Lion vs. Tiger

[God Mode]

How many household cat sized lions would it take to kill a tiger?

 

[Silver Prime]

I'm baffled to hear constantly that all the experts, trainers and owners or any one who has experince with lions and tigers have gave there opinion a tiger would win in a fight...so I did a little research, an I found only a hand full, not quite the repertwah of the abundentcy as most claims.

Heres a list of experts who have mainstream experince, of majority of there lives being around tigers and lions.

Experts who favor the lion in a fight with a tiger


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David salmoni

Salmoni wears many hats. He's a zoologist, a renowned animal trainer, a television presenter and a producer with his own South Africa-based production company, Triosphere. And, Salmoni successfully has been able to marry all these titles, emphasizing one common denominator — his love for animals. In 1998, Salmoni began his apprenticeship as an animal trainer at Bowmanville Zoological Park near Toronto, one of the world's largest humane-credited providers of highly trained animals. Salmoni focused on large cat training and has been training large cats as well as other predators since then.Salmoni was offered a life-changing opportunity to be the first to travel with two captive-bred Bengal tigers to Africa and train them how to hunt and survive in the wild. Salmoni combined his trainer and zoology techniques to achieve this conservation goal, which was documented in Discovery Channel's Living with Tigers. Following this experience, Salmoni lived among African lions for three months in an attempt to show that lions and humans can co exsist in the same area; this journey was captured in the documentary Into the Lion's Den.
David salmoni says:
He’d give the edge to a lion in a fight with a tiger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A64glNYb-NM
http://animal.discovery.com/tv/after-the-attack/dave-salmoni/dave-salmoni.html
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---{2008}---

Animal planet
http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/animal_planet_logo.gif
Team of zoologist enthusiast and scientist, concluded the lion would win in a fight with a tiger…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PHs-kbypo
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Sam Stephens
A Zoologist from New Zealand for Animal Planet, said:
"A male lion spends the first 4 years of its life just developing him self into a fighting machine, its his whole focus fighting to take over a pride, defending it for others." Dave Salmoni a tiger guy, later agreed with her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2z-47pCb2g
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Isabell Thomas
http://bks2.books.google.com/books?...SJPJ0dTf-8fYpdc7L01MFQxKZ-8svXXhBHsuZCXb0****
Each book in this high-interest series compares two exciting animals and looks at how thwy are equipped to survive and defend themselves against preadtors in the wild. Each spread focuses on one particular aspect of the animals, such as teeth, claws, speed, endurance, camouflage, habitat, predator/prey relationships, or hunting techniques.
Heinemann-Raintree Library,
Isabell gives the fight slightly to the lion due to his protective mane….
http://books.google.com/books?id=o4...=ISO-8859-1&output=html&source=gbs_navlinks_s
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Dr. Antle Bhagavan of Big Cat Rescue
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"You gotta have mild-mannered lions and tigers," Antle said. "Normally the lion will kill the tigers. "These are just some of my observations over the last 24 years as I have trained some 400 big cats and met hundreds more. By big cats, I only mean the Panthera family (lions, tigers, leopard, jaguars and hybrids) all the rest are in a different category and the small cats (including cheetah and pumas) are in a different class. "They will kill you, but it is not with the same intent and aggressive behavior. Male lions are 100 times harder to train than tigers.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_Clr5RjvqTpoGGwtFpwLOPN
http://www.rexano.org/ResponsibleOwnership/Husbandry/big_cat_training_Frame.htm
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Elizabeth marshall thomas

One of the most widely read American anthropologists, Elizabeth Marshall Thomas has observed dogs, cats, and elephants during her half-century-long career. In the 1980s Thomas studied elephants alongside Katy Payne—the scientist who discovered elephants' communication via infrasound. In 1993 Thomas wrote The Hidden Life of Dogs, a groundbreaking work of animal psychology that spent nearly a year on the New York Times bestseller list. Her book on cats, Tribe of Tiger, was also an international bestseller. She lives in Peterborough, New Hampshire, on her family's former farm, where she observes deer, bobcats, bear, and many other species of wildlife.
~Even the biggest of tigers feared male lions
The Tribe of Tiger
http://books.google.com/books?id=3e...a=X&ei=zaKJUIfCAcWdiALksoGgDg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA
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Tiger territory

As a consequence, I have spent a great deal of time researching this and talking with people whose careers studying Carnivora extend back some 25 years. Together we have searched for historically documented evidence from which this article has been drawn.
It should be understood that the question is exceedingly difficult to answer as historic records on this type of event are few and far between.
The film showed that the tiger was at an immediate disadvantage. Tigers use a throat grip as their primary means of killing and*the lion's thick protective mane prevented the tiger gaining a hold on the throat joint. On the other hand, the tiger*had no special protection, so was vulnerable to attack.
In this fight, the tiger was killed.
These films back up current*expert opinion, including some from Leeds University, regarding the potential result of conflict between these two animals. It is considered that exactly the same outcome would occur given a modern battle between the lion and the tiger.

http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict7.html
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/
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Siegfried and Roy

Siegfried Fischbacher born June 13, 1939, Rosenheim, Bavaria and Roy Horn born October 3, 1944, Nordenham were born and raised in Germany. They immigrated to the United States and became naturalized citizens.
Siegfried is a traditional magician, or illusionist, while Roy grew up among exotic animals.
They met in 1959 when they both found work on a German ocean liner. Siegfried was a cabin steward and Roy a waiter. Siegfried began performing magic for some of the passengers, eventually being allowed to have his own show, with Roy as his assistant. Unknown to the crew, Roy had smuggled a cheetah named Chico aboard the vessel (Penn Jillette suggested on his radio show that it was an ocelot). Roy had come to know Chico from his frequent visits to the Bremer Zoo in Germany. After developing their show they were given an engagement in Las Vegas. In 1972 they received an award for the best show of the year. In 1990 they were hired by Steve Wynn, the manager of The Mirage, for an annual guarantee of $57.5 million. In 2001, they signed a lifetime contract with the hotel. The duo has appeared in around 5,750 shows together, mostly at The Mirage. Their long-running illusion and magic act closed October 3, 2003 (Roy's birthday) after Roy was severely injured by Montecore, one of the act's tigers, during a performance.
On:"The personality traits of lions and tigers are
very different."

Roy said:
" A lion is tough," Roy explained. " A tiger is veryversatile, very flexible, also forgiving. When you have a confrontation wit him, he is a lot quicker to forgive whatever the situation is than the lion. The lion forgets nothing. And he will make sure you understand that."

http://www.amazon.com/Siegfried-Roys.../dp/0964909650
http://www.amazon.com/Siegfried-Roys...t/dp/096490965
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Marco peters

One on one a lion usually whips a tiger, twice he seen tigers win, it was the biggest tiger against the smallest lion...the tiger is a coward said peters, he wont take on the strongest lion, you know who he attacks? The little female.
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Tippi hedren

http://www.rexano.org/TIPPI/kitchen-tiger.jpg
THE CATS OF SHAMBALA 1985 By Tippi Hedren and Theodore Taylor Page 176, tigers are the original scaredy-cat. Although most ferocious under certain conditions, adults are scared silly over numerous odd things. Thunder and Lightning which a lion takes in stride, panics a tiger. Silver reflectors scare tigers, if you want to take over a room full of tigers walk in wearing a silver suit. In the movie ROAR a big siberian tiger name ivan backs down from a tiny lion cub. Tippi Hedren is a former actress that has lions and tigers and other animals on her compound in Acton, Ca.
~ The movie named Roar" had affiliated tigers an lions in an abundentcy, having most of the lions harass an dominate tigers...144 big cats are owned by Tippi an her family.
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Kailash sankhala

Kailash Sankhala (1925–1994) was a renowned naturalist and conservationist of India. He was the director of Delhi Zoological Park and Chief Wildlife Warden of Rajasthan. Born on 30 January 1925 he is best known for his work in preserving tigers. He was well known around the globe as the Tiger Man, and was involved in the formation of Project Tiger, the world's largest wildlife conservation programme set up in India in 1972.
Kailash Shankhala was first conservationist who raised voice in favour of protecting the tiger as early as 1956. He spearheaded the crusade and succeeded in helping rescue the species from the brink of extinction when hunting tiger was in practice. He carried through this challenging mission with untiring energy and dedication even at the risk of his career and death threats. He conducted an extensive study under the Jawahar Lal Nehru felloship during a time when tiger population was dwindling at an alarming rate due to poaching and hunting. His research later lead him to launch the Project Tiger in 1973. He was founding director of the Project Tiger in 1973.
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Roger brown

~Essays in Memory of Imre Lakatos
By R. Robert Sonné Cohen
In a circus act merdous fights are possible the tigers are likely to lose these battles.
http://books.google.com/books?id=j_...a=X&ei=3B2HUKbEAof0iQLyjIHADA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
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Trainer from Beatty cole
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St petersburg times nov 29 1976
Lions are more agressive than tigers contrary to what people think...Sometimes you’ll have a lion eating a tiger.
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Marlin perkins
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Initially, a tiger would win for its greater burst of speed and strength. However, tigers have no stamina. If the lion could hold out for ~1 minute, it would defeat the exhausted tiger.
As Mr. Marlin Perkins tells it, however, "a real tiger won't attack a rhinoceros just for the hell of it, any more than he will sleep on his back in lion country."
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Naval Safety Center, 1972
http://books.google.com/books?id=O3...a=X&ei=umXuUJHRJ47yigLUjIHICg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAg
http://www.google.com/search?q=Marlin+perkins+lion+tiger+fight+&tbm=bks&tbo=1
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Dave hoover

As a boy, Dave Hoover always wanted to be a vet. After training with a vet at the Cincinnati Zoo, however, he decided he was "too squeamish" for the job. "I couldn’t stand the sight of blood-the animals or my own," he recalled. His stint at the Zoo turned him away from veterinary medicine, but it turned his love of animals in a different direction-a fascination with the "big cats," the lions & tigers who instill terror in the hearts of man & beast alike.

With whip, chair & blank pistol, he puts the cats thru the paces in a "fighting style" performance that has all butdisappeared from the modern circus scene. The amiable, outgoing Hoover was a protege of the late Clyde Beatty, considered by some to be the greatest wild animal trainer who ever lived.

Dave said: lions are the better fighter’s.
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Caroll soo-hoo Sanfrisco zoo
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The Zoo was originally called The Herbert Fleishhacker Zoo, after its founder. The official name of the Zoo – The San Francisco Zoological Gardens – was adopted February 27, 1941, following the suggestion of Herbert Fleishhacker.

Apperntly know’s lion’s are capable of killing male siberian tiger’s even if the lion is old an the tiger is in his prime…
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/...hamp/Atigerissupposedtowinafightwithalion.jpg
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Roman Proske
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Born in Vienna 1898 Herman Roman Gustav Proske von walch ran away from home at age 13 to join the circus. He toured Europe and asia, and journyed to africa where he tamed his first lion to perform death-defying feats.Proske dident like like whips chairs or other props in his act. He preffered a more humane approach sitting for hours with his big cats until they got used to his presence. Ring master Fred bradna hailed Proske as the greatest wild animal trainer in the world.

Roman Proske states:
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http://www.ohio.com/lifestyle/histo...-gardens-at-summit-beach-park-in-1941-1.82412
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Louis roth
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Animal Trainer of over 40 year’s in the bisness and Expert Louis Roth, favors the lion over the tiger in a fight. In his book
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Louis-Roth.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SpL5bJ1OS...c/ylGuGL8eW44/s1600/F5859+louis+Roth+1920.jpg
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Melvin B tolson

Caviar and Cabbage [Book] Melvin B. Tolson
Tolson was the professor, poet and writer portrayed by Denzel Washington in The Great Debaters , which is based on a true story from 1935 America. Saying the title King doesent belong to the tiger, it belong’s to the lion for unity.
http://www.marcnorton.us/93588/102643.html
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Burt nelson

Bert nelson said: A lion would jump a strange tiger without cerimony "nelson explianed" And that might prove fatal to the tiger. For lions you see, with great power and fearless attack easly whips tigers.
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Edward Jewitt Wheeler

All these experts Isaac Kaufman Funk, William Seaver Woods, Arthur Stimson Draper, Wilfred John Funkagreed and stated:
Between natural enemies of the cat family proved
conclusively that the fighting prowess of the lion is superior to that of the tiger
Funk and Wagnalls, 1933
The Literary digest:2nd colome down.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Isac+kaufman+funk+tiger+the+lion+is+superior+&tbm=bks&tbo=1

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Clyde beatty

Animal Tamer an trainer of 40 year’s training Hyena’s, Leopard’s, Jaguar’s, Wolve’s, Tiger’s, Cheetah’s, Bear’s, Puma’s, Lion’s, an more the God father animal expert Clyde*carved out a stellar reputation in circus annals as the undisputed wild animal master.
He became an astute showman and businessman with his*services as both a top performer and circus co-owner*in high demand.*Innumerable circuses featured Beatty, with appropriate star billing, as the*unrivaled crowd pleaser*of their shows.Over the years he was sole proprietor of several touring circuses, all of which were greeted with*popular acclaim and much success.
In 1944*he formed his own Clyde Beatty Circus, a huge endeavor which traveled by rails, and featured the finest performers*from the world of the circus.*His self-titled circus*continued as a major tented show. Through the years that*followed and even after his death, the Clyde Beatty title has always been*associated with top flight entertainment, a tradition carried on today with the current incarnation of the much acclaimed CLYDE BEATTY CIRCUS.
Mr. Clyde Beatty said: I think lions will win 9/10 against tigers in a fight.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books-83.jpg
http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/560/The-God-Father-Animal-Trainer-Clyde-Beatty
http://www.beattycircus.com/clyde_beatty.html
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William H. Blackburne

Chained-up lion defeats tiger 5 times
“The lion is the king of among beasts in other ways than in looks. I once put a big tiger in a cage with a lion, chaining the lion but giving him slack enough to stand up and turn around. It was a night parade and the red fire was burned on the top of my wagon and the animals became greatly excited. The tiger pounced on the lion but I stopped the battle with the stool upon which I had been setting. Later the fight was renewed, the lion knocking the tiger down five times.”
Source: William H. Blackburne, head keeper of the National Zoological Park, 1929
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Courtney cooper

Animal Expert an Tamer Courtney cooper,
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Courtney ryley cooper born in Kansas city missori on october 31 1886 at the age of 16 he left home to join the circus. Who worked multiple jobs form animal trainer, all the way up to circus manager.
In his book he state’s
LIONS"N"TIGERS"N"EVERYTHING 1924 By Courtney Riley Cooper.
Page 68, lions are "King Of Beasts"
Page 70, lion kills a tiger in a very brutal fight.
Page 78, Cooper says lion is "King Of Beasts" and a good father.
Pages 84-85, FEMALE tiger kills heavier MALE tiger defending her cubs.
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[url]http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0177960/[/url]

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[b][u]Jam Sahib[/u][/b]
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Jam sahib exploit’s bias cat enthusiasist “Karish singe” an witnesses 4 ocasian’s lion’s beat tiger’s an give’s his opinon on lion’s.
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[b][u]George conklin[/u][/b]

Circus performer an big cat owner Geroge conklin say’s in his book the male lion has the advantages over other cat’s: The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane which is an advantage.
[url]http://books.google.com/books/about/The_ways_of_the_circus.html?id=sbzZMD7BRNEC[/url]
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[b][u]Circus history[/u][/b]
The mengerine…Lions will not stay in the same cage with tigers. We tried this once, putting a lioness in with a Bengal tiger. There was a fierce fight and the lioness nearly killed the Bengal."Chapter V11
[url]http://www.circushistory.org/History/OnRoad2.htm[/url]
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[b][u]The quiver[/u][/b]

Tigers avoids lions
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=w-9MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=lion+tiger+avoided+combat&source=bl&ots=F-gBFHhbez&sig=sjpgzXZ35URQFAgkUHLvT4_TNo0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LoAfUJmvJuLJiwKh0oHoCw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA[/url]

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[b][u]Sir Samuel w. baker[/u][/b]
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BAKER, Sir SAMUEL WHITE (1821-1893), traveller and sportsman, born in London on 8 June 1821, was the second son of Samuel Baker of Lypiatt Park, Gloucestershire, by Mary, daughter of Thomas Dobson of Enfield. His father was a West India merchant, possessing considerable property in Jamaica and Mauritius,
Cin Egypt, and between 1879 and 1892 visited India seven times, and almost to the end of life bis vigorous health enabled him to maintain his reputation as the greatest living hunter of big game. In whatever quarter of the globe he chanced to be, whether in pursuit of elephants in Africa and Ceylon, tiger-hunting in the central provinces in India, deer-stalking in Japan, bear-shooting in the Eocky Mountains, this iron-nerved sportsman ever proved his ability to excel all others. He himself regarded the pursuit of dangerous game as the best training for either an explorer or a soldier {True Tales for my Grandsons, p. 176), and to his own experiences in the jungle and on the plain the development of his remarkable tenacity and resource as an explorer was doubtless in great part due.

:Has carefully compared the strength and other qualitie’s of the lion an tiger an he decide’s in favor of the lion.
[url]http://www.oldandsold.com/articles35/animals-2.shtml[/url]
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=5XFRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA762&lpg=PA762&dq=sir+samuel+baker+lions+and+tigers+book&source=bl&ots=vytNsXChw7&sig=pbFGbyGmNsYlG4GzpAyy_us2C6o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5JHBT_XeN4aUiQLH4oHjBw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAw[/url]
[url]http://www.hotfreebooks.com/book/Wild-Beasts-and-their-Ways-Sir-Samuel-W-Baker--6.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Baker,_Samuel_White_(DNB01[/url])
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[b][u]The childrens hour[/u][/b]

Edited by T. S. Arthur
2 lions on one tiger is too much
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=9-kaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA166&lpg=RA1-PA166&dq=lions+better+fighters++tigers&source=bl&ots=L2zJSGeZ1K&sig=BQZW9HO646T41rqopL0XjuYtleE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JJAxUK-LL8rTigLS-YGYBg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw[/url]
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=9-kaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA167&lpg=RA1-PA166&ots=L2zJSGeZ1K&dq=lions+better+fighters++tigers&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html[/url]
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Lion defeats tiger to rescue man

"The ferocity of the tiger's disposition has been exaggerated; but although capable of being made quite gentle, they are unreliable in their habits, and apt at any instant to attempt the gratification of a blood-thirsty disposition. Keepers of menageries, however much confidence they may feel in the friendship of the "king of beasts," are always nervous about the tiger, and cautious in their movements. We think it was Van Amberg who was unexpectedly set upon by a tiger, when the lion came to his rescue, and actually threw the tiger down, and held him fast until the man escaped."

Source: [url]http://www.harpers.org/archive/1855/05/0037640[/url]
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[b][u]The Encyclopaedia Britannica[/u][/b]

The tiger is the more common animal in india abounding in all the forest and jungles from the mouth of the ganges to the himlayian mountains, he is not quite equal to the strength to the lion but he is superior in activity.
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=yVlBAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA382&dq=lion+tiger++fight+Himalayas&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mlKQULnwJ6f5igLcnoCwAg&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBQ[/url]
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Animal new’s article having a trainer of all animal’s…saying lion’s were the most dominate animal and feared more above tiger’s.
[url]http://www.cqout.com/item.asp?id=12636137[/url]

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Tiger’s avoid lion’s in combat
Army and Navy chronicle, Volume 6
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=Q_kRAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA411&lpg=RA1-PA411&dq=ancient+lion+battle+tiger+fight&source=bl&ots=6SgbuGhV-3&sig=NVNf1GQYYoCLvPysS7qQmB2U3Qc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tXkfUN3QM4vnigLR9oGQDQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBjhG[/url]
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[b][u]W. Blackwood & Sons[/u][/b]

lion dominate’s an chases tiger around the arena in Rome
Blackwood's Edinburgh magazine, Volume 27
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=Bx1lkqo4q8YC&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=ancient+lion+battle+tiger+fight&source=bl&ots=oQP1EtnaeB&sig=OJogE0OvxMuNQxhCBmuOCJBVYmM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VXIfUKbHKOzqiQKPwYHICg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA[/url]
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[b][u]A natural history of the most remarkable quadrupeds.[/u][/b]

The lion not the tiger is the unbdisputed King of the forest
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=8icYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=lions+undisputed+fighter+tiger&source=bl&ots=Ay1UmC74cw&sig=TrqQL7rHRl7AXgskSoPbAmW9lHA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_5QxUOrNK8r2iwK2-ICwBQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA[/url]
Printed by C. and C. Whittingham, 1825
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[b][u]The Asiatic journal and monthly miscellany[/b][/u]

The lion is so powerful an animal as the tiger, but he fights much better. A tiger will make his attack, and then retire ; but a lion never retreats ; he fights until- he is killed.
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=ZWN3-payo_8C&pg=PA331&lpg=PA331&dq=lions+slayed+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=Q9RLRCwtLl&sig=T9BeweLp0Y8d147ni5sjyu3SXlU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yYQIUOGCCKuI2gX0mpjSBw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA[/url]
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=xXEAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA254&lpg=PA254&dq=poetry+lion+fight+tiger+kill+won&source=bl&ots=5WQPUb0gQ7&sig=gWEX_w7GoC6SY7Qs0jKBebxgMqs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qQNgULTJOaP1igLuwIHQBA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAg[/url]
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[b][u]Edward Griffith[/u][/b]

The tiger is inferior an fears the lion
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=XMAyAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA31&dq=lion+tiger+arranged+combat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wJSPULe6O-GgigKMq4CABA&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBg[/url]

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[b][u]Oliver Goldsmith[/u][/b]

Ranked the lion over the tiger.
[url]http://www.scharlau.co.uk/scharlau.co.uk/prints/images/lions4701.jpg[/url]
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=0axEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA395&lpg=PA395&dq=oliver+goldsmith+lions'&source=bl&ots=g1TAll-5xC&sig=DGi-ZspT444D1ZdbX5jYWUItBO4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oEu7T_L7OaiviALuyoXVDQ&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA[/url]
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[b][u]Dr.Sc Giuliano Russini[/u][/b]

~view on Lions and Tigers.

...African lion presents phenomena of aggressiveness which, contrary to what is thought render it more dangerous in the wild than the tiger and more difficult to manage in captivity, as observed by the zoological biologists.... This caused by overheating corporeal overheating phenomena, is in fact a handicap in case of prolonged fights, drawback not found in the lion who, as they say, “will struggle up to the death”.Same can be said for the fighting techniques, which all stand in favour of the Panthera leo ,accustomed, as it is, to face in the savannah a great variety of preys and competitors, in comparison with the solitary tiger....
[url]http://www.photomazza.com/?Panthera-tigris[/url]

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Sorry I cant show a pic for each person, this site only allows 10 pictures per post. The most intresting quota was by Mr. Dave hoover who said, a tiger trainer will say the tiger and a lion trainer will say the lion, well I have worked with [b]Both[/b] an have the scars to prove it...an with out a dought the lion is the tougher of the 2 cats...which you can forget about who he choose an analyze his words of "Both"...majority of the trainers an experts who favored the tiger havent even worked with a lion, so they would know just as much as the average person.

An to make a side note, there are very few trainers to experts that had ever experinced an wittnessed a [b]lion fighting a tiger[/b] not just a lion fighting a lion or a tiger fighting a tiger but a lion fighting a tiger, like Dave hoover, Bert nelson, Jam sahib, Courtney cooper, Louis roth, Kailash sankhala, an Clyde beatty...in terms they are giving higher credability to a lion and tiger fighting upoun [b]Experince[/b] see-ing that...others like Craig packer, Big cat rescue, re-wilding china ect ect havent any affiliation with see-ing them fight...so there credability is diminished to only an opinion just a little higher than the average person.

I'm merely sharing data for educational purposes, so if someone was to link a counter debate in accumilating experts that favor the tiger, then please have it in atleast "chronological order" as like I have with these up above, that way there is no miss-leading the amount by repeating an consealing the same person or article your alibing more than once...Thanks hope to see a good accumilation amount for the tiger too. ^_^

 

[SearchMaster]

Just when I thought I'd seen it all, we managed to scrape up the preeminent authority on interspecies battles in the world. Bravo, ATOT...bravo.

 

[WelshBloke]

How many household cat sized lions would it take to kill a tiger?

Do we get to launch them from a make shift cat launcher made from one of those tennis ball cannons? A proper cat-apult if you like.

 

[Juddog]

Bleh all the videos I had listed were taken down by youtube for content infringement.

 

[WelshBloke]

Bleh all the videos I had listed were taken down by youtube for content infringement.

It's a conspiracy I tell you.

The pro lion fanboys are out to jinx your pro tiger campaign.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

That's too bad. I'd love to see pictures of the back area, 'cause I'm not sure what the fuck the staff is doing not having a buffered zone between enclosures, or having any kind of gap large enough for a full paw to stick through. That's just bad animal husbandry.

Having been to several Zoos in Europe, I can say with authority that they are not at all up to American (or other) standards. E.g., the zoo in Ostrava Czech republic has hippos in enclosures that are immediately adjacent a walking path. Walkers could easily put their hands/arms through the bars and pet the hippos if they wanted to, and many did.

The chimp enclosure was similar. Fairly wide, open bars. Close to observation area. During our visit in 2003, my brother found out the hard way that it is not wise to make faces or otherwise taunt chimps. One of them sh!t in its hand and threw its feces on my brothers shoes when my brother made faces at it. Would say that the chimp had good aim, but we were only 5-6 feet away. Too bad the chimp did not get him in the face.

 

[Juddog]

It's a conspiracy I tell you.

The pro lion fanboys are out to jinx your pro tiger campaign.

They are nuts; dig around online and you'll find this lion vs tiger debate argued more times then there are bengal tigers left in the world.

The fact of the matter is that the fight can go either way, determined by a number of factors, but in general the tiger has a slight edge, so they win a slight majority of fights in captivity.

The way Silver Prime posts, you'd think that the lions won almost every single fight, which simply isn't true. The videos from some of the the zoos in China and Korea (where they have both types of cats in the same confined area) that are all over youtube show that pretty clearly, and give an idea of how an actual fight would typically go. Most of them (the videos) are from a zoo called "everland". If you do a youtube search on "everland lion vs tiger", you should see a bunch of videos that show the actual fights, mirrored from the content that was taken down.

The funniest part of the debate is the one-siders (those who say one side almost always win over the others) typically don't like to watch the actual videos of the cats fighting, instead relying on the word of trainers, etc.. It's kind of like debating who would win in an MMA fight, then ignoring the actual fight(s) (e.g. some of the Brock Lesnar or Kimbo Slice fanboys).

 

[OBLAMA2009]

even dave salmoni admits that the tiger is much larger, is more used to killing things (because the male lion doesnt hunt) and is more vicious/ruthless.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

How many household cat sized lions would it take to kill a tiger?

could you imagine how much someone could make if they bred a housecat with a mane like a lion? that would be so cool

 

[Juddog]

could you imagine how much someone could make if they bred a housecat with a mane like a lion? that would be so cool

Does the maine my excellent compatriot breed count?
http://www.maine-my excellent compatriot-cat-nation.com/image-files/classic-maine-my excellent compatriot-male.jpg

 

[momeNt]

They are nuts; dig around online and you'll find this lion vs tiger debate argued more times then there are bengal tigers left in the world.

The fact of the matter is that the fight can go either way, determined by a number of factors, but in general the tiger has a slight edge, so they win a slight majority of fights in captivity.

The way Silver Prime posts, you'd think that the lions won almost every single fight, which simply isn't true. The videos from some of the the zoos in China and Korea (where they have both types of cats in the same confined area) that are all over youtube show that pretty clearly, and give an idea of how an actual fight would typically go. Most of them (the videos) are from a zoo called "everland". If you do a youtube search on "everland lion vs tiger", you should see a bunch of videos that show the actual fights, mirrored from the content that was taken down.

The funniest part of the debate is the one-siders (those who say one side almost always win over the others) typically don't like to watch the actual videos of the cats fighting, instead relying on the word of trainers, etc.. It's kind of like debating who would win in an MMA fight, then ignoring the actual fight(s) (e.g. some of the Brock Lesnar or Kimbo Slice fanboys).

Thinly veiled tiger fanboy rant.

 

[zinfamous]

if only Silver Prime could put his bottomless energy to proper use and help settle the Terminator vs Predator debate for us.

 

[Silver Prime]

They are nuts; dig around online and you'll find this lion vs tiger debate argued more times then there are bengal tigers left in the world.

The fact of the matter is that the fight can go either way, determined by a number of factors, but in general the tiger has a slight edge, so they win a slight majority of fights in captivity.

The way Silver Prime posts, you'd think that the lions won almost every single fight, which simply isn't true. The videos from some of the the zoos in China and Korea (where they have both types of cats in the same confined area) that are all over youtube show that pretty clearly, and give an idea of how an actual fight would typically go. Most of them (the videos) are from a zoo called "everland". If you do a youtube search on "everland lion vs tiger", you should see a bunch of videos that show the actual fights, mirrored from the content that was taken down.

The funniest part of the debate is the one-siders (those who say one side almost always win over the others) typically don't like to watch the actual videos of the cats fighting, instead relying on the word of trainers, etc.. It's kind of like debating who would win in an MMA fight, then ignoring the actual fight(s) (e.g. some of the Brock Lesnar or Kimbo Slice fanboys).

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It isint true?, I posted 150 accounts freindo...I am not being condisending nor do I want to insult you, but think of it as a time parley, all the time you waste just denying that tigers won more...instead, show a list in [Chronological order] of the "more" times a tiger has killed a lion, you speak of. Videos of everland? Are you telling me I cant produce more than 10 fights from everland of a lion not holding his own but dominanting a tiger? I have things in catagorie form...you know...

Death accounts

Experts opinions

Historical artifacts

an attributes...

For the death accounts I dident include everland simply because no tiger or lion was ever reported killed there, at best they minorly scruffle an fight less than medicore for intimidational purposes. But if you wanna cover videos bud, than I think your a little bit of a hyporcite...because you say I denied tiger victories yet my first list said theres 40, then you say tigers are larger, I posted a list of over 400 tigers being weighed by zoologist showing they almost never reach 500 pounds in the wild as an average, along with lions that can reach 800-900 pounds quite easly as long as they are fed like the tiger uhh, solitary eating? You know because a kill in the wild will have to be distributed to 8-30 lions while a tiger can eat his whole kill him self..ahh you already knew that right...not to mention I seen the most extensive weight charts from creditable sites, not big cat rescue, or zoo's, hunters, or yahoo answers or wikipedia type weights where they dont even mention the type of scale they use of variety let alone how much was weighed for credability, they dont...they merely gave estimates.

If you wanna talk about captivity (Deaths) I bet I can. shine a light on one mans experince more than you'll ever produce on lion vs tiger in a whole catagorie of death accounts in captivity...want to go for it?

I'm game.

I love the tiger as much as the lion...but I'm in vendeta mode, I can link you over 10 sites who only shined a light on the tiger...you think thats fair?
I dont.

 

[raildogg]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323984704578207721500297096.html

I never knew lions lived outside of Africa. So I guess lions and tigers can fight in the wild without human involvement. Though I prefer they did not

 

[Silver Prime]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323984704578207721500297096.html

I never knew lions lived outside of Africa. So I guess lions and tigers can fight in the wild without human involvement. Though I prefer they did not

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Uh Huh, they lived in India for thousands of years, over poaching eradicated them out. I did cover a little about India a few pages back if your intrested, but heres a better detailed one I guess...
http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/562/Did-lions-live-in-the-jungle

They also lived in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, armenia, perssia, tons of places lions lived out of africa, you just have to look in historical records that is just not affiliated with a recent censes or anything recent because they will only give a more modern out-look of the land scaping of there habitat of todays numbers...not hundreds to thousands of years ago.

I dont think anyone truley wants them to fight anymore...there are enough records...an unless they triple by ,100,000 both the asiatic lion an bengal tiger...than I wouldent condole it either.

 

[raildogg]

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Uh Huh, they lived in India for thousands of years, over poaching eradicated them out. I did cover a little about India a few pages back if your intrested, but heres a better detailed one I guess...
http://wildanimalelite.yuku.com/topic/562/Did-lions-live-in-the-jungle

They also lived in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, armenia, perssia, tons of places lions lived out of africa, you just have to look in historical records that is just not affiliated with a recent censes or anything recent because they will only give a more modern out-look of the land scaping of there habitat of todays numbers...not hundreds to thousands of years ago.

I dont think anyone truley wants them to fight anymore...there are enough records...an unless they triple by ,100,000 both the asiatic lion an bengal tiger...than I wouldent condole it either.

It's amazing how we humans have totally disregarded nature to the point of animals going extinct. It's a shame that these animals have to be protected with laws rather than humans simply leaving them alone or trying to live beside them. We need laws to safeguard animals! Wow. It's kind of weird that the more modern man gets, the more damage he does to the earth. Maybe there's a correlation, who knows.

Anyway, great job with the detailed descriptions. Thank you.

 

[Silver Prime]

It's amazing how we humans have totally disregarded nature to the point of animals going extinct. It's a shame that these animals have to be protected with laws rather than humans simply leaving them alone or trying to live beside them. We need laws to safeguard animals! Wow. It's kind of weird that the more modern man gets, the more damage he does to the earth. Maybe there's a correlation, who knows.

Anyway, great job with the detailed descriptions. Thank you.

I totally agree. There are very few that have co-exsisted with them that have a balance...for instance africans an Indians, they have great respect for there animals an have very little disturbance in lions an tigers over all speices health...sure they kill them from time to time as in protecting them selves to minor adult hood territorial clashes but they allow them to replinish an recover there well beings...once guns came into play...it became sport an all hell broke loose.

Mainly for the british, an other white folks...who fancy themselve trophy hunters. That is when the entire speices were beggining to get wiped out, for lions more so in India more than tigers simply because lions live in the open which is fair game an alot easyer to spot also they barley have anything to fear other than experince-ing an encountering a blood lusted hunter, thats why theres only around 300 asiatic lions left in the wild of Inida when there once was 200,000 thousand that inhabitated vast spaces from india all the way to persia an even near russia. The laws really arnt inforce-ing anything... a few weeks ago they poisioned a male bengal tiger that was just relocated into the wild...so law inforcement will only be strong if they incorperate stricter penaltys...I'd go with if you kill a lion or tiger the penalty will be not only to kill you...but your entire intermidiate family....lol

A bit strict, but these are crucial times, an the people need to understand that this is there last strive, once there gone...poof there gone for good...an our great grand children or so on will only be able to hear about lions an tiger in fables an legends like dragons an stuff. But the chinese too are doing the most poorest jobs, some try but majority of them have a high demand of digesting parts of the tiger for verlity an sexual inhancements...huh! Hey if god wanted asians to have small penises then it is what it is...eating a tiger penis isint going to make them any bigger. XD

But I do agree that some actions must be taken into concideration in order to preserve there speices...even dire actions is nessisary. But I'm glad your enjoying the info...me too...I wanna learn more about there history because who knows...maybe there will be more ways then one to help them survive as long as possible...an I'm game in helping. ^_^

 

[Battle Cat]

They are nuts; dig around online and you'll find this lion vs tiger debate argued more times then there are bengal tigers left in the world.

The fact of the matter is that the fight can go either way, determined by a number of factors, but in general the tiger has a slight edge, so they win a slight majority of fights in captivity.

The way Silver Prime posts, you'd think that the lions won almost every single fight, which simply isn't true. The videos from some of the the zoos in China and Korea (where they have both types of cats in the same confined area) that are all over youtube show that pretty clearly, and give an idea of how an actual fight would typically go. Most of them (the videos) are from a zoo called "everland". If you do a youtube search on "everland lion vs tiger", you should see a bunch of videos that show the actual fights, mirrored from the content that was taken down.

The funniest part of the debate is the one-siders (those who say one side almost always win over the others) typically don't like to watch the actual videos of the cats fighting, instead relying on the word of trainers, etc.. It's kind of like debating who would win in an MMA fight, then ignoring the actual fight(s) (e.g. some of the Brock Lesnar or Kimbo Slice fanboys).

Actually your wrong, Ive looked at all the videos in Everland and every other fight as well, over and over again. The lion actually dominates pretty well. The best the tiger does is get in a few quick swipes on the side of the lions face as the lion sticks its nose at it. There are far longer amounts of footage showing lions beating tigers then tigers beating lions, and there are far more clips of tigers running from lions then the other way around.

The video evidence also shows the lion uses its head and neck far more in fighting then the tiger, the tigers neck and head movement is very stiff. Over all the tigers best advantage is its whole body movement agility and its gripping strength. But other then that, the lion has more endurance, the lion stands taller with a longer reach and bigger stronger shoulders for more power in striking. The lion is wired differently mentally then the tiger, Roy Horn one of the best trainers ever has confirmed this, there not the same cat mentally. And the lion also has heavier bones then the tiger, there more robust.

Avoiding the videos, not even close, I wish they would release all the videos in Everland, because the all the ones we have show the lion is clearly dominant over the tiger. Again can tiger beat a lion, yes, but it needs an advantage a setting that helps it. Out in the open in a large arena like in Rome that is flat, I would bet it is almost impossible for the tiger to beat a lion. There are no clips, I repeat no clips in Everland of a tiger grabing a lion by the mane and throwing it down, there are virtually no clips in Everland of a tiger knocking a lion over with one swipe, there are no clips in Everland of a tiger taking a lion down and getting it in a joke hold like in the Big cage fight. Why is this? There is reason for it, because Everland is not in a cage.

Its out in the open, its not in a cage with pedestals every where crowding up the place. Out in the open, the lion's agility is not hampered, its designed for flat open places, and in those places it moves very well, there are many clips of lions in everland evading tigers lunges or swipes always keeping just out of the way of being grabbed or bit. The lion is very skillful in how it uses space. The tiger has a better chance in a little cluttered cage, because there it can maneuver around better then the lion, and the lion has less room to back up and evade the tigers holds.

But even there the top mix cat trainers of old, Beatty, Hoover, Nelson and others all said the lion was dominant in fights over the tiger. And Hoover had all bengals, and his lions were mixed, and Hoover used and even amount of tigers and lions.

As far as tigers being bigger, tigers hunting records were exagerated to please the kings on hunts. This is according to Sunquist, he him self said he didn't even know of a tiger personally that was over 600 pounds. Lions and tiger weights are very similar, and in captivity there much the same because there fed the same.

Out in the wild, lions weights may appear different at times or less then the tiger, because the tiger is a better hunter, hunting equals eating, eating equals weight gain. The tiger has one stage in his life, and its solitary, its always in that stage and is a great hunter who hunts for himself and eats by him self having to share the food with know one.

A wild lion has many stages in his life, from birth he grows up being fed by the lioness's at times there is droughts, the lioness's fight each other they split into smaller groups, the cubs don't get enough to eat, this hurts there growth, some times they die. When the cubs grow up around 3 or 4 they leave there birth pride, at that stage there hunting on there own or with a brother or another nomad, there food intake is not going to be as high as the tiger at this stage. When and if they take over a pride, this is the best stage for the lion to have the highest food intake, because the male has the females hunting for it, so most pride male weights should score high.

But again that is only one stage, and how long does the pride male stage last, it only last 3 to five years, then there run off by another stronger or younger lion. At this point the lion becomes a wanderer, so that means at any point a pride males time may at the point of ending, they are constantly challenged, and according to Kevin Richardson the lion Whisperer there days are numbered at that stage, so my point is what will they register on the scale at the wanderer stage. There not going to tip the scales that much there going to have less food in take then the always solitary tiger at 8 years old.

And on top of that studies show that pack animals have a lower food intake then solitary ones lions all fight over there food tigers don't, so if you add all those circumstances up and realize that not every lion measurement data or weight is a pride male and the weights come from lions also in other stages in there life stages where there not getting as much food, then you can see why there might be the some lower weight fluctuation between the lion and tiger and people might assume the tiger is a bigger animal.

That is why in captivity lions are very much the same weight as tigers, they are getting the same amount of food. The siberian is the biggest cat at this point in captivity not in the wild, but again siberians have the capability to store weight and fat 20% more then bengals or lions, there cold weather animals, so they can put on more weight then lions, and many tigers in captivity are not pure bred bengals anymore there mixed with siberian, so the tigers that the lions fight in Everland are bigger tigers then just pure bred bengals. The lion is also all around bigger as a species then the tiger as a species as well.

 

[Childs]

if only Silver Prime could put his bottomless energy to proper use and help settle the Terminator vs Predator debate for us.

lol I cant believe some people want to relive that thread.

 

[Silver Prime]

Actually your wrong, Ive looked at all the videos in Everland and every other fight as well, over and over again. The lion actually dominates pretty well. The best the tiger does is get in a few quick swipes on the side of the lions face as the lion sticks its nose at it. There are far longer amounts of footage showing lions beating tigers then tigers beating lions, and there are far more clips of tigers running from lions then the other way around.

The video evidence also shows the lion uses its head and neck far more in fighting then the tiger, the tigers neck and head movement is very stiff. Over all the tigers best advantage is its whole body movement agility and its gripping strength. But other then that, the lion has more endurance, the lion stands taller with a longer reach and bigger stronger shoulders for more power in striking. The lion is wired differently mentally then the tiger, Roy Horn one of the best trainers ever has confirmed this, there not the same cat mentally. And the lion also has heavier bones then the tiger, there more robust.

Avoiding the videos, not even close, I wish they would release all the videos in Everland, because the all the ones we have show the lion is clearly dominant over the tiger. Again can tiger beat a lion, yes, but it needs an advantage a setting that helps it. Out in the open in a large arena like in Rome that is flat, I would bet it is almost impossible for the tiger to beat a lion. There are no clips, I repeat no clips in Everland of a tiger grabing a lion by the mane and throwing it down, there are virtually no clips in Everland of a tiger knocking a lion over with one swipe, there are no clips in Everland of a tiger taking a lion down and getting it in a joke hold like in the Big cage fight. Why is this? There is reason for it, because Everland is not in a cage.

Its out in the open, its not in a cage with pedestals every where crowding up the place. Out in the open, the lion's agility is not hampered, its designed for flat open places, and in those places it moves very well, there are many clips of lions in everland evading tigers lunges or swipes always keeping just out of the way of being grabbed or bit. The lion is very skillful in how it uses space. The tiger has a better chance in a little cluttered cage, because there it can maneuver around better then the lion, and the lion has less room to back up and evade the tigers holds.

But even there the top mix cat trainers of old, Beatty, Hoover, Nelson and others all said the lion was dominant in fights over the tiger. And Hoover had all bengals, and his lions were mixed, and Hoover used and even amount of tigers and lions.

As far as tigers being bigger, tigers hunting records were exagerated to please the kings on hunts. This is according to Sunquist, he him self said he didn't even know of a tiger personally that was over 600 pounds. Lions and tiger weights are very similar, and in captivity there much the same because there fed the same.

Out in the wild, lions weights may appear different at times or less then the tiger, because the tiger is a better hunter, hunting equals eating, eating equals weight gain. The tiger has one stage in his life, and its solitary, its always in that stage and is a great hunter who hunts for himself and eats by him self having to share the food with know one.

A wild lion has many stages in his life, from birth he grows up being fed by the lioness's at times there is droughts, the lioness's fight each other they split into smaller groups, the cubs don't get enough to eat, this hurts there growth, some times they die. When the cubs grow up around 3 or 4 they leave there birth pride, at that stage there hunting on there own or with a brother or another nomad, there food intake is not going to be as high as the tiger at this stage. When and if they take over a pride, this is the best stage for the lion to have the highest food intake, because the male has the females hunting for it, so most pride male weights should score high.

But again that is only one stage, and how long does the pride male stage last, it only last 3 to five years, then there run off by another stronger or younger lion. At this point the lion becomes a wanderer, so that means at any point a pride males time may at the point of ending, they are constantly challenged, and according to Kevin Richardson the lion Whisperer there days are numbered at that stage, so my point is what will they register on the scale at the wanderer stage. There not going to tip the scales that much there going to have less food in take then the always solitary tiger at 8 years old.

And on top of that studies show that pack animals have a lower food intake then solitary ones lions all fight over there food tigers don't, so if you add all those circumstances up and realize that not every lion measurement data or weight is a pride male and the weights come from lions also in other stages in there life stages where there not getting as much food, then you can see why there might be the some lower weight fluctuation between the lion and tiger and people might assume the tiger is a bigger animal.

That is why in captivity lions are very much the same weight as tigers, they are getting the same amount of food. The siberian is the biggest cat at this point in captivity not in the wild, but again siberians have the capability to store weight and fat 20% more then bengals or lions, there cold weather animals, so they can put on more weight then lions, and many tigers in captivity are not pure bred bengals anymore there mixed with siberian, so the tigers that the lions fight in Everland are bigger tigers then just pure bred bengals. The lion is also all around bigger as a species then the tiger as a species as well.

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Very well sumed up Battle cat...as you can see the experts I have posted have there quota an some have a bio an head-line picture with a tiger or lion, I'm missing alot which I'll update shortly...would you happen to have a quota from Siegfreid an Roy, I cant seem to find one anymore, the link I seen before had timed out. Either that or this Computer is just too outdated.

But nicely put...I'll Edit an update the list above with filling in a few more sources for those who dont have already an maybe a pic too.

 

[Battle Cat]

2000


Roy Horn

Siegfried and Roy's Gift for the Ages: The Quest to Save the World's Magnificent Royal White Tigers and Magical White Lions for Future Generations [Paperback]

"The personality traits of lions and tigers are
very different."

" A lion is tough," Roy explained. " A tiger is very
versatile, very flexible, also forgiving. When you have a
confrontation wit him, he is a lot quicker to forgive whatever
the situation is than the lion. The lion forgets nothing. And he
will make sure you understand that."

 

[Silver Prime]

Sure Prime here is the Siegfried and Roy quote.

"The personality traits of lions and tigers are
very different."

" A lion is tough," Roy explained. " A tiger is very
versatile, very flexible, also forgiving. When you have a
confrontation wit him, he is a lot quicker to forgive whatever
the situation is than the lion. The lion forgets nothing. And he
will make sure you understand that."

Cool, okay I'm going to need the year this book was manufactured so I can fit it in that list above, an a abstract link to there quota...I'll provide a smaller pic for I'm trying to get a pic with them and a tiger an lion thats the same size as the Kailash sankhala pic, actually if I can get all there Bio pics that size, it would look better...I think thats the perfect size bio pic.

Do you know how to re-size pics on these type of forums?

 

[WelshBloke]

Sure Prime here is the Siegfried and Roy quote.

"The personality traits of lions and tigers are
very different."

" A lion is tough," Roy explained. " A tiger is very
versatile, very flexible, also forgiving. When you have a
confrontation wit him, he is a lot quicker to forgive whatever
the situation is than the lion. The lion forgets nothing. And he
will make sure you understand that."

Wasn't one of them mauled by a tiger?

 

[Battle Cat]

Cool, okay I'm going to need the year this book was manufactured so I can fit it in that list above, an a abstract link to there quota...I'll provide a smaller pic for I'm trying to get a pic with them and a tiger an lion thats the same size as the Kailash sankhala pic, actually if I can get all there Bio pics that size, it would look better...I think thats the perfect size bio pic.

Do you know how to re-size pics on these type of forums?

Yeah its the same as Yuku, you just edit it and click on it, and you can pull it larger or smaller.



2000


Roy Horn

Siegfried and Roy's Gift for the Ages: The Quest to Save the World's Magnificent Royal White Tigers and Magical White Lions for Future Generations [Paperback]

"The personality traits of lions and tigers are
very different."

" A lion is tough," Roy explained. " A tiger is very
versatile, very flexible, also forgiving. When you have a
confrontation wit him, he is a lot quicker to forgive whatever
the situation is than the lion. The lion forgets nothing. And he
will make sure you understand that."