I just love seeing you all squirm, whine, and complain. Sadly its all for naught and on deaf ears. Page got turned today bud, new chapters are about to be written and you may find yourself and others like you totally written out of the book all together.
KK
Lifer
- Jan 2, 2001
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Wow, there are some real stupid asses here. It is one thing to hope someone fails when his policies will hurt the country, and it is another thing to hope the country fails. Having Obama policies fail doesn't mean that the country will fail. But I guess if you are against Obama, you are against the US.
Baaaa, baaa, anybody got some koolaid I can drink?
Baaaa, baaa, anybody got some koolaid I can drink?
My summary of this non-issue:
Ons should not hope that Obama or any president simply fails, because there should be some area of commonality for the 'good of the nation'.
To say otherwise is to say that either the speaker or Obama wants nothing but the destruction of the nation, which hardly seems appropriate or correct.
On the other hand, there are areas pretty much everyone has in which they disagree with Obama. It's perfectly ok to hope he fails in specific policies you think are wrong. Rush Limbaugh needs to keep his audience that is based on hating liberals, and so he's going to use straw men and hyperbole in dishonest commentary to flame the fire.
I'll even condone ambivalence about a president's success insofar as it helps him get bad policies implementsd. If Bush were to do great at one thing that gave him the popularity to get something else (say, destroying Social Security) that was a much larger harm, I can see not wanting him to get that credit, to remain politically weak. But it's better to want him to get the good done and oppose the specific bad policies, if possible.
Rush is not that interested in talking about the areas of agreement usually - why would anyone want to hear Rush on those areas?
Anyone who thinks Rush is above hypocrisy in demanding loyal support for a Republican president and undermining a Democratic president, is pretty blind IMO. This is a guy in a group who were more than happy to imply the democratic president is a murderer, to cripple his ability to function legitimately, to abuse the impeachment process.
It's fine to condemn Rush for his wrongful commentary, but better to suggest not listening to his waste of a program IMO.
Instead, how about an actually excellent commentator, like:
Gleen Greenwald
or the best collection of commentators on the web IMO:
Common Dreams
Ons should not hope that Obama or any president simply fails, because there should be some area of commonality for the 'good of the nation'.
To say otherwise is to say that either the speaker or Obama wants nothing but the destruction of the nation, which hardly seems appropriate or correct.
On the other hand, there are areas pretty much everyone has in which they disagree with Obama. It's perfectly ok to hope he fails in specific policies you think are wrong. Rush Limbaugh needs to keep his audience that is based on hating liberals, and so he's going to use straw men and hyperbole in dishonest commentary to flame the fire.
I'll even condone ambivalence about a president's success insofar as it helps him get bad policies implementsd. If Bush were to do great at one thing that gave him the popularity to get something else (say, destroying Social Security) that was a much larger harm, I can see not wanting him to get that credit, to remain politically weak. But it's better to want him to get the good done and oppose the specific bad policies, if possible.
Rush is not that interested in talking about the areas of agreement usually - why would anyone want to hear Rush on those areas?
Anyone who thinks Rush is above hypocrisy in demanding loyal support for a Republican president and undermining a Democratic president, is pretty blind IMO. This is a guy in a group who were more than happy to imply the democratic president is a murderer, to cripple his ability to function legitimately, to abuse the impeachment process.
It's fine to condemn Rush for his wrongful commentary, but better to suggest not listening to his waste of a program IMO.
Instead, how about an actually excellent commentator, like:
Gleen Greenwald
or the best collection of commentators on the web IMO:
Common Dreams
Whistling past the graveyard...
People like Limbaugh will learn nothing from loseing. Because learning is a sign of weakness and diverts from ideological purity. Also it might make you into a Godless intellectual elitist. Next you'll be thinking evolution actually happened and gays might actually be real people. Nothing Jesus hates more then people who ask questions. Todays Republicanism is a tribal identity now. By definition, those who are left in this tribe do not learn. That is the reason why they continue to remain "the base". A Permanent Underclass. Which, in todays GOP playbook, becomes their voting base. Because they know that an un-empowered people demand big 'L' leadership, which is what myth makers like Limbaugh sell.
People like Limbaugh will learn nothing from loseing. Because learning is a sign of weakness and diverts from ideological purity. Also it might make you into a Godless intellectual elitist. Next you'll be thinking evolution actually happened and gays might actually be real people. Nothing Jesus hates more then people who ask questions. Todays Republicanism is a tribal identity now. By definition, those who are left in this tribe do not learn. That is the reason why they continue to remain "the base". A Permanent Underclass. Which, in todays GOP playbook, becomes their voting base. Because they know that an un-empowered people demand big 'L' leadership, which is what myth makers like Limbaugh sell.
glenn1
Lifer
- Sep 6, 2000
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I hope he succeeds in pretty much all his positions. Pro-choice makes it easier for blue state liberals to have abortions, thus thinning their ranks; increased taxes on the "rich" means that blue staters with their high cost of living will have less money to spend; passing card check for unions will accelerate job losses in blue states towards right-to-work states elsewhere, etc etc.
Yes, the same way that high tax rates have made blue states the poorest populations, and unions have moved so many middle class workers into the lower class.
Budmantom
Lifer
- Aug 17, 2002
- 13,103
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We are still a great state, despite the harm from Repubicans - our democratic governor Gray Davis had the state on track for a balanced budget until the Republican-linked firm Enron targetted the California economy, and Republican governor Arnold reversed Davis' policies. To thid day, Republicans are radical obstructionists keeping us from having a budget and otherwise blocking the good legislation democrats pass (we'd have gay marriage now if not for the Republican veto).
How have the unions affected the auto industry since they began stronger in the 30's? Well, GM has been the world leader in auto sales the last 77 years.
But now, the Republicans have greatly weakened the unions at the same time the average American has seen their share of the nation's growth get shifted to the very wealthy.
- Oct 27, 2006
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A little socialism, a little capitalism, some liberal, some conservative, not going to extremes on any of them makes this country work.
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