Limbaugh : I hope Obama fails!

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: spidey07
I hope what he wants to do and has been saying he is going to do fails as well. Hold on to your wallets.

Rescue the country?

Here's a couple of facts kids:

1. We're stuck with Obama for the next 4 years, whether you voted for him or not.

2. We're in a terrible fucking mess.

So acknowledging 1 + 2 are irrefutable truths, we have no choice but to HOPE that he does succeed, because whether you agree with his methods or not, there is no alternative.

Frankly, I haven't seen dick in terms of ideas from the R side of the spectrum other than setting corp tax rates to zero and invading Iran.

So which is it? Success for Obama and by extension all of us or.....it's banana republic time with 15% unemployment and no money for our military that you guys beat off about every day.

Been there, done that, ask Carter.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: spidey07
I hope what he wants to do and has been saying he is going to do fails as well. Hold on to your wallets.

Rescue the country?

Here's a couple of facts kids:

1. We're stuck with Obama for the next 4 years, whether you voted for him or not.

2. We're in a terrible fucking mess.

So acknowledging 1 + 2 are irrefutable truths, we have no choice but to HOPE that he does succeed, because whether you agree with his methods or not, there is no alternative.

Frankly, I haven't seen dick in terms of ideas from the R side of the spectrum other than setting corp tax rates to zero and invading Iran.

So which is it? Success for Obama and by extension all of us or.....it's banana republic time with 15% unemployment and no money for our military that you guys beat off about every day.

Been there, done that, ask Carter.

Do you find it at all ironic that your signature says people are going to start saying "but but but BUSH!", while you say "but but but CARTER!"?

I'm guessing you don't, because I don't think you're smart enough to notice.

 

[Harvey]

Poor Rush is such an epic failure as a human being, he must be lonely and looking for company. At least, he now has George W. Bush to keep him company.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I hope what he wants to do and has been saying he is going to do fails as well. Hold on to your wallets.

You don't have any money so why are you worried?

 

[Lemon law]

Ye gads, I never thought I would be defending Limbaugh, but he is making a somewhat logical argument for a change.

Because Limbaugh is saying, in so many words, is I hope Obama fails so the American people will realize "liberalism" has failed. Because Obama is a "Liberal." And thus implying that when liberalism does fail, the temporary pain we will all be subject to will be worth it in the end as conservatism rises up to take the place of failed liberal ideas and the subsequent success of conservative ideas will be worth it in the end.

A logical argument even if we should questions the assumptions that Liberalism must fail and conservatism must succeed.

And a particularly ironic bit of assumption for Limbaugh to use, because one of the main reasons that Obama was elected and liberalism is getting another chance, is simply that the GWB and Rush Limbaugh definition of conservatism has laid a giant egg for the past eight years, and not only has its been due to failed conservative assumptions, the failure of those same assumptions have been a monumental failure on a grand scale. And the other quibble is that Obama is more of a centrist than a Liberal, but when Limbaugh is on a roll, only his evaluation matters to Rush.

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: spidey07
The only mess is an economic downturn brought about by a democratic congress. Obama's ideas will further kill it and that's why I don't want his ideas to succeed. Every economists knows you don't raise taxes during times like this but yet that's what that bastard has been saying he is going to do.

You sure about that?

https://subscribe.wsj.com/micr...asolineTaxIsTooLow.doc
http://www.newyorker.com/onlin..._onlineonly_surowiecki
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com...ou-club-manifesto.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...g/detail/-/0393058506/

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: spidey07
I hope what he wants to do and has been saying he is going to do fails as well. Hold on to your wallets.

Rescue the country?

Here's a couple of facts kids:

1. We're stuck with Obama for the next 4 years, whether you voted for him or not.

2. We're in a terrible fucking mess.

So acknowledging 1 + 2 are irrefutable truths, we have no choice but to HOPE that he does succeed, because whether you agree with his methods or not, there is no alternative.

Frankly, I haven't seen dick in terms of ideas from the R side of the spectrum other than setting corp tax rates to zero and invading Iran.

So which is it? Success for Obama and by extension all of us or.....it's banana republic time with 15% unemployment and no money for our military that you guys beat off about every day.

Been there, done that, ask Carter.

Do you find it at all ironic that your signature says people are going to start saying "but but but BUSH!", while you say "but but but CARTER!"?

I'm guessing you don't, because I don't think you're smart enough to notice.

I'm not blaming him for anything that happened after 1981. Merely pointing out a fact of his Presidency.

No wonder Slick, W, HW, and Obama wanted to stay away from him at the Presidential bash.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
-snip-
but to wish general failure on the President can only equal hoping failure for us as a nation.

Not that I agree that Rush was doing that (as stated in my previous post in this thread), but many here have wished general failure for GWB and I doubt they think it also meant failure for the nation too.

I think in both cases (theirs and Rush's) they think that Presidential failure will actually be better for the nation. That 'failure' being not getting their way with national policies efforts some think are bad for the nation.

Fern

 

[idiotekniQues]

his maid must have lowered his daily oxycontin dosage on him

 

[QuantumPion]

I normally like conservative talk radio but lately (since the middle of last year) they have all been getting on my nerves.

Here is the degree to how I agree with Limbaugh's statement: If Obama does turn out to be as socialist and liberal as we fear, then I hope he fails at implementing his socialist agenda (or that the agenda fails so spectacularly that there can be no doubt).

If Obama really turns out to be moderate, non-corrupt and a good president, then fine. Although at this point I am still highly skeptical, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until he at least starts implementing policies.

 

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Rush, coming from a conservative voice here in Texas :

Go OD and die, kthx. America needs patriots, not venomous, brainless assholes like you.

I suppose you consider yourself an American Patriot, not venomous, and brainless with such a statement?

"First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye." - Mathew 7:5

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Anybody that takes Limbaugh seriously should be punished by having him sit on their face.

win

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Fern
Mmm. I read it, I don't see it as a "wish for general failure".

Looks like he doesn't want Obama's stated policy objectives put in place. He even specifies those policies:

I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible

I don't see it as any different than hoping a specific bills fails to pass.

Fern

Shhh... It's Rush. It doesn't matter what he actually said...the libs just KNOW what he really meant...

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
I normally like conservative talk radio but lately (since the middle of last year) they have all been getting on my nerves.

Here is the degree to how I agree with Limbaugh's statement: If Obama does turn out to be as socialist and liberal as we fear, then I hope he fails at implementing his socialist agenda (or that the agenda fails so spectacularly that there can be no doubt).

If Obama really turns out to be moderate, non-corrupt and a good president, then fine. Although at this point I am still highly skeptical, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until he at least starts implementing policies.

:thumbsup:

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: spidey07
The only mess is an economic downturn brought about by a democratic congress. Obama's ideas will further kill it and that's why I don't want his ideas to succeed. Every economists knows you don't raise taxes during times like this but yet that's what that bastard has been saying he is going to do.

:laugh:

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Arkaign
-snip-
but to wish general failure on the President can only equal hoping failure for us as a nation.

Not that I agree that Rush was doing that (as stated in my previous post in this thread), but many here have wished general failure for GWB and I doubt they think it also meant failure for the nation too.

I think in both cases (theirs and Rush's) they think that Presidential failure will actually be better for the nation. That 'failure' being not getting their way with national policies efforts some think are bad for the nation.

Fern

True, it does definitely have many interpretations.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Fern
Mmm. I read it, I don't see it as a "wish for general failure".

Looks like he doesn't want Obama's stated policy objectives put in place. He even specifies those policies:

I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible

I don't see it as any different than hoping a specific bills fails to pass.

Fern

You beat me to it. OP is VERY misleading and out of context.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Obama has the numbers to do whatever he wants for the next 4 years.

That's exactly what he needs to start fixing the royal fuckups of the last 8 years.

He has my support, the support of millions of Americans, and hefty majorities in both houses of Congress...can I get an Amen?

A word for you: filibuster

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Fern
Mmm. I read it, I don't see it as a "wish for general failure".

Looks like he doesn't want Obama's stated policy objectives put in place. He even specifies those policies:

I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible

I don't see it as any different than hoping a specific bills fails to pass.

Fern

You beat me to it. OP is VERY misleading and out of context.

I don't think so. It's a flat, I hope Obama fails. He doesn't talk about middle ground, or how Obama's plans with the bailout and tax relief are similar to some Bush administrative proposals. You should know by now that Rush speaks in great generalities, but it's ALWAYS :

Republicans good
Democrats bad

There is never any deeper look into the very real pros and cons of the varying perspectives.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Arkaign
People who think like this (and similarly, those who didn't want to give Bush a chance before he got the chance to prove his consistent idiocy) should forever lose credibility in terms of any kind of patriotic claims whatsoever towards this country.

http://patriotroom.com/article...-you-want-him-to-fail-

I can understand hoping that moderation or middle ground can be reached with contentious issues that are important to conservatives or others who disagree with his stated goals, but to wish general failure on the President can only equal hoping failure for us as a nation.

Rush, coming from a conservative voice here in Texas :

Go OD and die, kthx. America needs patriots, not venomous, brainless assholes like you.

I'm tired of the generalizations.

When I'm asked, "Do you want Obama to succeed?" my first response is not, "Yes, absolutely." It's "succeed at what?"

Do I want him to succeed at nuking the moon? No.

Do I want him to succeed at being intelligent? Why yes.

It's such a stupidly loaded question.

I agree, as a general question it's not something that can or should be summed up in too short of an answer.

Personally, I hope he succeeds as a President, if the well-being, safety, and financial status of the country at large are the yardsticks of success/failure. Policy-wise, there may be significant disagreements I have with his political perspectives, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt or ever praise if the fundamentals of our country prove to be strong under his administration.

Saying that you hope for the success of the President and by extension, the country, is NOT an explicit blank check to all of his policies and initiatives. Indeed, you can hold strong reservations and still hope for the best.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I generally consider him smart. However, I only hope for his success insofar as he meets my expectations for doing the right thing.

For instance, I don't hope he succeeds at the Freedom of Choice act. I sincerely hope that he changes his mind on that. Otherwise, I sincerely hope he fails at it.

In a general sense, I hope he improves America in any and every aspect, certainly. In that regard I do hope he succeeds.

But politically, there are things that, barring a change of heart or mind, I outrightly hope he fails at. Such as pro-abortion movements, pro-gay marriage movements, or other things.

I really think it's a foolish question to ask. I want him to succeed at doing what I want him to do, and to fail at what I don't. No one else is any different, or any less hard-headed. Any notion to the contrary is sheerly delusional.

I don't see that Limbaugh did anything surprising. He expressed that, when asked the question of "Do I want Obama to succeed?" he assumes that the implied question is, "Do I want Obama to succeed at his stated agenda?" The answer is, "Well, I largely don't agree with the soundness of and reasons for his agenda, so obviously I don't hope he succeeds at that." I don't see how that's any different than how we discern our own opinions regarding a president.

One of his top agenda items is to get the country out of the financial crisis. Since you and fat ass want that to fail so be it.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Fern
Mmm. I read it, I don't see it as a "wish for general failure".

Looks like he doesn't want Obama's stated policy objectives put in place. He even specifies those policies:

I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible

I don't see it as any different than hoping a specific bills fails to pass.

Fern

You beat me to it. OP is VERY misleading and out of context.

I don't think so. It's a flat, I hope Obama fails. He doesn't talk about middle ground, or how Obama's plans with the bailout and tax relief are similar to some Bush administrative proposals. You should know by now that Rush speaks in great generalities, but it's ALWAYS :

Republicans good
Democrats bad

There is never any deeper look into the very real pros and cons of the varying perspectives.

I dont think so. If read in context, and AS HE EXPLAINS IT. Here, I'll quote it: "the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work."

And in THAT context, I hope he fails too.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Arkaign
People who think like this (and similarly, those who didn't want to give Bush a chance before he got the chance to prove his consistent idiocy) should forever lose credibility in terms of any kind of patriotic claims whatsoever towards this country.

http://patriotroom.com/article...-you-want-him-to-fail-

I can understand hoping that moderation or middle ground can be reached with contentious issues that are important to conservatives or others who disagree with his stated goals, but to wish general failure on the President can only equal hoping failure for us as a nation.

Rush, coming from a conservative voice here in Texas :

Go OD and die, kthx. America needs patriots, not venomous, brainless assholes like you.

I'm tired of the generalizations.

When I'm asked, "Do you want Obama to succeed?" my first response is not, "Yes, absolutely." It's "succeed at what?"

Do I want him to succeed at nuking the moon? No.

Do I want him to succeed at being intelligent? Why yes.

It's such a stupidly loaded question.

I agree, as a general question it's not something that can or should be summed up in too short of an answer.

Personally, I hope he succeeds as a President, if the well-being, safety, and financial status of the country at large are the yardsticks of success/failure. Policy-wise, there may be significant disagreements I have with his political perspectives, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt or ever praise if the fundamentals of our country prove to be strong under his administration.

Saying that you hope for the success of the President and by extension, the country, is NOT an explicit blank check to all of his policies and initiatives. Indeed, you can hold strong reservations and still hope for the best.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I generally consider him smart. However, I only hope for his success insofar as he meets my expectations for doing the right thing.

For instance, I don't hope he succeeds at the Freedom of Choice act. I sincerely hope that he changes his mind on that. Otherwise, I sincerely hope he fails at it.

In a general sense, I hope he improves America in any and every aspect, certainly. In that regard I do hope he succeeds.

But politically, there are things that, barring a change of heart or mind, I outrightly hope he fails at. Such as pro-abortion movements, pro-gay marriage movements, or other things.

I really think it's a foolish question to ask. I want him to succeed at doing what I want him to do, and to fail at what I don't. No one else is any different, or any less hard-headed. Any notion to the contrary is sheerly delusional.

I don't see that Limbaugh did anything surprising. He expressed that, when asked the question of "Do I want Obama to succeed?" he assumes that the implied question is, "Do I want Obama to succeed at his stated agenda?" The answer is, "Well, I largely don't agree with the soundness of and reasons for his agenda, so obviously I don't hope he succeeds at that." I don't see how that's any different than how we discern our own opinions regarding a president.

One of his top agenda items is to get the country out of the financial crisis. Since you and fat ass want that to fail so be it.

You're barking up the wrong tree. Atreus doesn't specifically have a stated problem with the Obama financial rescue plans, just with some peripheral policy stances. Some back and forth on rational, friendly terms, as opposed to blind partisan hackery of the type of Rush and Michael Moore, should be the optimal way of moving forward.

 

[zinfamous]

I seem to remember Rush mentioning that his own schtick is intended for entertainment purposes only, and was quite surprised himself when he developed a huge following from people that actually believed him. He apparently became the unwilling voice of this fringe fundamentalist movement.

Wish I had the audio of that somewhere...

 

[fskimospy]

Guys, what Limbaugh is doing here is simply wildly misstating Obama's positions in order to make them easier to oppose. Classic straw man, pretty much what the moron has built his entire business on. He is not rooting for the destruction of the US though.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Obama has the numbers to do whatever he wants for the next 4 years.

That's exactly what he needs to start fixing the royal fuckups of the last 8 years.

He has my support, the support of millions of Americans, and hefty majorities in both houses of Congress...can I get an Amen?

A word for you: filibuster

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