Lion vs. Tiger

[Silver Prime]

Edited for upgrading credability an adding in missing information added to page 17

Reguards ^_^

 

[Silver Prime]

heres a little better implimation on a catagorie of Indian culture's history that I managed to find accounts the most important place, there indigedous home lands of ...
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Indias Singh vs sher khan
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#1 *
1936 Agartala zoo in bengal, a lion kills a male tiger.
When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a very large tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.”
(Local news report)
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#2
Lions of India would out number a bengal tiger an odds would usually favor the lion.

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#3
Only in 1972 was the tiger declared Indias national animal at last replacing the lion that was ruled so meaninglessly for more than 2,000 years.
~Forster and Further
By Sujit Mukherjee
http://books.google.com/books?id=xY...a=X&ei=sqCRUJrREYbmiwLq2oDQDQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ
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#4
To the Indians the lions are the King of the beast
http://books.google.com/books?id=o5eTQnIUF88C&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=lion+tiger+greece+fight&source=bl&ots=ZDLb53pWWs&sig=wsLpq5pgJ_I0MRW0Uv7cMBqBA1k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FnEXUN_UKsSKrAHT-IDoCw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA<br>
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#5 Artifact of a indian lion defeating a indian tiger saving a native of India

~Art by Charles catton who had an acadamy art school in India
http://books.google.com/books?id=Nu...a=X&ei=YkfmULqeG-GRiALiyICQDw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw
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#6
A lion kills a tiger in a pit fight on a palace compound of an indian maharajah prince in front of thousand’s this is not the gir fight because it mentioned only 1 lion an one tiger, Gir had 3 vs 3.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionvstigerfights.jpg
^Site called lair web .com...aka Tiger territory
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#7
3 Asiatic lions vs 3 bengal tigers, all lions won each occaision 1 tiger died, lion # 2 mauled the big male tiger,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM *
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#8
Cats of India, having an account of a lion with a death grip on a tiger.

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#9
Culture and Customs of India
By Carol Henderson Garcia, Carol E. Henderso
(Different era an source proclaiming that...The lion is the King of the beast of Inidan culture…
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ca...a=X&ei=EYuPUNLiL4PUiwKUsYHoDw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAg
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#10
Asiatic lion defeats bengal tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRLYzRvYkE
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#11
Calcutta zooligical garden’s in india a lioness kills a adult male tiger
(New’s article)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25
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#12
TIGER: THE STORY OF THE INDIAN TIGER 1977 By well known Indian Zoologist Kailash Sankhala. Saw 3 accasion’s lion’s defeated tigers in the wild.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
You ca read its quota on google books, I'll try an get the exact page number again.
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#13
Jam sahib in india has wittnessed 4 fights having all the lions defeating the tiger’s published in 1927 in his book here…
http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg
Also in his summary, when he exploited keseri singh he point’s them out again here…
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg
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#14
1834 diary of a literature lion defeat’s tiger.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/liondefeatstiger.png
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#15
Bob greene interview with M.J of an old video of local’s of india having a pit fight with a*lion fighting a tiger, and the lion won, due to his mane…
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/books-2.png
~ this is not the gir fight because gir's fight does not say King of thebeast vs King of the Jungle, nor did it play fast.
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#16
1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” a wild lion killed a wild tiger witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s.
~(German new’s atricle)
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.co...-vs-Royal-Bengal-Tiger-valauble-rare-account-

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#17
The Anvár-i Suhailí; or, The lights of Canopus
lion kills several tigers
~When the tiger was seized by the lions claw, Death
http://books.google.com/books?id=QB...a=X&ei=vzNIUJL_CpDtiQLn_YDIBg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ
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#18
Artifact portraying a Wild asiatic lion defeating a wild bengal tiger...

~Friedrich Specht (6 May 1839 Lauffen am Neckar - 12 June 1909 Stuttgart), was a German painter and natural history illustrator. He held his first exhibition at the Stuttgart Art Academy. He provided illustrations of animals and landscapes for a large number of zoology and veterinary science publications, notably for the first edition of Brehms Tierleben (1864–69) conceived by Alfred Edmund Brehm, Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (1890—1907), Karl Christoph Vogt's Die Säugetiere in Wort und Bild (1883–89) and Richard Lydekker's Royal Natural History (1894–96). His brothers were the wood engraver Carl Gottlob Specht and the wildlife painter August Specht (1849–1923).

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#19
The Ramayana and Mahabharata: Abridged
lion kills tiger in Indian woods…
http://books.google.com/books?id=mw...a=X&ei=i7x3UPfIM4znigK2i4HwDw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA
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#20
Caviar and Cabbage [Book] Melvin B. Tolson .
Tolson was the professor, poet and writer portrayed by Denzel Washington in The Great Debaters , which is based on a true story from 1935 America. Saying the title King doesent belong to the tiger, it belong’s to the lion for unity.
http://www.marcnorton.us/93588/102643.html
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#21
The Children's hour, Volumes 11-12
2 of indias lions about to maul a bengal tiger

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#22
The lion not the tiger is the unbdisputed King of the forest
http://books.google.com/books?id=8i...a=X&ei=_5QxUOrNK8r2iwK2-ICwBQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
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#23
The Tiger is only to be found in Asia. It is not quite so large as the Lion: it is between three and four feet in height, and about eight in length. It is a very handsome animal. It is of a reddish-yellow color, striped with black bands.
http://books.google.com/books?id=b2...a=X&ei=Mz7mUMHtKqjoiALBn4GAAg&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA
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#24
Lion stale mates tiger, for mugal ruler
The Asiatic journal and monthly miscellany, Volume 15
http://books.google.com/books?id=Fa...a=X&ei=ZYmPUO3OLM6yigKyxoF4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgK
victories.
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#25
~By M. Boitard
asiatic lion defeating a tiger in the wild
http://books.google.com/books?id=WS...arranged&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_text#c_top
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#26
Bhim Singh: a romance of Mughal times
a lion is a more formidable foe than a tiger, who, after all, is a cowardly beast. Macmillan, 1926 - 194 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=DN...X&ei=Wm-QULW-OsjdigKQnIHwBw&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBTgo
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#27
Kailash sankhala mentions a crazed prince that had a fight with a lion an tiger an the lion killed the tiger

#28
he Great Mugals fo hunting..Lions Court..By: Miskin, 1596-97
This painting from Anwar-i-Suhaili shows the lion as the King of the animal world- a posistion rarley accorded to the tiger.

~Thats a native Indian man^ who drew this, having no affiliations with british ranking the lion more superior to the tiger.

 

[Juddog]

Jesus H Christ... you're obsessed man! I haven't seen someone cherrypick data this much since a few posts ago in the ATP&N!

 

[Silver Prime]

Jesus H Christ... you're obsessed man! I haven't seen someone cherrypick data this much since a few posts ago in the ATP&N!

Come on man, dont be so hastey to judge...I like to put things in "Catagories form, you know...like wiki did? Why dident wiki name any of the links I have? Dosent that mean that the main stream out put (wikipedia) just is running properganda and trying to just repaint history by "only" portraying the tiger winning?

Here if it makes you feel better...heres a catagorie for you and the tigers behalf...

1.Male tiger kill’s Lioness in bangalore, 1954
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2.Male Tiger kill’s lioness in Mysore, 1946
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-krEXhkQ-cx8/TZtMBE5qeqI/AAAAAAAAANY/zbR9XftEbJk/s1600/viro.JPG
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3.Male tiger kills lioness in Milan 1951
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4.Male tiger kills lioness in culcutta mengerine.
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5.Male tiger kill’s female lion in marco peter’s reserve.
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionusuallywhipsatiger.jpg
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6.John varty’s biggest Male tiger named Seatao, kills savana the lioness in tiger canyon.
http://www.wandahennig.com/2010/01/every-year-is-year-of-the-tiger-at-south-africa’s-tiger-canyons/
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7.Burr robin’s circuss male tiger kill’s fermale lion.
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8.Male tiger kills lioness 1869 Getty’s berg.
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9.Fort lauderdale male tiger kills female lion.
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10.Bronx zoo a big bengal tiger named rajah killed heruta a 3 year old lion.
The New York herald reported an accidental bout between a mature Bengal Tiger and a 2 year old Lion cub named Huerta. Zookeepers deemed the combat unequal, as Huerta was a nearly-maneless adolescent and his opponent, Rajah was an adult twice the cub's size. While Rajah succeeded in killing Huerta, he did not escape unscathed. The Tiger left the battle with lacerations along the back and neck, a missing ear, and only one eye.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/brightln/bva.jpg

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11.Perth W.A male tiger kills female lioness
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7jB5c3zLnlM/TjwtPdkClJI/AAAAAAAAARA/lx8IrWIPxTk/s1600/999.jpg

12.Edmonds mengerine in birmingham london, tiger kills tooth less lioness.

13.Baroda staged lion and tiger fight for Gakwad out come leads to tiger killing lion and dying shortly after.

14.Bad bill the lion gets tied up an the animal watcher lets loose a large male bengal tiger letting him have his way, killing bad bill the lion.

15.Roman proske was attacked by a lion jabbing the lion in his eye with a steel rod which should have killed him aided just enough time for his large male tiger to kill his lion saving him.

16.Roman arenas in the records of martial peters, who mentions a staged account of a tamed tiger killing a wild lion which was programed by the emperor.


Notice majority of them just so happened to be a "Male tiger" killing a "female" lion...theres a few more I can get but no more than 40 I have came across...if you like, put them in chronological order an find there links, or I'll get them later which is on another archive I cant get to at the moment, again 70% of a tiger winning has it a male killing female, an only 30% were of female or male tigers killing a "male lion", while the lions list is exactly the oposite which protains to 30% of a male or female ion killing a female tiger and 70% of male an female lions killing a "male tiger.

So go ahead, see if you can even produce more than 40 accounts of tigers killing lions...an remember put them in chonological order, so I know you aint using the chumps list who repeated his accounts to (act) as if he even had half that much...

Btw, this isint as much as reading a 10 page book...an some books have like 500 pages, so is it really that much trouble for you? Actually its not for you, its for people who wish to learn, which includes me...just wanted to see if the hundreds of thousands to millions out there might have anything of historical significance thats all.

 

[raildogg]

Not to throw mud on this thread but lets respect both these animals. If they fight in the wild, that's one thing. Too bad we cage these animals and they come into contact with each other. All for mankind's amusement.

 

[WelshBloke]

Not to throw mud on this thread but lets respect both these animals. If they fight in the wild, that's one thing. Too bad we cage these animals and they come into contact with each other. All for mankind's amusement.

Meh, I'm still betting on the giant squid.

 

[Silver Prime]

Not to throw mud on this thread but lets respect both these animals. If they fight in the wild, that's one thing. Too bad we cage these animals and they come into contact with each other. All for mankind's amusement.

Tottaly agree, with all the billions of dollars that go to waste an both almost going extinct you'd think someone like bill gates (one man) who has the power an money to just buy tigers an lions a remote island where only big cats can go....but no, you have idiots trying to rewild them right next to local villages....fucking-face-palm.

But I dont agree what they did to tigers an lions in terms of pit fights or circus acts, but in the wild, well....its intresting.

 

[uclaLabrat]

According to wikipedia, siberian tigers routinely hunt black and brown bears for food. Though when challenged directly, bears tend to hold their own fairly well, and don't show much fear of tigers.

 

[Turbonium]

Let's say the fight took place in an arena. Who would win? I think a male lion would beat all others. I'm not sure about tigers vs female lions though.

No. Tigers have stronger hind legs, which is crucial to fighting. They're also slightly heavier overall I think.

 

[Silver Prime]

No. Tigers have stronger hind legs, which is crucial to fighting. They're also slightly heavier overall I think.

Lions averagly are the biggest cats in the world, tigers individually are the biggest cats in the world, thats like saying on average a polynisian is 6 feet tall an the tallest was 7 feet tall. compared to the average asian is 5 foot tall, yet you have someone like yao ming who would then be taller than any polynisian.

Same way with tigers an lions. Siberians have the heviest tigers individually so basically someone found a few yao ming siberian tigers...lol

An tigers have awesome hindlegs which aids leaping an acrobatics. Lions have stronger front limbs for better grappling an strikeing harder.

 

[WelshBloke]

What about an equal weight in really, really pissed off squirrels?

400 rodenty psychos should do some damage.

 

[BudAshes]

Tyrannosaurus Rex vs pride of lions.

 

[Silver Prime]

What about an equal weight in really, really pissed off squirrels?

400 rodenty psychos should do some damage.

XD XD That reminds of the movie "the life of Pi"

where Pi and the tiger was surrounded by like 1 million rodents....XD the life of Pi was a good movie, very different an unique from the norm, a bit sad...but a must watch.

a 400 pound squirl would be frightening as shit.

 

[Silver Prime]

I think size matters, but agression will, and game holds a higher merit...heres a sloth bear that managed to kill a polar bear.

 

[Silver Prime]

Tiger weight’s show they average no bigger than lion’s

The biggest wild indian tiger ever weighed by hewit (1938) was 258 kg=567 pounds.
The biggest Usrian tiger ever weighed was by baudy (1968) was
306 kg= 673 pounds.
www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-152-01-0001.pdf
On average the lion is the biggest living cat…
Tigers of the World: The Science, Politics and Conservation of Panthera Tigris
By Ronald Lewis Tilson, Philip J. Nyhus
http://books.google.com/books?id=XF...a=X&ei=_qSRUKbXDua8igKLr4CYBw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA
The bengal tiger is thinner an lighter than the lion
The Illustrated Magazine of Art, Volumes 3-4
http://books.google.com/books?id=BR...X&ei=aZQGUOiWEIHg2gWah9S6BQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgK
Table 1. Location, physical status, size and circumstances of deaths of Amur tiger males in the Russian Far East, 1970-1994.
Basically 40 year census showing tigers with none passing 200 kg
http://www.tigers.ru/articles/tab_eng.html#tab1
In size the lion is similar to the tiger
The London Magazine, Volume 19
By John Scott, John Taylor
http://books.google.com/books?id=xe...X&ei=cJOgUIiFH-32igKS94HAAw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAzgo
Hewett (1938), Inverarity (1888), Baker (1890), Buton (1933, 1948), Hornaday (1885), Meinertzhagen (1939) and Sanderson (1912) shows an average 420 lbs for bengal tigers.,
Dumbar brander weighed 45 very large tigers with its average being 420 pounds.
Bert klineburger 1990
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/DunbarBrandersaverage.jpg
Igor nikolaev weighed stated no tiger ever exceeds 650 pounds in the wild, an weighs 15 tigresses exploiting a 450 to estimated because not one tigres exceeded 320 pounds, also stating these are the difference between real weights and hunters estimates…
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb231/LeoTigris_Elite/Siberian Tiger/TigersoftheSnow.jpg
Histoire naturelle des mammifères ...
By Paul Gervais
Tiger Felis (Felis Tigris, Linnaeus). The real Tiger or Royal Tiger, should not be confused with sprinkled species of the same tribe, such as the Panther, the Once, etc.., Is an Animal exclusively Asian living in the islands of Java and Sumatra, throughout mainland India, the Chinese empire and to Siberia. Some copies come to the borders of Europe, and Mr. Nodmann reports that Tiger 1835 a large size was killed from Tiflis.
The Tiger is almost as large as the Lion, but he has the most elegant dress.
http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA...ie=ISO-8859-1&ots=sGh2DHpF3s&output=html_text
Translated here:
http://translate.google.com/
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/Lion-Tiger/BiasedTigers.jpg
The average male tiger weighs about 200 kg 227 would be considered one of the heviest.
~By trilok chandra majupuria
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/averagemalechitwantiger.jpg
Here some of the biggest amur’s ever weighed none exceeding 230 kg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/averagesizeofadultamurtigers.jpg
Dale miquelle Program director wcs russia, average weights of there siberian tigers 420 pounds.
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/schamah/SiberianCloseto400.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s214/craigkennion/dsfdfsdsfdsfdfsd.jpg
Mel sunquist largest tiger was 600 pounds, an states most weights are suspected to please the king or royal guest
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg

THE WAY OF THE TIGER 2002 By K. Ullas Karanth.
Page 47, The tigers weighing record weights in captivity where overfed obese individuals who would not survive in the wild.
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[Silver Prime]

Basically you listed almost exclusively only lion victories and ignore the tiger ones; way to cherrypick data! There are a ton of videos on youtube of tigers beating the crap out of lions, which you chose to ignore. If you're going to go through historical analysis, then show both sides. You sound like one of the retards from the comic book battle forums, the same type of idiot who claims that Batman can beat Goku with enough prep time.

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How can I go threw both sides when I have to sort threw stuff like this?

Here I'll post one more an I'm done...

Edmonds menagerie in london account is used over 100 times…

Here on this site...http://www.webs.com/frozen.htm?uname=jackjacksonj
Known as jackjacksonj (which is now shut down) tiger killing lions accounts there was 367, as labeled by him of tigers killing lions, after showing which ones he manipulated into lying that he had that much of scattering information an repeating them over 300 times on his own site, he shut it down...I just wanted to point out a small fraction of how pathetic this loser really was.

The thing with an abundentcy of sources is, that a single account can be used multiple times simply by placing it again farther down the line, but if you put them in chronological order of the dates as in the year of either when it happened or when it was recorded, they will be flushed next to each other. By me doing that to his so call accounts, it had over 200 repeats of the exact same accounts over an over again. Now...chronological order wont catch everything in terms of repeated information...the reason is, the same account/information can be published with another author in another year, you simply have to look at the person, place or subject...in this case I'll show you just one account this chump labeled more than 100 accounts from...which I'll give you head-line details that shows its mentioning the exact same thing.

Details
1) [Edmonds] and [menagerie]

2) [Birmingham] and [london]


#1
~The Friend, Volume 35
The New Castle (Eng.) Chronicle, relates an occurrence which had recently transpired at Edmonds' menagerie in that city. ... The tiger is said to be the same animal that killed a lioness in London some time ago.
http://books.google.com/books?id=dj...=ISO-8859-1&output=html&source=gbs_navlinks_s

#2
Natural History of the Mammalia of India and Ceylon
By Robert Armitage Sterndale (F.R.G.S.)
Library of Alexandria, 1929
I believe there was once a case of a fair fight between a well matched lion and
tiger in a menagerie (Edmonds's, I think)
http://books.google.com/books?id=5-...=ISO-8859-1&output=html&source=gbs_navlinks_s

#3
Die Tiger vom Ramganga: Auf den Spuren des Tigerjägers und Naturschützers ...
I believe there was once a case of a fair fight between a well matched lion and tiger in a menagerie (Edmonds's, I think)
By Andreas Gross
oD – Books on Demand, 2012 - 104 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=vG...a=X&ei=smfqUPrjD8L2igKt84CAAQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ

#4
The Annual Register, Or, A View of the History and Politics of ..., Volume 99J.G. & F. Rivington, 1858
It is, upon the whole, the stronger. Some years ago the division between the cages of a lion and a tiger, both belonging to a menagerie, gave way. There was a terrible fight between the two animals, and the lion was killed.
http://books.google.com/books?id=sQ...&sa=X&ei=0GzqUI6KJOzOigKL_4EY&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAw

#5
Natural history for young folks
By C C Campbell (mrs.)
T. Nelson, 1884
It is, upon the whole, the stronger. Some years ago the division between the cages of a lion and a tiger, both belonging to a menagerie, gave way. There was a terrible fight between the two animals, and the lion was killed.
http://books.google.com/books?id=sQ...&sa=X&ei=0GzqUI6KJOzOigKL_4EY&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAw

#6
THE MEDICAL TIMES AND GAZETTE
1871
Accidents have happen in some of our british menagaries and the tigers and lions have fought.
http://books.google.com/books?id=T5...a=X&ei=EHLqUMfMCsKviAL99ID4Ag&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAQ

#7
Animal facts and feats: a Guinness record of the animal kingdom
Doubleday, 1972 - 384 pages
A tigress in a menagerie at birmibham sized a lion by the throat and killed it in a few minutes.
http://books.google.com/books?id=HF...a=X&ei=73XqUIHDEsq5igKm_IHoCg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA


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You see^ he then labled those accounts as multiple times the tiger has killed the lion, thats only a mere fraction of a fraction of how many he lied on, faked an twisted things to (act) as if the tiger has won that many times. When in reality that 7 right there...is only 1 account thats just being mentioned by multiple sources. That goes the same with his 100 repeated roman accounts he lied on..which panned out the 100 repeating (chronlogical order exploited it.) to be no more than 10 different sources, every source he linked said that, tigers always beat the lions in the roman arenas, an they then say its mentioned by Martial's records as in "Martial peters" a latin poet...when in his epigrams, he himself martial peters, mentioned only one account...he does not use the words, the tiger always won or invariably won or any of a sort...he just mentions that one an gave his discription as unexpected for a tiger to have killed a lion.

This guys literally a joke, who goes around and claiming all records of a lion winning is fake, false an manipulated, an dident dis-prove of any of it but just by the word of mouth wants you to belive him...yet all his B.S information has been exploited showing all he is, is a cry baby fanatic trying to twist the truth just because hes a bias chump.

 

[Slammy1]

lol, as I see it tigers 1 on 1 have some advantage since they're geared around solitary mode, but lions are socially smart hunters and hang in packs.

The toughest lion vs the toughest tiger? That's probably closer than you'd think because those old male lions are smart. Still with 100+ lb advantage tiger.

 

[Silver Prime]

lol, as I see it tigers 1 on 1 have some advantage since they're geared around solitary mode, but lions are socially smart hunters and hang in packs.

The toughest lion vs the toughest tiger? That's probably closer than you'd think because those old male lions are smart. Still with 100+ lb advantage tiger.

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I agree that it would be close, but the weight would have little to do with the tiger winning soley because the tiger wouldent have that luxery, unless its dilberate, because by average, lions are just as large if not larger than tigers, sometimes the tiger is bigger sometimes the lion...thats how similar they are.

If a tiger will win I will think it is because of his skill. At this point it will be upoun the individual not the specie.



{What ever weight’s the tiger has reached so can the lion}
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408kg=904 pound lion named Ali owned by Charle’s mason of king’sbridge
http://www.impeyan.net/default.asp?iId=KMFIH
two…900 pound lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUtjFBx6eM
- 900 pound lion
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...9YeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=n2UEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,2398849
818 pound lion named ponto fight’s off 2 tiger’s 1959 Rningling brothers
http://newspaperarchive.com/oakland-tribune/1959-03-27/
826 pound lion named simba
http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af291/KingOfEurope/45yedsdy.jpg?t=1306200659
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa105/KillerLeo_2007/00889_789790_9878.jpg
802 pound lion named mubasa
http://www.9news.com/images/300/169/2/assetpool/images/110208093432_02-08-11-lion-root-canal.jpg
http://www.kansastravel.org/06gbzoo4.JPG
http://www.kansastravel.org/britspaughzoo.htm
http://www.thirdage.com/humor/800-pound-lion-receives-root-canal-video
810 pound lion attack’s tarzan 1967, in Cleveland, OH; Tarzan was attacked in the ring by an 800-pound lion.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jmrELQKEp...LE/EnF2PVI2v4s/s400/2041190062_8088d27317.jpg
http://www.tzproductions.com/index.php/history
2… 800 pound lion’s 1 named Prince an 1 named clarence
http://jobryantnz.files.wordpress.c...-clarence-the-cross-eyed-lion-10-1970-4-g.jpg
http://mfinley.com/tumor/bt-bwana-mike.htm
806 pound lion named Rutledge
http://images.orkut.com/orkut/album...924TXKpAJtU9VDIRFMqRMwjvOttcrWnFHZRfxlcKA.jpg
http://adambarefoot.deviantart.com/art/Rutledge-World-s-Largest-Lion-148826480
908 pound lion owned by Peter jackson
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13...ilename=900lblionestimatedoz7.jpg&res=landing
800 pound lion
http://books.google.com/books?id=r_...a=X&ei=MNoNUNOJGuKC2wWUuYC4AQ&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
800 pound lion in circus
Trump: The Art Of The Deal
But Irving was very much like a lion tamer. You've seen these guys, maybe I50
pounds, who walk blithely into a cage where there's a magnificent 800~pound lion
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ye...a=X&ei=mHwGUICmL-Pg2gWQxMXTBQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ
800 pound lion named woody
http://books.google.com/books?id=9M...X&ei=VX0GUJC2Leqi2gXO4MmPBQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwADgK
CBS News investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian speaks about the debate and what it was like doing an interview within feet of a 900-pound lion.
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x364597531/Morning-Jolt-Haunted-home-for-seniors
800 pound lion
http://animal.discovery.com/fansite...ia/asiatic-vs-african/asiatic-vs-african.html
800 pound lion named leo 1932
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QWASgRa4w...BtE/ohuC53aXFKo/s1600/Metro_Goldwyn_Mayer.jpg
http://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/lionunleashedinwbzstudio.jpg?w=300
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AIBAJ&pg=1205,5537289&dq=800+pound+lion&hl=en
800 pound lion Killed With One Shot .Nero Slain As It Devoured Cow In...
Daily Star - Oct 2, 1908
Nero was five years old, weighed 800 pounds and was valued at 1000 He recently . was imported from Africa, and was considered a perfect specimen.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...6318,5099819&dq=african+800+pound+lions&hl=en
Two 800-900 pound lions escaped from the Ringling Bros. and Bar- num & Bailey Circus Saturday los Angeles Times - Jun 17, 1973
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes...Circus+Lions+Killed+After+Escape&pqatl=google
850 pound splendid male (nutered) lion named Rhino
(Source)International Exotic Feline Sanctuary in Boyd, TX pic donated by Zoo keeper gabe using a bar scale
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/gabesmonte/rhino.jpg
http://www.bigcat.org/
900 pound lion named Prince
hloroforming of an African Lion in Augusta Yesterday. HE HAD CONTRACTED RHEUMATISM And His Owner Decided on Ending the Animal's Sufferings--A Fight Near the Sibley Mills. a number of spectators witnessed his killing today. was twenty-two years old and weighed 900 pounds.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/ajc_his...stitution&desc=PRINCE+WAS+KILLED&pqatl=google
Leeds african lion 903lbs/408kg 1973
2.anonymity african lion 900lbs/408kg
Elvis african lion 834lbs/360kg Keepers of the Wild
Kingman daily miner Nov, 2001
Sanctuary Roaring To Open Near Kingman .
Inhabitants of Keepers of the Wild
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...cRPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9FIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5391,3156839
http://www.google.com/search?q=Elvi...the+wild+&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&gbv=1
Boo the lion 800 pounds
More Documented Lion weights in africa an India in the wild…
385 kg ) Botswana -
335 kg Angola (1973) G. Gladney
333 kg - Sudan The J. K. Roberts
333 kg - Kenya M. J. Timmins
328 kg - Uganda G. Prud'homme
324 kg - Tanzania J.
320 kg - Trance bar/var C. V. Merriman
318 kg - Somalia A. M. Toulmin
318 kg - Rhodesia H. J. Pratt
318 kg – Mozambique
1936 shot in adjacent to kruger weighed multple times an was 313 Kg
speard lion weighed by Jehangir 306 kg
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[OBLAMA2009]

ive read similar stories before. a few years ago a tiger reached its paw through a cage and disemboweled a male lion. lions look and act like bad axes but at the end of the day they are dependent on team killing in general whereas the tiger is used the taking things down on its own. the tiger is quite a big bigger than a lion as well

tigers are also well know to hunt and kill bears, you can see videos of that on youtube

 

[momeNt]

Sadly we have way to much PETA up in this bitch to actually stage this and find out definitively. Dogfighting bans I can understand because they have been domesticated, but lions and tigers are wild animals and constantly thirst for blood, we are simply giving them an outlet.

 

[Silver Prime]

Sadly we have way to much PETA up in this bitch to actually stage this and find out definitively. Dogfighting bans I can understand because they have been domesticated, but lions and tigers are wild animals and constantly thirst for blood, we are simply giving them an outlet.

That doesent sound cool at all...there was to many of that in the past, if you wanna see who won then just look threw historical documents of certain cultures. Its been done tens of thousands of times already, you just have to un-cover its information.

But I get what you mean, a few video confronmations in the wild setting would be the holy grail of who usually wins, but unfortunatly that wont ever happen unless we replenish there status out of there current one...which is them going extinct. But humans can turn turn it around for them if they put a little effort into it.

For what its worth, heres a historical document that was recorded with very clean detail of a pretty big indian tiger fighting a lion...

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A drama at the Ganges.

31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”)

I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, one you wouldn’t see again in a hundred years, a scene of blood and death that forever will haunt my mind. […] The lion and his rival, the tiger, need air and space in great quantity. Here, and only here, are they really able to live and to rule. […] (A long description of lions and tigers and how fierce both of them are, the actual event follows now) A Malayan slave ran towards us and shouted: “Lion! Lion! Down there, at the river! It’s a big, fierce lion!”

“One more reason to take shelter in the house,” continued the colonel. “Come, my friends, take the weapons! The lion is a troublesome guest.”
We closed the house’s doors; the slaves got weapons and guarded the basement. We, to welcome this guest admirably, climbed up to the gallery from which we could overlook the Ganges. An unusually big lion walked haughtily down there, not looking around as he does when he has to fight an opponent, but instead ambling slowly and thoughtfully like a philosopher, he walked there. He stopped from time to time to rest a minute, and then continued majestically his way. Under a magnificent palm, he stopped, turned around two times, and finally lay down in the shadow. This was the rest of a magnificent ruler that had nothing to fear from any adversary. He rested easily, as do those who have made no enemies.

Scarcely ten minutes had the lion lain there, when suddenly, he jumped up as though struck by lightning, roaring very deeply and scratching the ground with both hind legs, as though challenging an adversary. He lowered his head and, in a single bound, jumped at the palm’s stem to look about, to the right and left. Then he jumped down to ground to wait again, and his gaze lingered at one particular spot on the horizon.

“An enemy seems to approach,” the colonel said, “a terrible enemy, if we look at the lion’s reaction. I predict that it will be a fierce fight, and many rich people would pay a great sum to see it if they were here right now.”
“And why,” I asked, “don’t they stage some fights from time to time, if they would pay so much?”

“Because what we have here is very rare. The lion won’t fight against a human but against a fierce animal, one as strong as he himself, such as a rhinoceros, an elephant, or a tiger.”

“A tiger! It’s really a tiger!” one of us shouted pointing a finger at the dangerous beast which jumped in huge leaps towards the lion. It was breathtaking, our eyes wandered from the lion to the tiger and from the tiger to the lion. The lion still was lurking. It was a terrible spectacle and we wagered who will win. Now they stood eyeball to eyeball with each other. They’d seen each other and wouldn’t leave unless one of them was lying dead at the ground. The tiger was unbelievably huge and beautiful with his long black stripes distributed all over his yellowish body. His fearful eyes seemed to burn, his head was lowered. We stood, at the most, 200 feet away. The sun shone brightly, so we could see their every move. I don’t think I have to mention that our hearts were in our mouths. The tiger closed in on the lion, but the lion remained calm. In the latter, we could see the force of the calmness in his powerful position; in the tiger, one could believe to see the violent tension of someone who has the impudence to disrespect a close danger, one who had the will to assault it. We could see a certain twitch in his legs, but he wasn’t about to flee. Did the crouching tiger want to kill the lion? I believe it did, and I admire the royal tiger’s courage, he would rather lie down in a burning furnace than be accused of cowardice!
The lion had not moved at all, but we could see what was happening inside him by looking at his erected mane. From time to time, his countenance suggested a submissive gesture. But he, the king of animals, didn’t want to show any fear, but rather boldness, to his opponent. A duel was now inevitable. For the tiger it may be a glorious day, but for the lion it was certainly a festive day.

With one leap, they could grab, bite, tear each other; with one leap they’d jump over the space of 20 feet that separated them from each other. Then, they leaped! The crash equaled the crash of two ships in a tempest! We could hear the bones breaking under the weight of their terrible paws, we could see chunks of flesh falling to the ground. They made no sound, but their gruff moaning indicated their rage and pain. Neither showed superiority and we wondered who would win. If the lion were to think that he had overpowered the tiger, the latter could earn the victory with a single move, shattering the surprised lion.

The fight now lasted 10 minutes, and suddenly, as if they came to an agreement, both loosened their grip to gain their breath again. It was the motionlessness of the rage, but it was the calmness of the king. A few moments later, an unexpected incident which resurrected the fight took place: The tiger, which saw not only his defeat but also his death, used the moment. While his opponent was licking his wounded hind leg, he leaped 10 feet up the palm’s stem and stayed there. The lion looked around and couldn’t see his foe anymore; he roared, looked upwards, and he jumped at the tiger. But in this position it was impossible to continue the fight. They knew that only one of them would survive. The tiger jumped down and the lion followed him, but his leg caused him to shiver. A long fight wasn’t possible any more. Their claws were blunted, their jaws were tired, and they had lost much blood.

The fighters’ jaws were wedged in each other as they bit at each others’ heads; we could feel the bones crushing. Suddenly the tiger retreated, wavered and fell down. The lion seized him with his terrible paws and it seemed like he wanted to punish the defeated opponent for his resistance.
He didn’t loosen his grip, the merciless king of the forest, the feared lord of the wilderness; he tore the tiger apart, he crushed its skull. Suddenly a crocodile appeared out of the river. It seized the lion at his injured hind leg and dragged him into the water. The only remains of this fight were the dead tiger under the palm and some read streams of blood on the water surface.

Translated from German into English by Leofwin.

 

[BudAshes]

That doesent sound cool at all...there was to many of that in the past, if you wanna see who won then just look threw historical documents of certain cultures. Its been done tens of thousands of times already, you just have to un-cover its information.

But I get what you mean, a few video confronmations in the wild setting would be the holy grail of who usually wins, but unfortunatly that wont ever happen unless we replenish there status out of there current one...which is them going extinct. But humans can turn turn it around for them if they put a little effort into it.

For what its worth, heres a historical document that was recorded with very clean detail of a pretty big indian tiger fighting a lion...

-
-
A drama at the Ganges.

31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”)

I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, one you wouldn’t see again in a hundred years, a scene of blood and death that forever will haunt my mind. […] The lion and his rival, the tiger, need air and space in great quantity. Here, and only here, are they really able to live and to rule. […] (A long description of lions and tigers and how fierce both of them are, the actual event follows now) A Malayan slave ran towards us and shouted: “Lion! Lion! Down there, at the river! It’s a big, fierce lion!”

“One more reason to take shelter in the house,” continued the colonel. “Come, my friends, take the weapons! The lion is a troublesome guest.”
We closed the house’s doors; the slaves got weapons and guarded the basement. We, to welcome this guest admirably, climbed up to the gallery from which we could overlook the Ganges. An unusually big lion walked haughtily down there, not looking around as he does when he has to fight an opponent, but instead ambling slowly and thoughtfully like a philosopher, he walked there. He stopped from time to time to rest a minute, and then continued majestically his way. Under a magnificent palm, he stopped, turned around two times, and finally lay down in the shadow. This was the rest of a magnificent ruler that had nothing to fear from any adversary. He rested easily, as do those who have made no enemies.

Scarcely ten minutes had the lion lain there, when suddenly, he jumped up as though struck by lightning, roaring very deeply and scratching the ground with both hind legs, as though challenging an adversary. He lowered his head and, in a single bound, jumped at the palm’s stem to look about, to the right and left. Then he jumped down to ground to wait again, and his gaze lingered at one particular spot on the horizon.

“An enemy seems to approach,” the colonel said, “a terrible enemy, if we look at the lion’s reaction. I predict that it will be a fierce fight, and many rich people would pay a great sum to see it if they were here right now.”
“And why,” I asked, “don’t they stage some fights from time to time, if they would pay so much?”

“Because what we have here is very rare. The lion won’t fight against a human but against a fierce animal, one as strong as he himself, such as a rhinoceros, an elephant, or a tiger.”

“A tiger! It’s really a tiger!” one of us shouted pointing a finger at the dangerous beast which jumped in huge leaps towards the lion. It was breathtaking, our eyes wandered from the lion to the tiger and from the tiger to the lion. The lion still was lurking. It was a terrible spectacle and we wagered who will win. Now they stood eyeball to eyeball with each other. They’d seen each other and wouldn’t leave unless one of them was lying dead at the ground. The tiger was unbelievably huge and beautiful with his long black stripes distributed all over his yellowish body. His fearful eyes seemed to burn, his head was lowered. We stood, at the most, 200 feet away. The sun shone brightly, so we could see their every move. I don’t think I have to mention that our hearts were in our mouths. The tiger closed in on the lion, but the lion remained calm. In the latter, we could see the force of the calmness in his powerful position; in the tiger, one could believe to see the violent tension of someone who has the impudence to disrespect a close danger, one who had the will to assault it. We could see a certain twitch in his legs, but he wasn’t about to flee. Did the crouching tiger want to kill the lion? I believe it did, and I admire the royal tiger’s courage, he would rather lie down in a burning furnace than be accused of cowardice!
The lion had not moved at all, but we could see what was happening inside him by looking at his erected mane. From time to time, his countenance suggested a submissive gesture. But he, the king of animals, didn’t want to show any fear, but rather boldness, to his opponent. A duel was now inevitable. For the tiger it may be a glorious day, but for the lion it was certainly a festive day.

With one leap, they could grab, bite, tear each other; with one leap they’d jump over the space of 20 feet that separated them from each other. Then, they leaped! The crash equaled the crash of two ships in a tempest! We could hear the bones breaking under the weight of their terrible paws, we could see chunks of flesh falling to the ground. They made no sound, but their gruff moaning indicated their rage and pain. Neither showed superiority and we wondered who would win. If the lion were to think that he had overpowered the tiger, the latter could earn the victory with a single move, shattering the surprised lion.

The fight now lasted 10 minutes, and suddenly, as if they came to an agreement, both loosened their grip to gain their breath again. It was the motionlessness of the rage, but it was the calmness of the king. A few moments later, an unexpected incident which resurrected the fight took place: The tiger, which saw not only his defeat but also his death, used the moment. While his opponent was licking his wounded hind leg, he leaped 10 feet up the palm’s stem and stayed there. The lion looked around and couldn’t see his foe anymore; he roared, looked upwards, and he jumped at the tiger. But in this position it was impossible to continue the fight. They knew that only one of them would survive. The tiger jumped down and the lion followed him, but his leg caused him to shiver. A long fight wasn’t possible any more. Their claws were blunted, their jaws were tired, and they had lost much blood.

The fighters’ jaws were wedged in each other as they bit at each others’ heads; we could feel the bones crushing. Suddenly the tiger retreated, wavered and fell down. The lion seized him with his terrible paws and it seemed like he wanted to punish the defeated opponent for his resistance.
He didn’t loosen his grip, the merciless king of the forest, the feared lord of the wilderness; he tore the tiger apart, he crushed its skull. Suddenly a crocodile appeared out of the river. It seized the lion at his injured hind leg and dragged him into the water. The only remains of this fight were the dead tiger under the palm and some read streams of blood on the water surface.

Translated from German into English by Leofwin.

That sounds extremely fake.

 

[Silver Prime]

That sounds extremely fake.

The source was from a german newspaper archive, (which cannot be faked) due to laws of copy writing an a whole bunch of other infringements, though the story can be questioned in how ever way you want it to take it in, you wanna call it fake...ask me if I care? (I dont) I'm merely showing historical records.. I will see if I can dig up more information on it, a little later...but as is, its pretty legit if you ask me.

Records of there distributions in india are scattered, an all you have now days from B.s fans is saying they only ever lived in gir forest...which there sources "Censes" are only covering the late 18th an early 19th century something that is in later times before they were highly poached. There are tons of records showing before the 17th century lions inhabitated from east to west to north to south of india in certain locations. (With proof)=of Indian cultural diplictions an historical records. So please spare me, the oh lions never lived in jungles jazz.

Its really no biggie bud...I really am past the whole sceptic parts in terms of opinions...I merely find a document an present it, nothing more. I'm also intriged in most calling B.s info on scientifical confirmations, then spew out things like tigers have a 100+ pound advantage by linking wiki or secoundary sites. Or saying that all the experts in the world favors the tiger, when not more than 20 (with credability) of being affiliated to make a higher opinionational call can be presented of a tiger will win more often...in fact its just the oposite...more experts favor the lion, which in terms are qualified to have credability by showing there experince. Not just zoos, an wild life enthusiast but real deal people that have been around them all there lives an seen them fight the other.

 

[BudAshes]

The source was from a german newspaper archive, (which cannot be faked) due to laws of copy writing an a whole bunch of other infringements, though the story can be questioned in how ever way you want it to take it in, you wanna call it fake...ask me if I care? (I dont) I'm merely showing historical records.. I will see if I can dig up more information on it, a little later...but as is, its pretty legit if you ask me.

Records of there distributions in india are scattered, an all you have now days from B.s fans is saying they only ever lived in gir forest...which there sources "Censes" are only covering the late 18th an early 19th century something that is in later times before they were highly poached. There are tons of records showing before the 17th century lions inhabitated from east to west to north to south of india in certain locations. (With proof)=of Indian cultural diplictions an historical records. So please spare me, the oh lions never lived in jungles jazz.

Its really no biggie bud...I really am past the whole sceptic parts in terms of opinions...I merely find a document an present it, nothing more. I'm also intriged in most calling B.s info on scientifical confirmations, then spew out things like tigers have a 100+ pound advantage by linking wiki or secoundary sites. Or saying that all the experts in the world favors the tiger, when not more than 20 (with credability) of being affiliated to make a higher opinionational call can be presented of a tiger will win more often...in fact its just the oposite...more experts favor the lion, which in terms are qualified to have credability by showing there experince. Not just zoos, an wild life enthusiast but real deal people that have been around them all there lives an seen them fight the other.

I don't disagree a male lion would defeat a tiger of the same size, that story just sounded made up.

 

[Silver Prime]

I don't disagree a male lion would defeat a tiger of the same size, that story just sounded made up.

Again its no biggie, I just post it...it becomes more intresting when you actually dig up what you deny...an I dont mean just googleing lions in jungles to get yahoo, answer wiki answer, secoundary fan site answer type stuff, but contacting people who lived there or a zoologist that has knowledge on subejct...the more I like to voice my own opinion or show something I like to improve its credability...for if I present something faulty it will reflect bad on me.

As for the subject...my personal opinion would be 50/50...there are different scenarios where I'd give one or the other there leverages but over all I like to stay on 50/50...I just figure I even up the playing feild since the majority of the webs fan base sites have only things highlighting the tiger's behalf.

Wiki for instance...word press...jackjacksonj an more state all tiger victories, tiger leverages, tiger advantages an shine no light on the smallest of anything that would give you the idea you even stands a chance to debate, in other words just right off the back paint a stastistics that would show a lion loses automatically, when there data....its hardly the truth.=
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