity say they have them, which is not true...I think they died out way before the 18th century maybe the last were in the early 17th an possibly the mid 16th century...not one dna testing of a live Barbary was tested positive, only a slight resemblence in leo persica the indian an or persian lion. But again lions in captivity have inormous size manes that increase there mass 2 folds...

 

[Silver Prime]

Silver Prime/Battle Cat: what do you think about ponies?

Dont let ponys, horeses an donkeys fool you there are plentiful accounts of them Ko-ing an even killing lions and tigers...ever heard of horse power? There full power kick can split a lions head like a watermelon, the emperor of china had a gift of a black donkey that killed his two fighting tigers, george conklin had a half zebra half horse hybrid Ko his biggest tiger named rajah, an there was a fight in italy where a horse kick the shit out of a lion who came in two close.

Usually the predator has more cause an majorty-ly should win, but dont count them out just yet, for the shire horse would be there trump card...my most favorite horse sense I was small...

The Giant Shire Horse

 

[zinfamous]

No body cares about? About who, you? lol The admin an mods should have full viewing capabilities on Ip adresses thats a requirement embeded with emails champ...they'll simply see that I'm from Hawaii, an battle cat is from well...I dont know...I tried having a fast convo on a forum once..that incoperated 2 accounts...let me tell you, its degrading...an I promised my self never to do it again.

But as for you being a complete dumbass...go inform a mod an admin to confirm that we are on different parts of the world...makes no differemce to me asshole.

No, you make the exact same grammar mistakes consistently and predictably across both accounts.

Your (horrendous) sentence structure is identical.

Your posting format is identical.

out of absofuckinglutely nowhere, you appear from the bowels of the internet to create an account on AT only to resurrect this dead thread, displaying weird yet mildly fascinating interest in this very useless topic (I mean, kudos if that's your thing and all). And then, suddenly, the exact same thing happens with some other new account, in 100% agreement, after you have already displayed some rather pointed and passionate rejection of "those
tiger people" that are out to get you. The cherry picking of data, the belief that you are in some sort of war with the other side of this non-debate...creating a second phony account simply to back yourself up is the hallmark of such meticulous, if not paranoid forum behavior.

You are either lazy or just not very smart in assuming that this isn't obvious to even the most casual reader.

 

[WelshBloke]

No, you make the exact same grammar mistakes consistently and predictably across both accounts.

Your (horrendous) sentence structure is identical.

Your posting format is identical.

out of absofuckinglutely nowhere, you appear from the bowels of the internet to create an account on AT only to resurrect this dead thread, displaying weird yet mildly fascinating interest in this very useless topic (I mean, kudos if that's your thing and all). And then, suddenly, the exact same thing happens with some other new account, in 100% agreement, after you have already displayed some rather pointed and passionate rejection of "those
tiger people" that are out to get you. The cherry picking of data, the belief that you are in some sort of war with the other side of this non-debate...creating a second phony account simply to back yourself up is the hallmark of such meticulous, if not paranoid forum behavior.

You are either lazy or just not very smart in assuming that this isn't obvious to even the most casual reader.

Its fucking awesome isn't it?

 

[Silver Prime]

No, you make the exact same grammar mistakes consistently and predictably across both accounts.

Your (horrendous) sentence structure is identical.

Your posting format is identical.

out of absofuckinglutely nowhere, you appear from the bowels of the internet to create an account on AT only to resurrect this dead thread, displaying weird yet mildly fascinating interest in this very useless topic (I mean, kudos if that's your thing and all). And then, suddenly, the exact same thing happens with some other new account, in 100% agreement, after you have already displayed some rather pointed and passionate rejection of "those
tiger people" that are out to get you. The cherry picking of data, the belief that you are in some sort of war with the other side of this non-debate...creating a second phony account simply to back yourself up is the hallmark of such meticulous, if not paranoid forum behavior.

You are either lazy or just not very smart in assuming that this isn't obvious to even the most casual reader.

XD XD XD Hey sherlock, inform the mod then if you are so dam sure...have him check our Ip's, wise ass...you cant fake Ip's an the blocker thing would only block it, never heard of a scrambler that was consistant with the same Ip, I go by the name only Prime, as in Silver Prime, Golden prime an just Prime I used only 2 other user names because It was for another forum which I was already part of, the names were Father time an My lord...wise ass, I live in hawaii who I just had a convo with another hawaiian on this very forum who is on the north shore, I'm from Waiane the west side of oahu...Battle cat is from the mainland...go ask him what part I dont know...so get out your spy kit an use your banarculers to look closer because the magnifying glass aint helping you pal.

 

[Battle Cat]

XD XD XD Hey sherlock, inform the mod then if you are so dam sure...have him check our Ip's, wise ass...you cant fake Ip's an the blocker thing would only block it, never heard of a scrambler that was consistant with the same Ip, I go by the name only Prime, as in Silver Prime, Golden prime an just Prime I used only 2 other user names because It was for another forum which I was already part of, the names were Father time an My lord...wise ass, I live in hawaii who I just had a convo with another hawaiian on this very forum who is on the north shore, I'm from Waiane the west side of oahu...Battle cat is from the mainland...go ask him what part I dont know...so get out your spy kit an use your banarculers to look closer because the magnifying glass aint helping you pal.

Well it appears Zinfamous is upset, and hes really all zinned up about your post. Must be a Zinging tiger fan. Yes I'm not from Hawaii from the North east, Boston.

 

[raildogg]

The Asiatic lion is not talked about much. I even did not know it existed before reading up on it. It is interesting to know that a lion lives outside of Africa. Hopefully humans will stop expanding so much and leave some space for the animals.

 

[Battle Cat]

Prime very interesting about Merlin Perkins, that is now another person who says the tiger has poor endurance. Plus it coincides with what Leofwin proved recently with studies that lion has greater endurance.
Tigers like all cats are designed for sudden burst of speed but that kind of body type structure and muscle structure is poor for endurance. The dog family far exceeds the cat family on endurance, and dogs are not as fast in sudden burst of movement. All cats are though, but except the lion, so why would that be then, because the lion has swapped some of its whole body speed for endurance. The lion's agility is more in line with the dog family then most cats like the tiger.

Here is a post by Leofwin, with a study and data proving the lion has more endurance then the tiger. This now backs up Beatty's observations and Perkins.




The debate about the relationship between lung/heart volume and stamina, again. Apart from logic there are other ways to prove that there is a relationship between lung/heart size, RBC, HR and stamina. But at first to former. Here's a little analogy:

There are two delivery concerns. Concern #1 has a big storehouse, a lot of cars to deliver the goods and a lot of fuel in store. Concern #2 has a relatively small storehouse, fewer cars and less fuel. Both deliver their goods to two different concerns that produce the same products. Which do you think would be able to produce more effectively in the same period of time/to produce efficiently over a longer period of time, assuming they use the same production methods and the cars would have to drive equally long ways (maybe a bit longer for concern #2)?


Here's a work sheet on this topic.


By the way does more oxygen supply not only mean better endurance but also more strength - one of the main reasons men are stronger than women (apart from more muscle mass; men have bigger lungs than women, both relatively and overall). Muscle fiber type I needs oxygen to function, the more oxygen the better it works. Bigger lungs can inhale more air and therefore more oxygeen, more red blood cells can transport more oxygen at a time and a bigger heart can pump more blood at a time resulting in better oxygen supply for the muscles. That is part of the theory that heat increases lung volume. Further does it not matter what makes the lungs and heart grow bigger as long as they just are, assuming fights on equal grounds - it's the physiology that matters, not the reasons for it. In their own habitats the stamina may not differ that much, though.


If that still doesn't suffice here's what Westcott (2003) has to say about this topic:

"When endurance athletes perform high-level aerobic exercise, their lungs may move more than 150 liters of air a minute, and their hearts may pump up to 40 liters of blood a minute. Relative to their body size, endurance athletes have larger lungs, hearts, and arteries than average individuals. They also have more blood vessels and greater blood volume than untrained people. Although endurance training can increase the ability of the muscles to use oxygen, its effect on the size of the heart and blood vessels is not fully understood. Most likely, outstanding endurance athletes are genetically endowed with exceptionally effective cardiovascular systems as well as favorable muscle physiology."


The last sentence may also explain why the captive lions still had larger lungs and hearts than wild tigers. I won't re-type all the rest, though. He's not the only one who states that. Here's more:


Lung size:

("The complete guide to Joseph H. Pilates' techniques of physical conditioning" by Allan Menezes, 2004)


"Endurance, or stamina, is the body's ability to perform better over a greater length of time with less stress and fatigue. By controlling your breathing and expanding your lung capacity, you can achieve greater stamina."


Heart size and Heart beat Rate:

("Human Biology" by Danial D. Chiras, 2011)



"Stamina or endurance results from numerous physiological changes. One of the most important changes occurs in the heart. The heart responds to exercise like any other muscle - it grows stronger and larger. A well-exercised heart beats more slowly but pumps more blood with each beat. The net result, then, is that the heart works more efficiently, delivering more oxygen to skeletal muscles."


According to Holger D. Schünemann (PhD, MSc, MD; lead researcher of a study on the connection between lung function and mortality) "the lung is a primary defense organism against environmental toxins. It could be that impaired pulmonary function could lead to decreased tolerance against these toxins." A larger lung capacity not only improves stamina but generally results in better overall health."


Source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/22608-breathing-exercises-increase-lung-capacity/


"The greater your lung capacity, the more likely you will do well in sports that require good stamina. This is not always the case. There are other factors that may affect your stamina. Runners, both long distance and short distance, generally have large lung capacity, as do swimmers."


Lung size alone doesn't mean better stamina as this article from "Let's talk Science" points out. However, if the other factors (heart size, HR and RBC) are adequate as the next article (about horses; works the same way for other mammals, too, though) by Lynn K. Jorris states:


"Physically, one thing a successful horse needs is adequate lung capacity. Another is an efficient heart muscle. [...] A horse tires when oxygen debt makes his muscles ache. A larger, more efficient heart enables those muscles to receive optimum oxygen for a longer period of time, provided that lung capacity is more than adequate. This therefore increases stamina."


Here is again the data on lung/heart size and RBC. Here's what can be found on HR in lions and tigers:


Stamina resting heart

"Heart rate of lions ranged from 42 to 76 beats per minute (bpm). Heart rate of tigers ranged from 56 to 97 bpm. In both species, the most common rhythm detected was normal sinus rhythm followed by sinus arrhythmia."



Source: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/205/18/2897.full.pdf

Source: http://www.molekularesystematik.uni-oldenburg.de/download/Publications/OBEdissertation.pdf


Now, with that knowledge it isn't difficult to determine which animal would have better stamina.

 

[Battle Cat]

The Asiatic lion is not talked about much. I even did not know it existed before reading up on it. It is interesting to know that a lion lives outside of Africa. Hopefully humans will stop expanding so much and leave some space for the animals.

Yes its a shame to loose species like that, I wish the Caspian tiger was still around, so many hunters killed them and got rid of them. The barbary lion was another extinct lion species among the most amazing powerful and agile, it was solitary and it was often used in the gladiator fights in Rome, they killed thousands of them, then later the locals all killed them off. There are some decedents in certain zoos in Europe like in London, but there not very closely related though.

Asiatic lions used to be very wide spred over India again it was the hunters the invention of guns that hurt them so much, before that there were lions in Europe closely related to the Asiatics, they were also used in Rome in the arena fights and became extinct, they were the European lion, very similar to the Asiatic. Before that there was the cave lion, it may have been maneless and it was the biggest cat, it used to hunt bears and go in caves after them, it is said that the lions of today still are related to the cave lion.

But yeah there is a small group of Asiatic lions in India, I think they actually might do ok, hopefully, people seem to have more awareness now, sadly the Siberian tiger is also not doing that well either but there still there though.

 

[Silver Prime]

Prime very interesting about Merlin Perkins, that is now another person who says the tiger has poor endurance. Plus it coincides with what Leofwin proved recently with studies that lion has greater endurance.
Tigers like all cats are designed for sudden burst of speed but that kind of body type structure and muscle structure is poor for endurance. The dog family far exceeds the cat family on endurance, and dogs are not as fast in sudden burst of movement. All cats are though, but except the lion, so why would that be then, because the lion has swapped some of its whole body speed for endurance. The lion's agility is more in line with the dog family then most cats like the tiger.

Here is a post by Leofwin, with a study and data proving the lion has more endurance then the tiger. This now backs up Beatty's observations and Perkins.

Yeah, I wouldent wanna get in the way of leofwin when hes explaining science...hes like a mad run away train. lol Yeah to me even if the tiger had equal or greater stamina, the mane will still pull to much time bide-ing, thats like a pro boxer wearing a head gear when he fights...it soften the blows until you can land a haymaker...which lions usually throws. The lions mane is more unique than most people know...its a hell of a leverage in a fight in so many ways that its not even funny.

But as for jackjack aka kingtheropod, go ahead bro post his Roman accounts, I highlighted all mine showing they were from rome in red, its irrefutable now, since you told me he cryed they aint from rome or affiliated I got more links that said they were, let me see If I can turn his hopes an dreams into a nightmare...so Game on! lets do this! XD