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WelshBloke

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This what?

From what I can see you trawl the internet for threads about lions and tigers fighting and then spam the crap out of them and take them way more seriously than is healthy.

For most people this subject is a brainless 5 minute time waster. For you it seems an obsession. Are you particularly obsessive in general?
 

Silver Prime

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This what?

From what I can see you trawl the internet for threads about lions and tigers fighting and then spam the crap out of them and take them way more seriously than is healthy.

For most people this subject is a brainless 5 minute time waster. For you it seems an obsession. Are you particularly obsessive in general?

Bit slow your main-frame has been running eh? I explained why already, this will be the 4th time on this very forum.

#1 Jackjacksonj site.

#2 Secoundary sites have it 80% favoring the tiger when it should be 50/50.

#3 Scienfical an educational credability which needs to have people in the fields data aprreciated not just wanks like you editing wiki with guesses.

#4 cool topic, theres literally over 200 threads about it poping up consistantly.

Retubutional answer: Its no more than a combine 70 hours of studying an searching, yet you act like this is what I do for a living...you keep saying troll yet I'm the only one out of us 2 that was ever on topic, hence your the fucking idiot troll.
Come back: what the fuck brings you here to this thread dum dum...???

Let me answer that for you, your a Trawl

XD XD XD XD
 

Silver Prime

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Secoundary retubutional scienfical answer:Jackjacksonj
aprreciated!

Yup, you ever heard of Cry wolf?, You know when your intent in lying so much, one day the big bad wolf will really come around that corner...

Go look your self the first colome, theres his site...
http://www.google.com/search?q=jack...storical+&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&gbv=1

Was his site up? Nope, because the wolf huffed an puffed an bull-dozed that M.F down XD XD XD Thats the site why I turned the tides...because when ever lies exerts it self, the truth will always surface.
 

WelshBloke

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Bit slow your main-frame has been running eh? I explained why already, this will be the 4th time on this very forum.

I'm having difficulty getting any meaning out of your answers.

#1 Jackjacksonj site.

What the hell does this mean?

#2 Secoundary sites have it 80% favoring the tiger when it should be 50/50.

So what? It's not like the lions are going to study the odds before fighting and get put off.

#3 Scienfical an educational credability which needs to have people in the fields data aprreciated not just wanks like you editing wiki with guesses.

Scientific? Educational? Your talking about an imaginary fight between two animals. Also I've never edited wiki, I'm not going to start over a subject this retarded.

#4 cool topic, theres literally over 200 threads about it poping up consistantly.

And you repost the same crap in all of them?

Retubutional answer: Its no more than a combine 70 hours of studying an searching, yet you act like this is what I do for a living...you keep saying troll yet I'm the only one out of us 2 that was ever on topic, hence your the fucking idiot troll.
Come back: what the fuck brings you here to this thread dum dum...???

Let me answer that for you, your a Trawl

XD XD XD XD

Trawl =/= troll. If it makes you feel better I have never thought that you were trolling, mentally ill yes, trolling no.
 

Silver Prime

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I'm having difficulty getting any meaning out of your answers.



What the hell does this mean?
I just said it right above your post.... Face-palm right into a buddah palm.

So what? It's not like the lions are going to study the odds before fighting and get put off.
It shows that majority of the people like going on properganda an lies more so analyzing whats factual, that can have a ripple effect, you know...the hitler effect? Beliving in a false cause. An this is a debate, for humans not lions, space man.

Scientific? Educational? Your talking about an imaginary fight between two animals. Also I've never edited wiki, I'm not going to start over a subject this retarded.
Millions of scientist have debated dinosuars in imaginary fights for the past 100 years...so whats your point? An I'm implementing people like you because well, you just come off as da kine who seems to float in that boat.

And you repost the same crap in all of them?
Nope, actually they gradually got better, thats the whole reason why I started to see if anyone had creditable informatio to add...which now I have.


Trawl =/= troll. If it makes you feel better I have never thought that you were trolling, mentally ill yes, trolling no.

No shit? I dident know that. XD XD XD XD XE

Whaw howlees >_>

Okay I was dead on that you are slow.
 

Battle Cat

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This what?

From what I can see you trawl the internet for threads about lions and tigers fighting and then spam the crap out of them and take them way more seriously than is healthy.

For most people this subject is a brainless 5 minute time waster. For you it seems an obsession. Are you particularly obsessive in general?



Why are you wasting such time commenting on someones elses post who you claim is wasting so much time. Sounds the same to me. Or is it, the difference is, while your just complaining shooting off your mouth and acting like an idiot making statements void of any substance of the debate at hand, Prime on the other hand is actually giving you an education on lions and tigers, but you are apparently to dumb to realize that, so since the only thing your familiar with is trolling, all you can do is hurl insults to the very thing you understand the most which is trolling. So hence your a troller, or either that your a tiger fan, but just to dumb to defend your argument.
 

WelshBloke

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It shows that majority of the people like going on properganda an lies more so analyzing whats factual, that can have a ripple effect, you know...the hitler effect? Beliving in a false cause. An this is a debate, for humans not lions, space man.

Are you implying that beliving that a tiger might beat a lion in a fight might start off another pogrom or the invasion of Poland?


Millions of scientist have debated dinosuars in imaginary fights for the past 100 years...so whats your point? An I'm implementing people like you because well, you just come off as da kine who seems to float in that boat.

Millions? Really? I've seen research about diet and habitat but not retarded arguments about which could beat up the other.

Also implementing? What?


Nope, actually they gradually got better, thats the whole reason why I started to see if anyone had creditable informatio to add...which now I have.

You mean you used to make less sense than this?
 

Silver Prime

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Why are you wasting such time commenting on someones elses post who you claim is wasting so much time. Sounds the same to me. Or is it, the difference is, while your just complaining shooting off your mouth and acting like an idiot making statements void of any substance of the debate at hand, Prime on the other hand is actually giving you an education on lions and tigers, but you are apparently to dumb to realize that, so since the only thing your familiar with is trolling, all you can do is hurl insults to the very thing you understand the most which is trolling. So hence your a troller, or either that your a tiger fan, but just to dumb to defend your argument.

Hey D,

Mean, there was this huge storm this morning which cancled my plans, but now I see blue skys...XD Hilarious, these guys made my day brighter too. Post like.... I dident read your post, an in the same sentence says I'm entertaining...XD How can you not read the post an than label it intertaining in the same sentence?

Contradictions one after another.

You also have welsh, who's repeats why am I here like the words are going to expire, an keeps asking them even though I answer them multiple times, hes like a broken record. You watch, he'll ask me the same question again. But I figure I'll have fun with them. XD XE
 
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Silver Prime

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Are you implying that beliving that a tiger might beat a lion in a fight might start off another pogrom or the invasion of Poland?

Millions? Really? I've seen research about diet and habitat but not retarded arguments about which could beat up the other.

Also implementing? What?

You mean you used to make less sense than this?

Its an implimation to enphinsize similarities to an extent, its not an exact replica of the occasion or convo, geez now I know your a troll an you posted almost 10,000 post whoa! I cant imagine all the people who are just dying to meet you. XD Are-you-serious??? Just thinking of there diet would mean what they eat, unless back in the prehistoric days dinos willingly just sat down next to the carnivore an said, eat me! Which means people hypothisized how dinos Fought, retard.

Awww am I getting to you bud? I hope not, I wouldent wanna ruin our beautiful relationship....XD XD XD XE
 

WelshBloke

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Its an implimation to enphinsize similarities to an extent, its not an exact replica of the occasion or convo, geez now I know your a troll an you posted almost 10,000 post whoa! I cant imagine all the people who are just dying to meet you. XD Are-you-serious??? Just thinking of there diet would mean what they eat, unless back in the prehistoric days dinos willingly just sat down next to the carnivore an said, eat me! Which means people hypothisized how dinos Fought, retard.

Awww am I getting to you bud? I hope not, I wouldent wanna ruin our beautiful relationship....XD XD XD XE

You see similarities in your daft argument and hitler? OK....

But we know what lions eat and we know what tigers eat so where's the great scientific endeavour in your subject? Scientists didn't study dinosaurs to go "lol, my dinosaur can beat your dinosaur up".

And, no, you're not getting to me. Like I said earlier, I find you very interesting.
 

Battle Cat

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Hey D,

Mean, there was this huge storm this morning which cancled my plans, but now I see blue skys...XD Hilarious, these guys made my day brighter too. Post like.... I dident read your post, an in the same sentence says I'm entertaining...XD How can you not read the post an than label it intertaining in the same sentence?

Contradictions one after another.

You also have welsh, who's repeats why am I here like the words are going to expire, an keeps asking them even though I answer them multiple times, hes like a broken record. You watch, he'll ask me the same question again. But I figure I'll have fun with them. XD XE



These guys are dumber then I thought, your giving them a free education yet they don't even know it, they should be more grateful don't they have any manners where there from.
 

WelshBloke

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Why are you wasting such time commenting on someones elses post who you claim is wasting so much time.

Because I find his motivation bafflingly interesting.

Prime on the other hand is actually giving you an education on lions and tigers, but you are apparently to dumb to realize that

His argument is "lol this type of cat can beat up this other type of cat" I'm not sure that counts as educational anywhere on this planet.


or either that your a tiger fan,

See this is why people think your the same poster. Being a fan of a species of animal is a bit weird to us here and to have two turn up like this that both know each other and post similarly... Well you can forgive us for thinking the obvious.
 

Silver Prime

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These guys are dumber then I thought, your giving them a free education yet they don't even know it, they should be more grateful don't they have any manners where there from.

Actually, people like Juddog, I like....because it gives me motivation that my job is not done. It will make me more determined to increase creadbility, substance an amount. In no way they'll ever get to me...I have to much a humble stone to have petty remarks mean anything, but I know they dont...me insulting them back makes me feel there pain mainly because they cant let it go, they are as they say... mind-fucked! I'm constantly in there mind thats why they keep coming back.

I can let it go anytime I like, after all I brought the data, they cant because they made it personal not bizness which come to think of it, I'm neither I'm only to increase the format of educational credability, because even the most best sites I came across suck in terms of a universal answer. Which if you dont have it as 50/50 then theres a problem, which no site has ever accumilated enough to make it conclusive.
 

BudAshes

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These guys are dumber then I thought, your giving them a free education yet they don't even know it, they should be more grateful don't they have any manners where there from.
So what are we being educated on exactly? Will this be on the SAT's?
 

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Because I find his motivation bafflingly interesting.



His argument is "lol this type of cat can beat up this other type of cat" I'm not sure that counts as educational anywhere on this planet.




See this is why people think your the same poster. Being a fan of a species of animal is a bit weird to us here and to have two turn up like this that both know each other and post similarly... Well you can forgive us for thinking the obvious.


You hit the nail on the head when you said bafflingly interesting, key word baffled, in other words yes your confused dumb founded, like I said your not following us, at least your admitting it in a unintentional kind of way none the less.
 

WelshBloke

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You hit the nail on the head when you said bafflingly interesting, key word baffled, in other words yes your confused dumb founded, like I said your not following us, at least your admitting it in a unintentional kind of way none the less.

Admitting it? It's what I've been saying from the start. And it's not just me.

I'll see if I can put it simpler.

I couldn't give a shit about the ins and outs of a fight between a lion and a tiger.

What I find fascinating is that there are people who do, and take it so seriously that they apparently see everyone else as either tiger fans or lion fans.

I find it fascinating that this is apparently an argument that you spread around the internet wherever anyone mentions the subject. You seem to have evangelical zeal about a very strange and pointless subject.

It's a bizarre subject to feel strongly about.
 

Soundmanred

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The tiger (Panthera tigris) is the largest cat species, reaching a total body length of up to 3.3 metres (11 ft) and weighing up to 306 kg (670 lb). It is the third largest land carnivore (behind only the Polar bear and the Brown bear). Its most recognizable feature is a pattern of dark vertical stripes on reddish-orange fur with lighter underside. It has exceptionally stout teeth, and the canines are the longest among living felids with a crown height of as much as 74.5 mm (2.93 in) or even 90 mm (3.5 in).[4] In zoos, tigers have lived for 20 to 26 years, which also seems to be their longevity in the wild.[5] They are territorial and generally solitary but social animals, often requiring large contiguous areas of habitat that support their prey requirements. This, coupled with the fact that they are indigenous to some of the more densely populated places on Earth, has caused significant conflicts with humans.
Tigers once ranged widely across Asia, from Turkey in the west to the eastern coast of Russia. Over the past 100 years, they have lost 93% of their historic range, and have been extirpated from southwest and central Asia, from the islands of Java and Bali, and from large areas of Southeast and Eastern Asia. Today, they range from the Siberian taiga to open grasslands and tropical mangrove swamps. The remaining six tiger subspecies have been classified as endangered by IUCN. The global population in the wild is estimated to number between 3,062 to 3,948 individuals, down from around 100,000 at the start of the 20th century,[6] with most remaining populations occurring in small pockets that are isolated from each other. Major reasons for population decline include habitat destruction, habitat fragmentation and poaching.[1] The extent of area occupied by tigers is estimated at less than 1,184,911 km2 (457,497 sq mi), a 41% decline from the area estimated in the mid-1990s.[7]
Tigers are among the most recognisable and popular of the world's charismatic megafauna. They have featured prominently in ancient mythology and folklore, and continue to be depicted in modern films and literature. Tigers appear on many flags, coats of arms, and as mascots for sporting teams.[8] The Bengal tiger is the national animal of Bangladesh and India.[9][10]
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Taxonomy and etymology

In 1758, Linnaeus first described the species in his work Systema Naturae under the scientific name Felis tigris.[3] In 1929, the British taxonomist Reginald Innes Pocock subordinated the species under the genus Panthera using the scientific name Panthera tigris.[11]
The word Panthera is probably of Oriental origin and retraceable to the Ancient Greek word panther, the Latin word panthera, the Old French word pantere, most likely meaning "the yellowish animal", or from pandarah meaning whitish-yellow. The derivation from Greek pan- ("all") and ther ("beast") may be folk etymology that led to many curious fables.[12]
The word "tiger" is retraceable to the Latin word tigris meaning a spotted tigerhound of Actaeon.[13] The Greek word tigris is possibly derived from a Persian source.[14]

Range of the tiger in 1900 and 1990


Characteristics and evolution


The oldest remains of a tiger-like cat, called Panthera palaeosinensis, have been found in China and Java. This species lived about 2 million years ago, at the beginning of the Pleistocene, and was smaller than a modern tiger. The earliest fossils of true tigers are known from Java, and are between 1.6 and 1.8 million years old. Distinct fossils from the early and middle Pleistocene were also discovered in deposits from China, and Sumatra. A subspecies called the Trinil tiger (Panthera tigris trinilensis) lived about 1.2 million years ago and is known from fossils found at Trinil in Java.[15]
Tigers first reached India and northern Asia in the late Pleistocene, reaching eastern Beringia (but not the American Continent), Japan, and Sakhalin. Fossils found in Japan indicate that the local tigers were, like the surviving island subspecies, smaller than the mainland forms. This may be due to the phenomenon in which body size is related to environmental space (see insular dwarfism), or perhaps the availability of prey. Until the Holocene, tigers also lived in Borneo, as well as on the island of Palawan in the Philippines.[16]
Characteristics

"Tiger tail" redirects here. It is not to be confused with Tiger Tale, Tiger Trail, or Tigertail.



Tigers have muscular bodies with particularly powerful forelimbs and large heads. The pelage coloration varies between shades of orange or brown with white ventral areas and distinctive black stripes. The face has long whiskers, which are especially long in males. The pupils are circular with yellow irises. The small, rounded ears have black markings on the back, surrounding a white spot.[4] These spots, called ocelli, play an important role in intraspecific communication.[17]
The pattern of stripes is unique to each animal, these unique markings can be used by researchers to identify individuals (both in the wild and captivity), much in the same way that fingerprints are used to identify humans. It seems likely that the function of stripes is camouflage, serving to help tigers conceal themselves amongst the dappled shadows and long grass of their environment as they stalk their prey. The stripe pattern is also found on the skin of the tiger. If a tiger were to be shaved, its distinctive camouflage pattern would be preserved.
Tigers are the most variable in size of all big cats, even more so than leopards and much more so than lions.[18] The Bengal, Caspian and Siberian tiger subspecies represent the largest living felids, and rank among the biggest felids that ever existed. An average adult male tiger from Northern India or Siberia outweighs an average adult male lion by around 45.5 kg (100 lb).[18] Females vary in length from 200 to 275 cm (79 to 108 in), weigh 65 to 167 kg (140 to 370 lb) with a greatest length of skull ranging from 268 to 318 mm (10.6 to 12.5 in). Males vary in size from 250 to 390 cm (98 to 150 in), weigh 90 to 306 kg (200 to 670 lb) with a greatest length of skull ranging from 316 to 383 mm (12.4 to 15.1 in).[19] Body size of different populations seems to be correlated with climate—Bergmann's Rule—and can be explained from the point of view of thermoregulation.[4] Large male Siberian tigers can reach a total length of more than 3.5 m (11.5 ft) "over curves", 3.3 m (10.8 ft) "between pegs" and a weight of 306 kg (670 lb). This is considerably larger than the size reached by the smallest living tiger subspecies, the Sumatran tiger, which reach a body weight of 75 to 140 kg (170 to 310 lb). Of the total length of a tiger, the tail comprises 0.6 to 1.1 m (2.0 to 3.6 ft).[20][21] At the shoulder, tigers may variously stand 0.7 to 1.22 m (2.3 to 4.0 ft) tall.[5] The accepted record weight, per the Guinness Book of World Records, for a wild tiger was 389 kg (860 lb) for a Bengal tiger shot in 1967, though its weight may have been boosted by the fact that it had eaten a water buffalo the previous night.[22][23]
Tigresses are smaller than the males in each subspecies, although the size difference between male and female tigers tends to be more pronounced in the larger tiger subspecies, with males weighing up to 1.7 times more than the females.[24] In addition, male tigers have wider forepaw pads than females. Biologists use this difference to determine gender based on tiger tracks.[25] The skull of the tiger is very similar to that of the lion, though the frontal region is usually not as depressed or flattened, with a slightly longer postorbital region. The skull of a lion has broader nasal openings. However, due to the amount of skull variation in the two species, usually, only the structure of the lower jaw can be used as a reliable indicator of species.[26]
Subspecies





There are nine subspecies of tiger, three of which are extinct. Their historical range in Bangladesh, Siberia, Iran, Afghanistan, India, China, and southeast Asia, including three Indonesian islands is severely diminished today. The surviving subspecies, in descending order of wild population, are:
  • The Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris tigris), also called the Indian tiger, lives in India, Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh, and is the most common subspecies with populations estimated at less than 2,500 adult individuals. In 2011 the total population of adult tigers is estimated at 1,520–1,909 in India, 440 in Bangladesh, 155 in Nepal and 75 in Bhutan.[27] It lives in alluvial grasslands, subtropical and tropical rainforests, scrub forests, wet and dry deciduous forests, and mangroves. Male Bengal tigers had a total length, including the tail, of 270 to 310 cm (110 to 120 in), while females range from 240 to 265 cm (94 to 104 in). The weight of males range from 175 to 260 kg (390 to 570 lb), while that of the females range from 100 to 181 kg (220 to 400 lb).[4][28] In northern India and Nepal, tigers tend to be of larger size. Males often average 235 kilograms (520 lb), while females average 141 kilograms (310 lb).[29] In 1972, Project Tiger was founded in India aiming at ensuring a viable population of tigers in the country and preserving areas of biological importance as a natural heritage for the people.[30] But the illicit demand for bones and body parts from wild tigers for use in Traditional Chinese medicine is the reason for the unrelenting poaching pressure on tigers on the Indian subcontinent.[31] Between 1994 and 2009, the Wildlife Protection Society of India has documented 893 cases of tigers killed in India, which is just a fraction of the actual poaching and illegal trade in tiger parts during those years.[32] An area of special conservation interest lies in the Terai Arc Landscape in the Himalayan foothills of northern India and southern Nepal, where 11 protected areas comprising dry forest foothills and tall grass savannas harbor tigers in a 49,000 square kilometres (19,000 sq mi) landscape. The goals are to manage tigers as a single metapopulation, the dispersal of which between core refuges can help maintain genetic, demographic, and ecological integrity, and to ensure that species and habitat conservation becomes mainstreamed into the rural development agenda. In Nepal, a community-based tourism model has been developed with a strong emphasis on sharing benefits with local people and on the regeneration of degraded forests. The approach has been successful in reducing poaching, restoring habitats, and creating a local constituency for conservation.[33]
  • The Indochinese tiger (Panthera tigris corbetti), also called Corbett's tiger, is found in Cambodia, China, Laos, Burma, Thailand, and Vietnam. These tigers are smaller and darker than Bengal tigers: Males weigh from 150–190 kg (330–420 lb) while females are smaller at 110–140 kg (240–310 lb). Their preferred habitat is forests in mountainous or hilly regions. According to government estimates of national tiger populations, the subspecies numbers around a total of 350 individuals.[34] All existing populations are at extreme risk from poaching, prey depletion as a result of poaching of primary prey species such as deer and wild pigs, habitat fragmentation and inbreeding. In Vietnam, almost three-quarters of the tigers killed provide stock for Chinese pharmacies.
  • The Malayan tiger (Panthera tigris jacksoni), exclusively found in the southern part of the Malay Peninsula, was not considered a subspecies in its own right until 2004. The new classification came about after a study by Luo et al. from the Laboratory of Genomic Diversity Study, part of the National Cancer Institute of the United States. According to official government figures, the population in the wild may number around 500 individuals, but is under considerable poaching pressure. The Malayan tiger is the smallest of the mainland tiger subspecies, and the second smallest living subspecies, with males averaging about 120 kg (260 lb) and females about 100 kg (220 lb) in weight. The Malayan tiger is a national icon in Malaysia, appearing on its coat of arms and in logos of Malaysian institutions, such as Maybank.
  • The Sumatran tiger (Panthera tigris sumatrae) is found only on the Indonesian island of Sumatra, and is critically endangered.[35] It is the smallest of all living tiger subspecies, with adult males weighing between 100–140 kg (220–310 lb) and females 75–110 kg (170–240 lb).[36] Their small size is an adaptation to the thick, dense forests of the island of Sumatra where they reside, as well as the smaller-sized prey. The wild population is estimated at between 400 and 500, seen chiefly in the island's national parks. Recent genetic testing has revealed the presence of unique genetic markers, indicating that it may develop into a separate species,[specify] if it does not go extinct.[37] This has led to suggestions that Sumatran tigers should have greater priority for conservation than any other subspecies. While habitat destruction is the main threat to existing tiger population (logging continues even in the supposedly protected national parks), 66 tigers were recorded as being shot and killed between 1998 and 2000, or nearly 20% of the total population.
  • The Siberian tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), also known as the Amur tiger, inhabits the Amur-Ussuri region of Primorsky Krai and Khabarovsk Krai in far eastern Siberia.[38] It ranks among the biggest felids that have ever existed with a head and body length of 160–180 cm (63–71 in) for females and 190–230 cm (75–91 in) for males, plus a tail of about 60–110 cm (24–43 in) and an average weight of around 227 kg (500 lb) for males. Siberian tigers have thick coats and a paler golden hue and fewer stripes.[4] The heaviest wild Siberian tiger weighed 384 kg (850 lb) but according to Mazák this record is not reliable.[5] In 2005, there were 331–393 adult-subadult Siberian tigers in the region, with a breeding adult population of about 250 individuals. The population has been stable for more than a decade, but partial surveys conducted after 2005 indicate that the Russian tiger population is declining.[39] At the turn of the century, the phylogenetic relationships of tiger subspecies was re-assessed, and a remarkable similarity between the Siberian and Caspian tiger observed indicating that the Siberian tiger population is the genetically closest living relative of the extinct Caspian tiger, and strongly implying a very recent common ancestry for the two groups.[40]
  • The South China tiger (Panthera tigris amoyensis), also known as the Amoy or Xiamen tiger, is the most critically endangered subspecies of tiger and is listed as one of the 10 most endangered animals in the world.[41] One of the smaller tiger subspecies, the length of the South China tiger ranges from 2.2–2.6 m (87–100 in) for both males and females. Males weigh between 127 and 177 kg (280 and 390 lb) while females weigh between 100 and 118 kg (220 and 260 lb). From 1983 to 2007, no South China tigers were sighted.[42] In 2007 a farmer spotted a tiger and handed in photographs to the authorities as proof.[42][43] The photographs in question, however, were later exposed as fake, copied from a Chinese calendar and digitally altered, and the "sighting" turned into a massive scandal.[44][45][46] In 1977, the Chinese government passed a law banning the killing of wild tigers, but this may have been too late to save the subspecies, since it is possibly already extinct in the wild. There are currently 59 known captive South China tigers, all within China, but these are known to be descended from only six animals. Thus, the genetic diversity required to maintain the subspecies may no longer exist.[citation needed] Currently, there are breeding efforts to reintroduce these tigers to the wild.[citation needed]

  • The Bali tiger (Panthera tigris balica) was limited to the Indonesian island of Bali, and was the smallest subspecies with a weight of 90–100 kg (200–220 lb) in males and 65–80 kg (140–180 lb) in females.[5] Bali tigers were hunted to extinction—the last Bali tiger, an adult female, is thought to have been killed at Sumbar Kima, West Bali on 27 September 1937. There is no Bali tiger in captivity. The tiger still plays an important role in Balinese Hinduism.
  • The Caspian tiger (Panthera tigris virgata), also known as the Hyrcanian tiger or Turan tiger was found in the sparse forest habitats and riverine corridors west and south of the Caspian Sea and west through Central Asia into the Takla-Makan desert of Xinjiang, and has been recorded in the wild until the early 1970s.[47] The Amur tiger is the genetically closest living relative of the Caspian tiger.[40]
  • The Javan tiger (Panthera tigris sondaica) was limited to the island of Java, and has been recorded until the mid-1970s.[48] Javan tigers were larger than Bali tigers; males weighed 100–140 kg (220–310 lb) and females 75–115 kg (170–250 lb).[49] After 1979, there were no more confirmed sightings in the region of Mount Betiri.[50] An expedition to Mount Halimun Salak National Park in 1990 did not yield any definite, direct evidence for the continued existence of tigers.[51]
Hybrids

Further information: Panthera hybrid, Liger and Tiglon
Hybridisation among the big cats, including the tiger, was first conceptualised in the 19th century, when zoos were particularly interested in the pursuit of finding oddities to display for financial gain.[52] Lions have been known to breed with tigers (most often the Amur and Bengal subspecies) to create hybrids called ligers and tigons.[53] Such hybrids were once commonly bred in zoos, but this is now discouraged due to the emphasis on conserving species and subspecies. Hybrids are still bred in private menageries and in zoos in China.
The liger is a cross between a male lion and a tigress.[54] Because the lion sire passes on a growth-promoting gene, but the corresponding growth-inhibiting gene from the female tiger is absent, ligers grow far larger than either parent. They share physical and behavioural qualities of both parent species (spots and stripes on a sandy background). Male ligers are sterile, but female ligers are often fertile. Males have about a 50% chance of having a mane, but, even if they do, their manes will be only around half the size of that of a pure lion. Ligers are typically between 10 to 12 feet in length, and can be between 800 and 1,000 pounds or more.[54]
The less common tigon is a cross between the lioness and the male tiger.[55]
 

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So what are we being educated on exactly? Will this be on the SAT's?

Well it depends if you are going into a specfic field...right?

If you wanna be a circus performer (which they still do) have to learn the agression patterns of the big cats, an know when you mixed the cats you have a potential in losing money an being responcible for allowing them for killing each other.

Sientifical structures of anatomy, as in Biologist, an Zoologist. Who records the data an presents it, unless you'll have tiger fangs claws on wiki 2 feet long, weights of them how they are now on wiki like tigers have a 100 pound advantage when its more like 30 pounds, an not enphinsizing that lions on average are the biggest cats in the world, while tigers are the biggest cats individual wise...those things need to be explained, unless you'll have nimrods like on youtube who say tigers are 2-4 x bigger.

Historically, small things like sculptures an art can be very important to some as there identity to there past...having things like wiki or secondary sites repaint a culture by a person writing it who isint even native to that culture can offend those who worked hard to preserve it or are that culture by blood, like how the idiot earlyer told me that Haole pernounced how-lee means white man...when keo keo means white, an spelled either Ha'ole or ha'oli means happy in terms used as Ha'ole or ha'oli la hanau means happy birthday ...howlee pernounced How-lee means foriegner or tourist. But in this catagorie it will be more so leaned on a archaeologist or a historian...which I brought as evidence...did anyone bring one of those to there behalf? Not that I'm aware of. Its very educational if you ask me.

But as I said, these are what I impliment educational wise, everyone else seems to just pay attention an focus like all I ever said was the lion wins...which I didnt, the data did...2 different things...you know...ultimately thats why everyone clicked into view the thread, but I look past who won...which what I have been stating.
 

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The tiger (Panthera tigris) is the largest cat species, reaching a total body length of up to 3.3 metres (11 ft) and weighing up to 306 kg (670 lb). It is the third largest land carnivore (behind only the Polar bear and the Brown bear). Its most recognizable feature is a pattern of dark vertical stripes on reddish-orange fur with lighter underside. It has exceptionally stout teeth, and the canines are the longest among living felids with a crown height of as much as 74.5 mm (2.93 in) or even 90 mm (3.5 in).[4] In zoos, tigers have lived for 20 to 26 years, which also seems to be their longevity in the wild.[5] They are territorial and generally solitary but social animals, often requiring large contiguous areas of habitat that support their prey requirements. This, coupled with the fact that they are indigenous to some of the more densely populated places on Earth, has caused significant conflicts with humans.
Tigers once ranged widely across Asia, from Turkey in the west to the eastern coast of Russia. Over the past 100 years, they have lost 93% of their historic range, and have been extirpated from southwest and central Asia, from the islands of Java and Bali, and from large areas of Southeast and Eastern Asia. Today, they range from the Siberian taiga to open grasslands and tropical mangrove swamps. The remaining six tiger subspecies have been classified as endangered by IUCN. The global population in the wild is estimated to number between 3,062 to 3,948 individuals, down from around 100,000 at the start of the 20th century,[6] with most remaining populations occurring in small pockets that are isolated from each other. Major reasons for population decline include habitat destruction, habitat fragmentation and poaching.[1] The extent of area occupied by tigers is estimated at less than 1,184,911 km2 (457,497 sq mi), a 41% decline from the area estimated in the mid-1990s.[7]
Tigers are among the most recognisable and popular of the world's charismatic megafauna. They have featured prominently in ancient mythology and folklore, and continue to be depicted in modern films and literature. Tigers appear on many flags, coats of arms, and as mascots for sporting teams.[8] The Bengal tiger is the national animal of Bangladesh and India.[9][10]
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Taxonomy and etymology

In 1758, Linnaeus first described the species in his work Systema Naturae under the scientific name Felis tigris.[3] In 1929, the British taxonomist Reginald Innes Pocock subordinated the species under the genus Panthera using the scientific name Panthera tigris.[11]
The word Panthera is probably of Oriental origin and retraceable to the Ancient Greek word panther, the Latin word panthera, the Old French word pantere, most likely meaning "the yellowish animal", or from pandarah meaning whitish-yellow. The derivation from Greek pan- ("all") and ther ("beast") may be folk etymology that led to many curious fables.[12]
The word "tiger" is retraceable to the Latin word tigris meaning a spotted tigerhound of Actaeon.[13] The Greek word tigris is possibly derived from a Persian source.[14]

Range of the tiger in 1900 and 1990


Characteristics and evolution


The oldest remains of a tiger-like cat, called Panthera palaeosinensis, have been found in China and Java. This species lived about 2 million years ago, at the beginning of the Pleistocene, and was smaller than a modern tiger. The earliest fossils of true tigers are known from Java, and are between 1.6 and 1.8 million years old. Distinct fossils from the early and middle Pleistocene were also discovered in deposits from China, and Sumatra. A subspecies called the Trinil tiger (Panthera tigris trinilensis) lived about 1.2 million years ago and is known from fossils found at Trinil in Java.[15]
Tigers first reached India and northern Asia in the late Pleistocene, reaching eastern Beringia (but not the American Continent), Japan, and Sakhalin. Fossils found in Japan indicate that the local tigers were, like the surviving island subspecies, smaller than the mainland forms. This may be due to the phenomenon in which body size is related to environmental space (see insular dwarfism), or perhaps the availability of prey. Until the Holocene, tigers also lived in Borneo, as well as on the island of Palawan in the Philippines.[16]
Characteristics

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Tigers have muscular bodies with particularly powerful forelimbs and large heads. The pelage coloration varies between shades of orange or brown with white ventral areas and distinctive black stripes. The face has long whiskers, which are especially long in males. The pupils are circular with yellow irises. The small, rounded ears have black markings on the back, surrounding a white spot.[4] These spots, called ocelli, play an important role in intraspecific communication.[17]
The pattern of stripes is unique to each animal, these unique markings can be used by researchers to identify individuals (both in the wild and captivity), much in the same way that fingerprints are used to identify humans. It seems likely that the function of stripes is camouflage, serving to help tigers conceal themselves amongst the dappled shadows and long grass of their environment as they stalk their prey. The stripe pattern is also found on the skin of the tiger. If a tiger were to be shaved, its distinctive camouflage pattern would be preserved.
Tigers are the most variable in size of all big cats, even more so than leopards and much more so than lions.[18] The Bengal, Caspian and Siberian tiger subspecies represent the largest living felids, and rank among the biggest felids that ever existed. An average adult male tiger from Northern India or Siberia outweighs an average adult male lion by around 45.5 kg (100 lb).[18] Females vary in length from 200 to 275 cm (79 to 108 in), weigh 65 to 167 kg (140 to 370 lb) with a greatest length of skull ranging from 268 to 318 mm (10.6 to 12.5 in). Males vary in size from 250 to 390 cm (98 to 150 in), weigh 90 to 306 kg (200 to 670 lb) with a greatest length of skull ranging from 316 to 383 mm (12.4 to 15.1 in).[19] Body size of different populations seems to be correlated with climate—Bergmann's Rule—and can be explained from the point of view of thermoregulation.[4] Large male Siberian tigers can reach a total length of more than 3.5 m (11.5 ft) "over curves", 3.3 m (10.8 ft) "between pegs" and a weight of 306 kg (670 lb). This is considerably larger than the size reached by the smallest living tiger subspecies, the Sumatran tiger, which reach a body weight of 75 to 140 kg (170 to 310 lb). Of the total length of a tiger, the tail comprises 0.6 to 1.1 m (2.0 to 3.6 ft).[20][21] At the shoulder, tigers may variously stand 0.7 to 1.22 m (2.3 to 4.0 ft) tall.[5] The accepted record weight, per the Guinness Book of World Records, for a wild tiger was 389 kg (860 lb) for a Bengal tiger shot in 1967, though its weight may have been boosted by the fact that it had eaten a water buffalo the previous night.[22][23]
Tigresses are smaller than the males in each subspecies, although the size difference between male and female tigers tends to be more pronounced in the larger tiger subspecies, with males weighing up to 1.7 times more than the females.[24] In addition, male tigers have wider forepaw pads than females. Biologists use this difference to determine gender based on tiger tracks.[25] The skull of the tiger is very similar to that of the lion, though the frontal region is usually not as depressed or flattened, with a slightly longer postorbital region. The skull of a lion has broader nasal openings. However, due to the amount of skull variation in the two species, usually, only the structure of the lower jaw can be used as a reliable indicator of species.[26]
Subspecies





There are nine subspecies of tiger, three of which are extinct. Their historical range in Bangladesh, Siberia, Iran, Afghanistan, India, China, and southeast Asia, including three Indonesian islands is severely diminished today. The surviving subspecies, in descending order of wild population, are:
  • The Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris tigris), also called the Indian tiger, lives in India, Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh, and is the most common subspecies with populations estimated at less than 2,500 adult individuals. In 2011 the total population of adult tigers is estimated at 1,520–1,909 in India, 440 in Bangladesh, 155 in Nepal and 75 in Bhutan.[27] It lives in alluvial grasslands, subtropical and tropical rainforests, scrub forests, wet and dry deciduous forests, and mangroves. Male Bengal tigers had a total length, including the tail, of 270 to 310 cm (110 to 120 in), while females range from 240 to 265 cm (94 to 104 in). The weight of males range from 175 to 260 kg (390 to 570 lb), while that of the females range from 100 to 181 kg (220 to 400 lb).[4][28] In northern India and Nepal, tigers tend to be of larger size. Males often average 235 kilograms (520 lb), while females average 141 kilograms (310 lb).[29] In 1972, Project Tiger was founded in India aiming at ensuring a viable population of tigers in the country and preserving areas of biological importance as a natural heritage for the people.[30] But the illicit demand for bones and body parts from wild tigers for use in Traditional Chinese medicine is the reason for the unrelenting poaching pressure on tigers on the Indian subcontinent.[31] Between 1994 and 2009, the Wildlife Protection Society of India has documented 893 cases of tigers killed in India, which is just a fraction of the actual poaching and illegal trade in tiger parts during those years.[32] An area of special conservation interest lies in the Terai Arc Landscape in the Himalayan foothills of northern India and southern Nepal, where 11 protected areas comprising dry forest foothills and tall grass savannas harbor tigers in a 49,000 square kilometres (19,000 sq mi) landscape. The goals are to manage tigers as a single metapopulation, the dispersal of which between core refuges can help maintain genetic, demographic, and ecological integrity, and to ensure that species and habitat conservation becomes mainstreamed into the rural development agenda. In Nepal, a community-based tourism model has been developed with a strong emphasis on sharing benefits with local people and on the regeneration of degraded forests. The approach has been successful in reducing poaching, restoring habitats, and creating a local constituency for conservation.[33]
  • The Indochinese tiger (Panthera tigris corbetti), also called Corbett's tiger, is found in Cambodia, China, Laos, Burma, Thailand, and Vietnam. These tigers are smaller and darker than Bengal tigers: Males weigh from 150–190 kg (330–420 lb) while females are smaller at 110–140 kg (240–310 lb). Their preferred habitat is forests in mountainous or hilly regions. According to government estimates of national tiger populations, the subspecies numbers around a total of 350 individuals.[34] All existing populations are at extreme risk from poaching, prey depletion as a result of poaching of primary prey species such as deer and wild pigs, habitat fragmentation and inbreeding. In Vietnam, almost three-quarters of the tigers killed provide stock for Chinese pharmacies.
  • The Malayan tiger (Panthera tigris jacksoni), exclusively found in the southern part of the Malay Peninsula, was not considered a subspecies in its own right until 2004. The new classification came about after a study by Luo et al. from the Laboratory of Genomic Diversity Study, part of the National Cancer Institute of the United States. According to official government figures, the population in the wild may number around 500 individuals, but is under considerable poaching pressure. The Malayan tiger is the smallest of the mainland tiger subspecies, and the second smallest living subspecies, with males averaging about 120 kg (260 lb) and females about 100 kg (220 lb) in weight. The Malayan tiger is a national icon in Malaysia, appearing on its coat of arms and in logos of Malaysian institutions, such as Maybank.
  • The Sumatran tiger (Panthera tigris sumatrae) is found only on the Indonesian island of Sumatra, and is critically endangered.[35] It is the smallest of all living tiger subspecies, with adult males weighing between 100–140 kg (220–310 lb) and females 75–110 kg (170–240 lb).[36] Their small size is an adaptation to the thick, dense forests of the island of Sumatra where they reside, as well as the smaller-sized prey. The wild population is estimated at between 400 and 500, seen chiefly in the island's national parks. Recent genetic testing has revealed the presence of unique genetic markers, indicating that it may develop into a separate species,[specify] if it does not go extinct.[37] This has led to suggestions that Sumatran tigers should have greater priority for conservation than any other subspecies. While habitat destruction is the main threat to existing tiger population (logging continues even in the supposedly protected national parks), 66 tigers were recorded as being shot and killed between 1998 and 2000, or nearly 20% of the total population.
  • The Siberian tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), also known as the Amur tiger, inhabits the Amur-Ussuri region of Primorsky Krai and Khabarovsk Krai in far eastern Siberia.[38] It ranks among the biggest felids that have ever existed with a head and body length of 160–180 cm (63–71 in) for females and 190–230 cm (75–91 in) for males, plus a tail of about 60–110 cm (24–43 in) and an average weight of around 227 kg (500 lb) for males. Siberian tigers have thick coats and a paler golden hue and fewer stripes.[4] The heaviest wild Siberian tiger weighed 384 kg (850 lb) but according to Mazák this record is not reliable.[5] In 2005, there were 331–393 adult-subadult Siberian tigers in the region, with a breeding adult population of about 250 individuals. The population has been stable for more than a decade, but partial surveys conducted after 2005 indicate that the Russian tiger population is declining.[39] At the turn of the century, the phylogenetic relationships of tiger subspecies was re-assessed, and a remarkable similarity between the Siberian and Caspian tiger observed indicating that the Siberian tiger population is the genetically closest living relative of the extinct Caspian tiger, and strongly implying a very recent common ancestry for the two groups.[40]
  • The South China tiger (Panthera tigris amoyensis), also known as the Amoy or Xiamen tiger, is the most critically endangered subspecies of tiger and is listed as one of the 10 most endangered animals in the world.[41] One of the smaller tiger subspecies, the length of the South China tiger ranges from 2.2–2.6 m (87–100 in) for both males and females. Males weigh between 127 and 177 kg (280 and 390 lb) while females weigh between 100 and 118 kg (220 and 260 lb). From 1983 to 2007, no South China tigers were sighted.[42] In 2007 a farmer spotted a tiger and handed in photographs to the authorities as proof.[42][43] The photographs in question, however, were later exposed as fake, copied from a Chinese calendar and digitally altered, and the "sighting" turned into a massive scandal.[44][45][46] In 1977, the Chinese government passed a law banning the killing of wild tigers, but this may have been too late to save the subspecies, since it is possibly already extinct in the wild. There are currently 59 known captive South China tigers, all within China, but these are known to be descended from only six animals. Thus, the genetic diversity required to maintain the subspecies may no longer exist.[citation needed] Currently, there are breeding efforts to reintroduce these tigers to the wild.[citation needed]


  • XD Thanks for showing your a cry baby Mr. Howlee, I'll humilate you since you oh so wanted to be.

    Now tell me genius, what do tigers as a whole speices weigh in terms of there kosmos average?
 

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i guarantee you could not quote a single fact, in person, without referencing your cut&paste list.

I bet I could, I put them together so I would know...do you ever read a book an just forget the entire thing right after?
 
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