Lion pwns Hyena = awesome

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I found something more scientific to answer this question:

Almost all queries received on this topic request answers to the lion versus tiger question. Oddly, few people simply ask which is considered the Ultimate Carnivore.

This honour is held by an animal the tiger does not often have encounter; it is the grizzly bear.

The grizzly bear is a poor predator, taking down a caribou only when the opportunity arises. This, however, shifted his evolution in favour of the job in hand, namely as a digger of hard barren ground for roots, tubers and den building. The grizzly bear subsequently evolved enormous bone and muscle density; roughly ten times our own for a given size. They have developed into huge and enormously powerful animals.

Big cat biology is very different. They have evolved powerful elastic muscles over a low weight, low density bone structure to suit their purpose of chasing down prey.

The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the unfortunate bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor.

Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull.

The Californians never understood why. We now know that it was enormously strong bone density meeting a low density skull. At a range of 4 feet the blow crashed in before the lion could apply the wind pipe lock, which is lion and tiger learnt behaviour for taking down prey animals.

The ferocity of this animal easily matches that of an unsettled African lion.

"Daaaaaaa Bears!" :beer:

I'm not doubting that a lion or tiger would get its ass handed to it by a bear, but if you throw in 2 more lions the bear doesn't have a chance. The whole problem is that an individual lion won't attack the bear with intelligence, it'll just charge for the throat and get bashed in the face by a big ass paw. If it approached it with more common sense, or had a few buddies with him...

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Deeko
ha this video was fitting...the pack of females get beaten, then the single male comes in and fvcks sh!t up. Just like the real world....

Female lions are largely built for standard stealthy attacks, and in many ways can be considered superior hunters to males. However, they lack the power required to take down large prey.

Male lions are pretty much designed for fighting. Think about it, a male lion is only afforded the opportunity to mate if it can kill or chase off another male lion and steal his pride. They're built for fighting. They are front loaded so they have more power for swipes, giant powerful jaws and a thick mane of fur that protects their neck from bites. They're very aggressive.

Despite tigers being bigger, lions almost always win when matched up against them. Tigers do not want to fight with another large predator...since they're solitary animals a serious wound could leave them unable to hunt. And they would die.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

What if there was a male lion named Ditka vs. a grizzly bear?

 

[Summitdrinker]

bears are faster than people think they are, they can do the 200 yards dash pretty fast, faster than lion? maybe not. also a bear goes thru brush like a train


ya dingos are in Aussie, ya those doags in india are crazy and aggressive

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Multiple Siberian tigers will attack almost anything if their numbers are high enough. I don't care how big or thick the bear is, it can only protect itself in so many places at any given time. The bear might take out 2 with a swipe of its paw, but the other three will be sinking their fangs into the back of its neck. Don't forget, tigers can jump extremely high, easily matching the height of an average size bear.

In the wild, nothing is certain.

That's very unlikely, since unlike Lions, tigers are solitary animals and usually hunt alone.

Link

"Do tigers live and hunt in packs or small groups?

Unlike lions, tigers do not live in packs or groups. They are also solitary hunters. They will occasionally socialize and once in a while a family group might share a kill. However, apart from getting together to mate, tigers usually live alone and each tiger needs its own space or territory to hunt in."

So if you put a bear and some male tigers in a pit, I don't know if the tigers would gang up on the bear or if the tigers would ignore the bear and attack each other like they do in the wild.

They'd probably just mill around and try to stay away from eachother. I've read quite a bit about the matchups and tigers usually just plain don't want to fight. As a mentioned earlier, they want to avoid any unnecessary injury that would prevent them from hunting.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
What if there was a male lion named Ditka vs. a grizzly bear?

Hehehehe. Ahhhh that's no challenge Bob, you gotta make it fair and even the teams a bit... throw in a few more grizzlies and a kodiak.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
What if there was a male lion named Ditka vs. a grizzly bear?

Hehehehe. Ahhhh that's no challenge Bob, you gotta make it fair and even the teams a bit... throw in a few more grizzlies and a kodiak.

But it's a BEAR they're fighting. If they did this skit on SNL (assuming the original cast was around), Chris Farley would have an aneurism trying to figure this one out.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
What if there was a male lion named Ditka vs. a grizzly bear?

Hehehehe. Ahhhh that's no challenge Bob, you gotta make it fair and even the teams a bit... throw in a few more grizzlies and a kodiak.

But it's a BEAR they're fighting. If they did this skit on SNL (assuming the original cast was around), Chris Farley would have an aneurism trying to figure this one out.

Naaah he'd have his fifteenth heart attack.

:beer: Chris Farley :heart:

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Let's get back to reality here. A tiger isn't going to even attempt to ambush a bear when forests are full of deer. Tigers don't hunt bears for a reason. If they could, they would, since bears have plenty of meat and would never be able to outrun a tiger. Other than a few folk stories of tigers eating bears, it just doesn't happen. The same reason that lions don't hunt elephants- you're most likely to get yourself killed by choosing such a powerful animal for dinner.

Bears grow old and die like everything else, and it wouldn't surprise me if a very hungry tiger ate a dying or dead bear. But it surely isn't going to attempt to hunt a healthy live bear. The bear's there for the taking, and the tiger wisely chooses not to take it.

Carnivores rarely attack the healthiest and strongest prey -- it's not in their best interest to do it, but when they are desperate for food, they have to will attack preys that are not usually on their list.

Lions don't attack elephants -- its not in their job description , but lionesses attack their prey.

A Siberian tiger hunting and killing a Siberian brown bear does not equal a combat, since the tiger ambushes its prey, and yes, it's not fair and it's not analogical to lionesses hunting an elephant, that's a totally different league.

Now saying that tigers eating bears just wouldn't happen is like saying that Orcas would never tackle a Humpback Whale, since the Humpback's much larger, more powerful, etc, etc, or that Orcas would never consider salmon as dinner, because they're too small, and both just don't happen just because you've never heard it before

Nothing in nature is "written in stone".

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Promethply

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Let's get back to reality here. A tiger isn't going to even attempt to ambush a bear when forests are full of deer. Tigers don't hunt bears for a reason. If they could, they would, since bears have plenty of meat and would never be able to outrun a tiger. Other than a few folk stories of tigers eating bears, it just doesn't happen. The same reason that lions don't hunt elephants- you're most likely to get yourself killed by choosing such a powerful animal for dinner.

Bears grow old and die like everything else, and it wouldn't surprise me if a very hungry tiger ate a dying or dead bear. But it surely isn't going to attempt to hunt a healthy live bear. The bear's there for the taking, and the tiger wisely chooses not to take it.

Carnivores rarely attack the healthiest and strongest prey -- it's not in their best interest to do it, but when they are desperate for food, they have to will attack preys that are not usually on their list.

Lions don't attack elephants -- its not in their job description , but lionesses attack their prey.

A Siberian tiger hunting and killing a Siberian brown bear does not equal a combat, since the tiger ambushes its prey, and yes, it's not fair and it's not analogical to lionesses hunting an elephant, that's a totally different league.

Now saying that tigers eating bears just wouldn't happen is like saying that Orcas would never tackle a Humpback Whale, since the Humpback's much larger, more powerful, etc, etc, or that Orcas would never consider salmon as dinner, because they're too small, and both just don't happen just because you've never heard it before

Nothing in nature is "written in stone".

Speaking of which... what the hell preditors DOES an elephant have?

 

[DaTT]

I really enjoyed that.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Promethply

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Let's get back to reality here. A tiger isn't going to even attempt to ambush a bear when forests are full of deer. Tigers don't hunt bears for a reason. If they could, they would, since bears have plenty of meat and would never be able to outrun a tiger. Other than a few folk stories of tigers eating bears, it just doesn't happen. The same reason that lions don't hunt elephants- you're most likely to get yourself killed by choosing such a powerful animal for dinner.

Bears grow old and die like everything else, and it wouldn't surprise me if a very hungry tiger ate a dying or dead bear. But it surely isn't going to attempt to hunt a healthy live bear. The bear's there for the taking, and the tiger wisely chooses not to take it.

Carnivores rarely attack the healthiest and strongest prey -- it's not in their best interest to do it, but when they are desperate for food, they have to will attack preys that are not usually on their list.

Lions don't attack elephants -- its not in their job description , but lionesses attack their prey.

A Siberian tiger hunting and killing a Siberian brown bear does not equal a combat, since the tiger ambushes its prey, and yes, it's not fair and it's not analogical to lionesses hunting an elephant, that's a totally different league.

Now saying that tigers eating bears just wouldn't happen is like saying that Orcas would never tackle a Humpback Whale, since the Humpback's much larger, more powerful, etc, etc, or that Orcas would never consider salmon as dinner, because they're too small, and both just don't happen just because you've never heard it before

Nothing in nature is "written in stone".

Are you a naturalist, or a stoner? Either way, you've watched hours of Animal Planet.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Speaking of which... what the hell preditors DOES an elephant have?

It would be us humans.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Promethply

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Speaking of which... what the hell preditors DOES an elephant have?

It would be us humans.

Yeah, I think thats it. Elephants live a really long time. I don't think they have any predators to worry about outside of us. Maybe their calves do though.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Promethply

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Speaking of which... what the hell preditors DOES an elephant have?

It would be us humans.

Ah, good point.

Awww

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
Are you a naturalist, or a stoner? Either way, you've watched hours of Animal Planet.

More like an unnaturalist -- actually yeah, quite a bit into the natural sciences.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Ah, good point.

Awww

Hehehe poor little baby elephant

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: mobobuff


I'm not doubting that a lion or tiger would get its ass handed to it by a bear, but if you throw in 2 more lions the bear doesn't have a chance. The whole problem is that an individual lion won't attack the bear with intelligence, it'll just charge for the throat and get bashed in the face by a big ass paw. If it approached it with more common sense, or had a few buddies with him...

That's the problem with big cats though. Usually only females hunt, while the males sit around and defend the pack. It seems that only the females are capable of teamwork, but they can't fight very well. The males are built for fighting, yet they can't cooperate to take on a larger enemy.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: mobobuff


I'm not doubting that a lion or tiger would get its ass handed to it by a bear, but if you throw in 2 more lions the bear doesn't have a chance. The whole problem is that an individual lion won't attack the bear with intelligence, it'll just charge for the throat and get bashed in the face by a big ass paw. If it approached it with more common sense, or had a few buddies with him...

That's the problem with big cats though. Usually only females hunt, while the males sit around and defend the pack. It seems that only the females are capable of teamwork, but they can't fight very well. The males are built for fighting, yet they can't cooperate to take on a larger enemy.

Typical males... *shakes head* Well, at least the one in this video busted some hyena heads. Though I'd like to see the other video people were talking about.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Promethply

A Siberian tiger hunting and killing a Siberian brown bear does not equal a combat, since the tiger ambushes its prey, and yes, it's not fair and it's not analogical to lionesses hunting an elephant, that's a totally different league.

I've been reading up on Siberian tigers, and it sounds like they'll eat baby bears, weak bears, or hibernating bears. But they'll stay away from large male bears.

I've also read that the large male bears will often follow a siberian tiger around, let it hunt, then steal its prey. Sounds like the tiger won't even fight for it against a 1000lb+ male bear.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
That's the problem with lions though. Usually only females hunt, while the males sit around and defend the pride. It seems that only the females are capable of teamwork when hunting, while the males are designed to defend their territory and fight off their competitor, whether other lions, or other predators

fixed

 

[Doggiedog]

Have you ever felt the claws of a lion or bear???.....I have......... It's like touching a set of knives! Now put some serious muscle and speed behind those knives!

My friend's dad has a real tiger skin rug complete with claws and teeth. I couldn't believe how sharp and big those claws were. They were like razors. One swipe from that tiger and you would be a dead man.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I've been reading up on Siberian tigers, and it sounds like they'll eat baby bears, weak bears, or hibernating bears. But they'll stay away from large male bears.

I've also read that the large male bears will often follow a the much smaller female siberian tiger around, let it hunt, then steal its prey. Sounds like the much smaller female tiger is clever enough to yield to the much larger male bears.

fixed.



Predators would seldom attack a healthy, powerful prey out in the open, especially not cats.

That's true, when time's hard, they do scavenge off each other, but these brown bears would rarely contest the fully grown male siberian tigers.

 

[Summitdrinker]

how big are these brown bears you keep talking about? they must be kinda small

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
how big are these brown bears you keep talking about? they must be kinda small

The Siberian Brown Bear's about the size of a Canadian Grizzly Bear -- quite a bit smaller than the Alaskan Brown Bear.