Yeah, nothing's cast in stone in nature -- a pack of Indian wild dogs are known to corner and eventually kills a fully grown Indian Tiger and eats it.
fookiing hell....those female lions were like pussy's flippin male lion aint taking no sh!t them otherfvckers are going down!
I don't think wolves kill to many bears that go over 600 pounds, not saying that it doesn't happen but it be very rare. bears are very tuff, thick skinned and fat, strong and powerful and faster than you think
I live were there are some black bears and plenty of timber wolves, I see no evidence that the wolve packs mess with the bears.. last december I saw a big black bear that was about 75 feet from me. he was boss, he wasn't that afraid of me
I have gotten 30 feet away from wolves at night.
ps, I am talking wilderness animals, not city wolves and bears. heck there are plenty of black bears that go over 400 pounds, I have seen them or there tracks.
in the real world getting injured can mean death in the end. and that is what will happen to wolves that mess with a adult black bear let alone a grizzly. I have seen what a 300 pound black bear can do with a pack of hounds that were stupid enough to try standing there ground and fight, not pretty folks
I live were there are some black bears and plenty of timber wolves, I see no evidence that the wolve packs mess with the bears.. last december I saw a big black bear that was about 75 feet from me. he was boss, he wasn't that afraid of me
I have gotten 30 feet away from wolves at night.
ps, I am talking wilderness animals, not city wolves and bears. heck there are plenty of black bears that go over 400 pounds, I have seen them or there tracks.
in the real world getting injured can mean death in the end. and that is what will happen to wolves that mess with a adult black bear let alone a grizzly. I have seen what a 300 pound black bear can do with a pack of hounds that were stupid enough to try standing there ground and fight, not pretty folks
ya dingo dogs are crazy, ya they can kill a tiger when it's 20 vs one, also note often before the tiger is dead there will be 3 to 5 dead dogs
a male lion is tuffer than a tiger even thou the tiger can be bigger, but for the most part bears are king
a male lion is tuffer than a tiger even thou the tiger can be bigger, but for the most part bears are king
Once you hear "some suggest", you have to take everything with a grain of salt. I could suggest that tigers occasionally kill and eat space aliens. Now you can add that to the sentence.
"Some reports have even suggested that adult brown bears and space aliens are occasionally killed and eaten by these tigers".
See that? Without proof, a suggestion is meaningless.
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Multiple Siberian tigers will attack almost anything if their numbers are high enough. I don't care how big or thick the bear is, it can only protect itself in so many places at any given time. The bear might take out 2 with a swipe of its paw, but the other three will be sinking their fangs into the back of its neck. Don't forget, tigers can jump extremely high, easily matching the height of an average size bear.
In the wild, nothing is certain.
In the wild, nothing is certain.
That's very unlikely, since unlike Lions, tigers are solitary animals and usually hunt alone.
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"Do tigers live and hunt in packs or small groups?
Unlike lions, tigers do not live in packs or groups. They are also solitary hunters. They will occasionally socialize and once in a while a family group might share a kill. However, apart from getting together to mate, tigers usually live alone and each tiger needs its own space or territory to hunt in."
So if you put a bear and some male tigers in a pit, I don't know if the tigers would gang up on the bear or if the tigers would ignore the bear and attack each other like they do in the wild.
There's a clear division of labor in a lion's pride:
The lionesses hunts and catch their food,
while the lion protects their territory from other lions, as well as competitors from other species, especially hyenas.
The video shows this fact clearly.
The lionesses hunts and catch their food,
while the lion protects their territory from other lions, as well as competitors from other species, especially hyenas.
The video shows this fact clearly.
When it comes to tigers and bear,
tigers are pure carnivores, as are all members of the cat family,
while bears are omnivores, just like pigs and us -- a large part of their diets include grasses, fruits and berries.
Tigers are much more agile than bears, and just like in other cats (except for the cheetah), they have razor sharp claws.
The Siberian tigers live in the Taiga (Boreal Forest), with dense stands of conifers, not exactly the same setting as a pit.
tigers are pure carnivores, as are all members of the cat family,
while bears are omnivores, just like pigs and us -- a large part of their diets include grasses, fruits and berries.
Tigers are much more agile than bears, and just like in other cats (except for the cheetah), they have razor sharp claws.
The Siberian tigers live in the Taiga (Boreal Forest), with dense stands of conifers, not exactly the same setting as a pit.
Other things to keep in mind are:
Tigers look big, but are built fairly lightly to enable them to jump high, run fast, and be agile. The agility helps such a big animal catch fast prey.
Bears eat bark and roots, and have developed incredibly high bone density and strength, for tearing apart wood and and digging through dirt.
Tigers mostly hunt small animals or large animals that are defenseless and can't use their front legs as weapons. They instinctually know how to kill their common types of prey, and do it efficiently.
Bears are very robust and can use their front legs as weapons. They're also much smarter than deer and other hooved animals. Agility doesn't matter in this case since the bear isn't going to be running from the tiger. They have to meet up to fight. A bear wouldn't catch a tiger, and a tiger could easily catch a bear, but once they engage it's a wresting match.
Like has been said before, while it sounds like it would be an epic battle, the matches that were staged long ago turned out to be so disappointing that it was no use continuing to do so. Without fail, the bear was built so solidly that one hit usually broke the skeleton of the other animal, disabling it.
ROFLMAO! TRY AGAIN! Yeah, it's more like 15:1. A full-grown lion or lioness will not run from 3 hyenas... quite the opposite. Jesus, it's like you never got stoned and watched Animal Planet all day before!
Originally posted by: Ilmater
ROFLMAO! TRY AGAIN! Yeah, it's more like 15:1. A full-grown lion or lioness will not run from 3 hyenas... quite the opposite. Jesus, it's like you never got stoned and watched Animal Planet all day before!
The lioness will run from only a few. The lion will probably attack no matter how many, since hyenas are instinctively afraid of male lions and won't do much to attack.
And yet another important point to remember is that tigers, just like other cats, hunt by ambushing their prey.
No matter how solidly built the bear is, he's got a poor vision and hearing compared to the tiger, much more cumbersome, and then factor in the dense coniferous (pine) forest,
and the element of surprise of an ambush, the bear's deadmeat.
There's no way the tiger's gonna stand toe to toe with the brown bear, just like the lionesses don't directly challenge an African Cape Buffalo.
A big, powerful, heavily built man walking in a forest carrying a big heavy club being ambushed by a Samurai swordsman, or a Ninja wouldn't have much of a chance either.
Since lionnesses hunt in packs, it's rare that one would go up against many hyenas. What usually happens is that 2 or 3 lionesses kill something, then a few hyenas show up, they lionesses growl at them a bunch, and they hyenas back off. Eventually, enouhg hyenas show up, and the lionesses run off. At 3:1, the lionesses will continue to feed... at 6:1 or 7:1, they'll abandon feeding in lieu of growling at the hyenas (maybe getting in a nibble or two)... at 10:1 and worse, they'll run.Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Ilmater
ROFLMAO! TRY AGAIN! Yeah, it's more like 15:1. A full-grown lion or lioness will not run from 3 hyenas... quite the opposite. Jesus, it's like you never got stoned and watched Animal Planet all day before!
The lioness will run from only a few. The lion will probably attack no matter how many, since hyenas are instinctively afraid of male lions and won't do much to attack.
I was exaggerating, but it's definitely more than 3:1.
Let's get back to reality here. A tiger isn't going to even attempt to ambush a bear when forests are full of deer. Tigers don't hunt bears for a reason. If they could, they would, since bears have plenty of meat and would never be able to outrun a tiger. Other than a few folk stories of tigers eating bears, it just doesn't happen. The same reason that lions don't hunt elephants- you're most likely to get yourself killed by choosing such a powerful animal for dinner.
Bears grow old and die like everything else, and it wouldn't surprise me if a very hungry tiger ate a dying or dead bear. But it surely isn't going to attempt to hunt a healthy live bear. The bear's there for the taking, and the tiger wisely chooses not to take it.
I found something more scientific to answer this question:
"Almost all queries received on this topic request answers to the lion versus tiger question. Oddly, few people simply ask which is considered the Ultimate Carnivore.
This honour is held by an animal the tiger does not often have encounter; it is the grizzly bear.
The grizzly bear is a poor predator, taking down a caribou only when the opportunity arises. This, however, shifted his evolution in favour of the job in hand, namely as a digger of hard barren ground for roots, tubers and den building. The grizzly bear subsequently evolved enormous bone and muscle density; roughly ten times our own for a given size. They have developed into huge and enormously powerful animals.
Big cat biology is very different. They have evolved powerful elastic muscles over a low weight, low density bone structure to suit their purpose of chasing down prey.
The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the unfortunate bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor.
Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull.
The Californians never understood why. We now know that it was enormously strong bone density meeting a low density skull. At a range of 4 feet the blow crashed in before the lion could apply the wind pipe lock, which is lion and tiger learnt behaviour for taking down prey animals.
The ferocity of this animal easily matches that of an unsettled African lion."
So upon looking at the situation, it sounds like there's no battle that takes place. The lion or tiger will ambush, charge, whatever it wants, but their primary method for killing prey is always biting the neck. Bears have such short, thick, muscular necks that you can't really incapacitate a grizzly that way. While both animals look impressive, the underlying bone density ensures that the cat's blow is absorbed by an incredibly solid bone structure of the bear, while the bear's blow effortlessly breaks the bones of the lightly-boned cat.
"Almost all queries received on this topic request answers to the lion versus tiger question. Oddly, few people simply ask which is considered the Ultimate Carnivore.
This honour is held by an animal the tiger does not often have encounter; it is the grizzly bear.
The grizzly bear is a poor predator, taking down a caribou only when the opportunity arises. This, however, shifted his evolution in favour of the job in hand, namely as a digger of hard barren ground for roots, tubers and den building. The grizzly bear subsequently evolved enormous bone and muscle density; roughly ten times our own for a given size. They have developed into huge and enormously powerful animals.
Big cat biology is very different. They have evolved powerful elastic muscles over a low weight, low density bone structure to suit their purpose of chasing down prey.
The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the unfortunate bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor.
Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull.
The Californians never understood why. We now know that it was enormously strong bone density meeting a low density skull. At a range of 4 feet the blow crashed in before the lion could apply the wind pipe lock, which is lion and tiger learnt behaviour for taking down prey animals.
The ferocity of this animal easily matches that of an unsettled African lion."
So upon looking at the situation, it sounds like there's no battle that takes place. The lion or tiger will ambush, charge, whatever it wants, but their primary method for killing prey is always biting the neck. Bears have such short, thick, muscular necks that you can't really incapacitate a grizzly that way. While both animals look impressive, the underlying bone density ensures that the cat's blow is absorbed by an incredibly solid bone structure of the bear, while the bear's blow effortlessly breaks the bones of the lightly-boned cat.
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