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Link to the video of the american being beheaded
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Think about what you're saying for a second. They killed Berg as retaliation for what a few of ours did. Now you want to take over the ME by any means possible as retaliation for what they did. It can't be might makes right.
I'm reminded of the threads on 9/11. Very emotional, but things were said way over the top.
Zebo
Elite Member
I was an 18 month wonder before I was almost killed and spent another 3 months in the hospital at NAS in pensacola. Not six years but if they'd take me back after physical and I believed in the a just cause I would. Like actual defense of our country. But since we agree this war is a BAD THING then why the hell continue with a bad thing? I just don't get that logic following peril down the hole and hope you come out alive. Seems asine to me since it's elective punsihment no less. Anyway your prolly highly qualified and since you seems to think it's so easy for "gloves to come off" when they can't even find the enemy and you feel they hav'nt come off already when they do I suggest re-upping to make a diff.
Steeplerot
Lifer
The people responsible in this video should be tried under guidelines set up by the UN. This was a horrible act.
(just as the US soldiers and our current administration responsible for crimes against humanity should be tried as war criminals for escalating this.)
I don't care about who we should get revenge on.
it is OUR fault civilian AND military for letting the administration lead us into this.
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
(just as the US soldiers and our current administration responsible for crimes against humanity should be tried as war criminals for escalating this.)
I don't care about who we should get revenge on.
it is OUR fault civilian AND military for letting the administration lead us into this.
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
ThePresence
Elite Member
You are probably being investigated by the secret service. 🙂
AcidicFury
Golden Member
Uhh, actually, I'm going to take a look at the liberal and conservative viewpoints of things. First of all, conservatives want to change culture in Iraq. Liberals say to let people be. No one can change a culture that has existed for thousands of years. No one. It's impossible because people are set in their ways. For example, lets look at the way Arabs treat women. For thousands of years, women have been oppressed in the Middle East because of cultural values. How can the USA expect to change that in a few short years? The answer: They can't.
For all those people that have said in this thread that this is a reason why we should have invaded the Middle East: We would not have these problems if we weren't there. They cannot behead us in our own country. Let them be! They are people as well, not animals as the media has portrayed them to be! If they want to decapitate people, then that is their problem, not ours.
Another reason why this explicitly occurred is because of pride. Americans have too much of it. They took it away from the Iraqis- first in defeating them in war, and then in abusing their prisoners. Pride and nationalism are the reasons why everything happened in the first place. If we let them have their pride, then they will do less of this in the future.
In Islam, the Qu'ran says not to kill people. Remember, these people aren't regualr Muslims. These are radicals, just like the KKK are radical Christians. Every Muslim I've ever met has been extremely nice, but there are always exceptions to the rule.
Sure, this was a horrible thing that was done. But instead of inflaming the people anymore, let us stop this useless fighting and worry about things that need to be happening in the US. This war is none of our business. Saddam Hussein had neither WMD or connections to 9/11. We ousted him. Now we need to get out.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
I want justice. I oppose slaughter. I am not going to put a sword in the hand of others so they can murder babies in their cribs. Settle down, think about who did this and why this situation happened and advocate some constructive course of action. You do not want the blood of children on your hands. I have witnessed that horror though it was no fault of my own, and I know the sound of dying children. You do not want to go there.
Tripleshot
Elite Member
This isn't knee jerk or emotional. It is a fact these people do not want us there. They want their barbaric life style long enough to see an end to Christianity and Judeism. They are controling world economy by controling the flow of oil. They have abosolutely the poorist human rights record of any ethnic, religious group in the history of civilization. How quickly you forget about the Taliban. How quickly you forget about bombing after bombing of innocent civilians, and then standing before a camara with hooded face and praising Allah as if their actions are devine. These are the people that put bombs around the bellies of children, deliver them to a bus or resteraunt full of inncoent people and then detonate them from a safe distance. I don't give 2 sh!ts about these people. If this is Muslum, Fvck em. If Muslums are not outraged about this, then they are part of the problem, not the solution. Muslums better stand up for something and damn soon. If not, they are in the crossfire. I recognize these are criminals and terrorists doing these acts. But they represent Muslums, and no Muslum cleric or leader has denounced these pricks yet. Until there is overt action by legal and legitimate representives of the Muslum faith denouncing and giving up these bastyards, then it stands, they are my enemy. Its their call. It's for them to decide what is right. And they better do it quickly, before we show our might.
As horrible as this is, these calls for nuclear war, all out war, etc. are just not the answer. Maybe the answer to your heart, but not your brain. No doubt, these men and their ilk need to be exterminated like the vermin they've become. Professionally, precisely, and without delay. But we can't become what he hate, no matter how tempting.
Personally, I'd like al-jazeera to run this on loop 24/7, and show the islamic/arab world how perverted and sick the fringe of their religion has become to cowardly murder innocents and tape it, simply for having the wrong color of flesh, being the wrong religion, and being born in the wrong country.
And many libs have mocked me when I say that islamic fundamentalism is the modern incarnation of the Nazi party. Only difference being, OBL has more native support than Hitler did.
Personally, I'd like al-jazeera to run this on loop 24/7, and show the islamic/arab world how perverted and sick the fringe of their religion has become to cowardly murder innocents and tape it, simply for having the wrong color of flesh, being the wrong religion, and being born in the wrong country.
And many libs have mocked me when I say that islamic fundamentalism is the modern incarnation of the Nazi party. Only difference being, OBL has more native support than Hitler did.
IGBT
Lifer
Islam-o-fascist supporters in and out of the American press are dancing in the streets over this..Ted Kennedy and the rest of the liberal slime now get to slither around in their media supported lime light and pretend to be pious while they continue on with their public handwringing..
ThePresence
Elite Member
The problem isn't that no Muslim leaders speak up. The problem is that 99% of the ones that do are US citizens enjoying the freedoms that our country provides. I don't think I have ever heard a recognized Muslim leader from THAT REGION condemn the actions of the fundamentalists. Who's to say that they are fundamentalists? Maybe they are the norm? You can't know until you hear other voices from the area.
And Tripleshot, aren't you sick of the "If they do that we will show our might" kind of stuff? How many times have we said that already? Maybe THIS IS our might. Scary.
ThePresence
Elite Member
Why are you so sure that the average Palestinian condemns suicide bombings? Which poll are you basing that on?
Hossenfeffer
Diamond Member
Suppose I'd count myself among the Liberals, if anything. While I roll my eyes at the initial "reasons" to head to Iraq, I'm of the opinion that the best way out of things is to indeed stay the course. I don't think we should be there, but now that we are, we've got to do what it takes.
Cogman
Lifer
I think they should catch and punish those responsible. This is bad, I dont argue with that. But I dont believe that we need to go and genocide an entire set of people just because they are fighting in a very discusting and disturbing way. No that is as bad as hittler killing the disabled because they are a burden on society. It is bad over there, but I dont think it is as bad as the media is making it out to be. all and all 1000 deaths after a year is really not that much.
About the solders that commited those crimes, that is precicly what they did commit a crime, and they will be punished accordingly. Should they have done it, No. But I think that it was a result of hatred towards those they where fighting agenst, it happens in war, you hate those you fight agenst.
What should we do, I dont really know. Pulling out of Iraq would be a mistake all around. Perment occupation would also be a mistake. I think the only thing we can do is try to establish leaders and provide our military as a Police squad while training their people to take over the jobs are military is preforming, they slowly pull out when stability is ensured. It hurts more to rip ducttape off then to gently pull it off.
About the solders that commited those crimes, that is precicly what they did commit a crime, and they will be punished accordingly. Should they have done it, No. But I think that it was a result of hatred towards those they where fighting agenst, it happens in war, you hate those you fight agenst.
What should we do, I dont really know. Pulling out of Iraq would be a mistake all around. Perment occupation would also be a mistake. I think the only thing we can do is try to establish leaders and provide our military as a Police squad while training their people to take over the jobs are military is preforming, they slowly pull out when stability is ensured. It hurts more to rip ducttape off then to gently pull it off.
EXman
Lifer
OK I guess there are no still no Terrorists though right Liberals. How much more proof do you need?
that is right out of Faces of Death disgusting
it is these as$holes that we are trying to get information about. Why are we using kid gloves these pricks don't understand anything other than violence.
Until they show show us doing the same to them terrorist MFs that even deserve it I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANYMORE STUPID Prison photos!
Every liberal needs to watch that crap and let it burn in. Don't give me some half assed retort back just watch it and stfu
that is right out of Faces of Death disgusting
it is these as$holes that we are trying to get information about. Why are we using kid gloves these pricks don't understand anything other than violence.
Until they show show us doing the same to them terrorist MFs that even deserve it I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANYMORE STUPID Prison photos!
Every liberal needs to watch that crap and let it burn in. Don't give me some half assed retort back just watch it and stfu
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