Levin: Memos don't show what Cheney says they do

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

[ Insert favorite Harvey "macro" proving Bushwhacko lies here. ]

In other words, all you have is the same senseless drivel. Thanks for confirming. :thumbsup:

I defy you to disprove anything I've posted in those "macros." Almost everyone else on P&N knows that they contain true and accurate information about the Bushwhackos crimes and lies, including names, dates, quotes and links to credible sources to confirm them. I can repost a good three foot long version if you're too mouse challenged to find one.

Please post any evidence that "Cheney has never told the truth about anything" - you know, the part of the quote you snipped out in your reply. Put up or shut up.

If that's all you've ever read in any of my posts, you're still a reading challenged ethical turd.

If you felt confident in your points, you could make them without having to tell people to "kiss your ass" and without calling them "turds." Unfortunately, that's all that you can come up with. I think you may be the "challenged" one.

Go ahead and call me some more names - it just further proves my point.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

[ Insert favorite Harvey "macro" proving Bushwhacko lies here. ]

In other words, all you have is the same senseless drivel. Thanks for confirming. :thumbsup:

I defy you to disprove anything I've posted in those "macros." Almost everyone else on P&N knows that they contain true and accurate information about the Bushwhackos crimes and lies, including names, dates, quotes and links to credible sources to confirm them. I can repost a good three foot long version if you're too mouse challenged to find one.

Please post any evidence that "Cheney has never told the truth about anything" - you know, the part of the quote you snipped out in your reply. Put up or shut up.

Dickewad Cheney LIES -- Some early examples that, as of 6/1/2009, have squandered the lives of 4,306 American troops and left tens of thousands more Americans wounded, scarred and disabled for life:

• There was no yellow cake uranium in Niger.
  
• There were no aluminum tubes capable of being used in centrifuges process nuclear material.
  
• There were no facilities for making nerve gas or biological weapons.
  
• There were no long range rockets.
  
• There were no WMD's.
  
• Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
  Dick Cheney, 1/30/03
  
• Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
  Dick Cheney, 1/30/03
  
• Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
  Dick Cheney, 1/31/03
  
• "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
  Dick Cheney, 3/16/2003 on Meet the Press
  
  "We believe [Hussein] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
  Dick Cheney, 3/16/2003 on Meet the Press
  
• "We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ?93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ?93. And we?ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven."
  Dick Cheney, 9/14/2003 on Meet the Press

Doesn't that make you proud of your thankfully EX-Vice Traitor In Chief? :roll:

But of course, you want more so we can go back just a couple of weeks where he was still telling the same fucking lies to the American Enterprise Institute, a right wingnut stink tank who wer all too willing to suck up his Kool Aid.

Cheney's speech contained omissions, misstatements

By JONATHAN S. LANDAY AND WARREN P. STROBEL
McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON -- Former Vice President Dick Cheney's defense Thursday of the Bush administration's policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements.

In his address to the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative policy organization in Washington, Cheney said that the techniques the Bush administration approved, including waterboarding - simulated drowning that's considered a form of torture - forced nakedness and sleep deprivation, were "legal" and produced information that "prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people."

He quoted the Director of National Intelligence, Adm. Dennis Blair, as saying that the information gave U.S. officials a "deeper understanding of the al-Qaida organization that was attacking this country."

In a statement April 21, however, Blair said the information "was valuable in some instances" but that "there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means. The bottom line is that these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security."

A top-secret 2004 CIA inspector general's investigation found no conclusive proof that information gained from aggressive interrogations helped thwart any "specific imminent attacks," according to one of four top-secret Bush-era memos that the Justice Department released last month.

FBI Director Robert Muller told Vanity Fair magazine in December that he didn't think the techniques disrupted any attacks.

Some other omissions and misstatements by Cheney in his Thursday speech:

- Cheney said that President Barack Obama's decision to release the four top-secret Bush administration memos on the interrogation techniques was "flatly contrary" to U.S. national security, and would help al-Qaida train terrorists in how to resist U.S. interrogations.

However, Blair, who oversees all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, said in his statement that he recommended the release of the memos, "strongly supported" Obama's decision to prohibit using the controversial methods and that "we do not need these techniques to keep America safe."

- Cheney said that the Bush administration "moved decisively against the terrorists in their hideouts and their sanctuaries, and committed to using every asset to take down their networks."

The former vice president didn't point out that Osama bin Laden and his chief lieutenant, Ayman al Zawahri, remain at large nearly eight years after Sept. 11 and that the Bush administration began diverting U.S. forces, intelligence assets, time and money to planning an invasion of Iraq before it finished the war in Afghanistan against al-Qaida and the Taliban.

There are now 49,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan fighting to contain the bloodiest surge in Taliban violence since the 2001 U.S.-led intervention, and Islamic extremists also have launched their most concerted attack yet on neighboring, nuclear-armed Pakistan.

- Cheney denied that there was any connection between the Bush administration's interrogation policies and the abuse of detainees at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, which he blamed on "a few sadistic guards ... in violation of American law, military regulations and simple decency."

However, a bipartisan Senate Armed Services Committee report in December traced the abuses at Abu Ghraib to the approval of the techniques by senior Bush administration officials, including former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

"The abuse of detainees in U.S. custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of 'a few bad apples' acting on their own," said the report issued by Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and John McCain, R-Ariz. "The fact is that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality and authorized their use against detainees."

- Cheney said that "only detainees of the highest intelligence value" were subjected to the harsh interrogation techniques, and he cited Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

He didn't mention Abu Zubaydah, the first senior al-Qaida operative to be captured after Sept. 11. Former FBI special agent Ali Soufan told a Senate subcommittee last week that his interrogation of Zubaydah using traditional methods elicited crucial information, including Mohammed's alleged role in Sept. 11.

The decision to use the harsh interrogation methods "was one of the worst and most harmful decisions made in our efforts against al-Qaida," Soufan said. Former State Department official Philip Zelikow, who in 2005 was then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's point man in an internal fight to overhaul the Bush administration's detention policies, joined Soufan in his criticism.

- Cheney said that "the key to any strategy is accurate intelligence," but the Bush administration ignored warnings from experts in the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the State Department, the Department of Energy and other agencies, and used false or exaggerated intelligence supplied by Iraqi exile groups and others to help make its case for the 2003 invasion.

Cheney made no mention of al-Qaida operative Ali Mohamed al-Fakheri, who's known as Ibn Sheikh al-Libi, whom the Bush administration secretly turned over to Egypt for interrogation in January 2002. While allegedly being tortured by Egyptian authorities, al-Libi provided false information about Iraq's links with al-Qaida, which the Bush administration used despite doubts expressed by the DIA.

A state-run Libyan newspaper said al-Libi committed suicide recently in a Libyan jail.

- Cheney accused Obama of "the selective release" of documents on Bush administration detainee policies, charging that Obama withheld records that Cheney claimed prove that information gained from the harsh interrogation methods prevented terrorist attacks.

"I've formally asked that (the information) be declassified so the American people can see the intelligence we obtained," Cheney said. "Last week, that request was formally rejected."

However, the decision to withhold the documents was announced by the CIA, which said that it was obliged to do so by a 2003 executive order issued by former President George W. Bush prohibiting the release of materials that are the subject of lawsuits.

- Cheney said that only "ruthless enemies of this country" were detained by U.S. operatives overseas and taken to secret U.S. prisons.

A 2008 McClatchy Newspapers investigation, however, found that the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees captured in 2001 and 2002 in Afghanistan and Pakistan were innocent citizens or low-level fighters of little intelligence value who were turned over to American officials for money or because of personal or political rivalries.

In addition, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Oct. 5, 2005, that the Bush administration had admitted to her that it had mistakenly abducted a German citizen, Khaled Masri, from Macedonia in January 2004.

Masri reportedly was flown to a secret prison in Afghanistan, where he allegedly was abused while being interrogated. He was released in May 2004 and dumped on a remote road in Albania.

In January 2007, the German government issued arrest warrants for 13 alleged CIA operatives on charges of kidnapping Masri.

- Cheney slammed Obama's decision to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp and criticized his effort to persuade other countries to accept some of the detainees.

The effort to shut down the facility, however, began during Bush's second term, promoted by Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

"One of the things that would help a lot is, in the discussions that we have with the states of which they (detainees) are nationals, if we could get some of those countries to take them back," Rice said in a Dec. 12, 2007, interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. "So we need help in closing Guantanamo."

- Cheney said that, in assessing the security environment after Sept. 11, the Bush team had to take into account "dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists."

Cheney didn't explicitly repeat the contention he made repeatedly in office: that Saddam cooperated with al-Qaida, a linkage that U.S. intelligence officials and numerous official inquiries have rebutted repeatedly.

The late Iraqi dictator's association with terrorists vacillated and was mostly aimed at quashing opponents and critics at home and abroad.

The last State Department report on international terrorism to be released before Sept. 11 said that Saddam's regime "has not attempted an anti-Western terrorist attack since its failed plot to assassinate former President (George H.W.) Bush in 1993 in Kuwait."

A Pentagon study released last year, based on a review of 600,000 Iraqi documents captured after the U.S.-led invasion, concluded that while Saddam supported militant Palestinian groups - the late terrorist Abu Nidal found refuge in Baghdad, at least until Saddam had him killed - the Iraqi security services had no "direct operational link" with al-Qaida.

Now, if you want to give me crap about my statement that "Cheney has never told the truth about anything," I'll remind you of the meaning of the word, hyperbole

hy·per·bo·le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]

?noun Rhetoric.

1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
   
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as ?to wait an eternity.?

Origin:
1520?30; < Gk hyperbol excess, exaggeration, throwing beyond, equiv. to hyper- hyper- + bol throw

I'll grant you that he probably doesn't lie when asked his name, but as much of a traitor, murderer, torturer, and war criminalas he is, I'm not sure why he admits it. :Q

The above is just a small sample of Cheney's history of lies, but it's enough of a sample that it's your turn. Now, it's your turn. I again challenge you to prove that any of the above Cheney quotes is not a LIE. I'll make it easier for you than before. I'll limit the challenge to just the above list, instead of every lie that piece of shit has told since he took office in 2000.

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

If that's all you've ever read in any of my posts, you're still a reading challenged ethical turd.

If you felt confident in your points, you could make them without having to tell people to "kiss your ass" and without calling them "turds." Unfortunately, that's all that you can come up with. I think you may be the "challenged" one.

Go ahead and call me some more names - it just further proves my point.

OK. Since you requested it. It doesn't prove your non-existent point or anything else, but it feels good to call a morally challenged, sub-human ethical turd like you exactly what you are.

 

[FuzzyBee]

YHPM (PSA - Watch the 'Mod callout' thing)

Fern
P&N Moderator

Originally posted by: Harvey

Dickewad Cheney LIES

Now, if you want to give me crap about my statement that "Cheney has never told the truth about anything," I'll remind you of the meaning of the word, hyperbole

hy·per·bo·le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]

?noun Rhetoric.

1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
   
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as ?to wait an eternity.?

Origin:
1520?30; < Gk hyperbol excess, exaggeration, throwing beyond, equiv. to hyper- hyper- + bol throw

I'll grant you that he probably doesn't lie when asked his name, but as much of a traitor, murderer, torturer, and war criminalas he is, I'm not sure why he admits it. :Q

The above is just a small sample of Cheney's history of lies, but it's enough of a sample that it's your turn. Now, it's your turn. I again challenge you to prove that any of the above Cheney quotes is not a LIE. I'll make it easier for you than before. I'll limit the challenge to just the above list, instead of every lie that piece of shit has told since he took office in 2000.

In other words, you got caught in a lie yourself, and now you're trying to back out of it. And you have the gall to call me an "ethically challenged turd." What does that make you?

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

If that's all you've ever read in any of my posts, you're still a reading challenged ethical turd.

If you felt confident in your points, you could make them without having to tell people to "kiss your ass" and without calling them "turds." Unfortunately, that's all that you can come up with. I think you may be the "challenged" one.

Go ahead and call me some more names - it just further proves my point.

OK. Since you requested it. It doesn't prove your non-existent point or anything else, but it feels good to call a morally challenged, sub-human ethical turd like you exactly what you are.

Nice. I'm a turd. :roll:

By the way, have we met? You seem to know all about me from behind your keyboard, eh?

At least you've confirmed to me that access to these forums (an "moderator status", to boot) requires no age check. Cheers! :beer:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I think everyone here knows my stance on most political issues, but this really isn't a political issue at all. blackangst1 is right, the commentators talking about Pelosi are right. I'm as big of a Democrat as you can find, and I think in this case it's pretty clear Pelosi is just completely full of shit. Now it doesn't change what anyone else said or did, but the fact is that if we're going to fire people or put them on trial or make them resign for being involved in waterboarding, that list should include Pelosi and anyone else in Congress who stood idly by while it was happening.

Now that the Republican party basically consists of some guys sitting in a bar in Alabama, I'm sure it feels a lot safer for Pelosi and folks like her to take a "strong" stance against waterboarding. But you know what? The tide of public opinion has changed, we have a new President, and an intelligence community that has said they abandoned the practice. What the fuck do we need fair weather Democrats like Pelosi for now? When we really needed her was when we didn't know what was going on, and she and her fellow Congressional representatives should have done something about it on our behalf. THAT'S what we elect these people for, not to jump on the bandwagon when it's politically safe to do so.

I'm pissed at Bush and the Republicans for all they did to harm what this country is supposed to stand for. But I'm just as mad at my party for their totally pathetic inability to locate their backbone when we really needed them to. Maybe someone should be jumping up and down on the Republicans for supporting waterboarding, but it sure as shit shouldn't be the people like Pelosi who had a chance to do something about it before and totally failed to do so.

Part of the problem with politics in this country is that everyone is so caught up in partisan fighting that they forget there are real issues at stake. And sometimes solving those issues is more important than scoring political points...sometimes it even requires you to admit that your "side" is less than perfect. And an inability to do that makes someone a shmuck, whether they're on the left or the right...

Edit: Most of that isn't meant to be directed at you, blackangst1, by the way...your links just gave me a convenient jumping off point

*GREAT* post! :thumbsup:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

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At least you've confirmed to me that access to these forums (an "moderator status", to boot) requires no age check. Cheers! :beer:

Nice mod call out.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

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At least you've confirmed to me that access to these forums (an "moderator status", to boot) requires no age check. Cheers! :beer:

Nice mod call out.

It's just a response. If anything, I think you should probably say "Nice user call-out" to Captain Happy.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

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At least you've confirmed to me that access to these forums (an "moderator status", to boot) requires no age check. Cheers! :beer:

Nice mod call out.

It's just a response. If anything, I think you should probably say "Nice user call-out" to Captain Happy.

AFAIK a mod is actively posting in a thread isn't acting as a mod in it.

FWIW you're being nit-picky over the Cheney lying thing. Of course Harvey know not *everything* he said was a lie and you know damned well that's not what was intended. More semantics.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

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At least you've confirmed to me that access to these forums (an "moderator status", to boot) requires no age check. Cheers! :beer:

Nice mod call out.

It's just a response. If anything, I think you should probably say "Nice user call-out" to Captain Happy.

AFAIK a mod is actively posting in a thread isn't acting as a mod in it.

FWIW you're being nit-picky over the Cheney lying thing. Of course Harvey know not *everything* he said was a lie and you know damned well that's not what was intended. More semantics.

Perhaps if Harvey put away his broad brush he constantly uses, he (nor you, I guess) would have to worry about it.

Face it - Harvey made a statement that he can't back up, and now he's trying to backtracking. I'm sure he appreciates your help in covering up for him. :roll:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Nice. I'm a turd. :roll:

I'm glad we agree about something. :beer: :thumbsup:

Now, try refuting all of Cheney's lies from my previous post. In fact, try refuting just ONE of them. We'll be waiting to see if you can, or if all you can do is continue to attempt to divert attention from the fact that you can't.
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By the way, have we met? You seem to know all about me from behind your keyboard, eh?

At least you've confirmed to me that access to these forums (an "moderator status", to boot) requires no age check. Cheers! :beer:

Ignoring the irrelevant reference to me as a mod, thanks for the laugh. :laugh:

Obviously, you know even less about me... unless you think I'm too OLD to understand why I would consider anyone who condones TORTURE, let alone supports the fact that your criminal EX-Traitor In Chief, Vice Traitor In Chief and their gang of thugs committed those horrific acts in our name, to be an immoral, ethically challenged, sub-human turd.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So Harvey...is it safe to say that you also think Pelosi is an "immoral, ethically challenged, sub-human turd"? She knew about what was going on and did nothing.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
So Harvey...is it safe to say that you also think Pelosi is an "immoral, ethically challenged, sub-human turd"? She knew about what was going on and did nothing.

yes. Anyone in the chain of command that allowed this to happen should be tried for warcrimes. Give them their day in court, pelosi could be innocent but let the courts decide.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

So Harvey...is it safe to say that you also think Pelosi is an "immoral, ethically challenged, sub-human turd"? She knew about what was going on and did nothing.

I think it's safe to say you didn't read my post earlier in this thread that addressed what Pelosi has said and done. YOU say Pelosi knew that the CIA was committing acts of torture. Pelosi specifically denies the CIA informed her that they were using waterboarding and other means of torture. I'll save you the time and repost it, here.

1. Assuming for the sake of argument that Pelosi lied, it wouldn't excuse the lies of your thankfully EX-Traitor In Cheif, or the EX-ViceTraitor In Cheif or any of the rest of their criminal gang.

2. I don't believe you can prove she HAS lied. The jury's still out on whether Pelosi "lied" when she said the CIA mislead her. Other Democrats who were "briefed" have stated that they were NOT told waterboarding was being used, and Republicans have stated the CIA has lied.

Pelosi's not the only Democrat who says the CIA lied to Congress.

Another Democrat Says CIA Records On Briefings Were Not Accurate

First Posted: 05-19-09 11:30 AM | Updated: 05-19-09 06:11 PM

Yet another Democrat in Congress is alleging that the CIA included incorrect information in its records about past congressional briefings on interrogation policies.

Rep. David Obey sent a letter to CIA Director Leon Panetta on Tuesday saying that "in light of current controversy about CIA briefing practices," he was "surprised to learn that the agency erroneously listed an appropriations staffer as being in a key briefing on September 19, 2006, when in fact he was not."

Writes the Wisconsin Democrat: "The list the agency released entitled 'Member Briefings on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EITs)', shows that House Appropriations Committee defense appropriations staffer Paul Juola was in that briefing on that date. In fact, Mr. Juola recollects that he walked members to the briefing room, met General Hayden and Mr. Walker, who were the briefers, and was told that he could not attend the briefing. We request that you immediately correct this record."

The letter makes Obey the fourth Democrat to allege that the CIA's record of which members of Congress were briefed on the Bush administration's enhanced interrogation techniques contained factual errors. Former Sen. Bob Graham, in an interview with the Huffington Post, noted that the agency's records initially had him being briefed four times in 2002 about the interrogation techniques. Upon contacting officials with the CIA, it was determined that he had only attended one such briefing. Similarly, Sen. Jay Rockefeller has said that the records kept by the agency and made public on May 7 contained errors in regards to his briefings.

All told, the testimonies of these three Democratic officials bolster the case made by Speaker Nancy Pelosi that the agency's own account of those now-controversial briefings is misleading. Pelosi -- like Graham -- has insisted that members of Congress were kept in the dark in the fall of 2002 about the Bush administration's use of waterboarding on terrorist suspects.
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Democrats aren't the only ones:

Last year, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committe, Pete Hoekstra, of Michigan, he said this in response to a case he was watching very closely -- An American citizen who was killed in a plane crash -- A cover up he alleged involving the CIA -- He said these words:

"We cannot have an intelligence community that covers up what it does and then lies to Congress."

I say there are lots of accusations back and forth, but there is no proof that Pelosi was briefed about it one way or the other. Any other member of Congress of either party who knew the CIA and/or their contractor proxies were committing torture should have outed such crimes.

It wouldn't have been easy. It would have taken integrity and courage. Why should we demand less from our elected leaders?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Nice. I'm a turd. :roll:

I'm glad we agree about something. :beer: :thumbsup:

Now, try refuting all of Cheney's lies from my previous post. In fact, try refuting just ONE of them. We'll be waiting to see if you can, or if all you can do is continue to attempt to divert attention from the fact that you can't.
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By the way, have we met? You seem to know all about me from behind your keyboard, eh?

At least you've confirmed to me that access to these forums (an "moderator status", to boot) requires no age check. Cheers! :beer:

Ignoring the irrelevant reference to me as a mod, thanks for the laugh. :laugh:

Obviously, you know even less about me... unless you think I'm too OLD to understand why I would consider anyone who condones TORTURE, let alone supports the fact that your criminal EX-Traitor In Chief, Vice Traitor In Chief and their gang of thugs committed those horrific acts in our name, to be an immoral, ethically challenged, sub-human turd.

Why don't you just admit you are back-tracking? I caught you in a bald-faced lie, and you try to cover your true colors by blaming hyperbole. If you recall, *YOU* declared haughtily that Cheney has "never told the truth". I called you on it, and *you're* the one diverting - your typical modus operandi.

I guess your motto is that if you sling enough shit on a wall, some of it will stick, eh? I know that about you.

BTW, please post links to the thread where I "condone TORTURE, let alone supports the fact that your criminal EX-Traitor In Chief, Vice Traitor In Chief and their gang of thugs committed those horrific acts in our name". Once again, put up or shut up. Sure you know how to use the search function here, eh?

Crickets, indeed, you two-bit hack.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

So Harvey...is it safe to say that you also think Pelosi is an "immoral, ethically challenged, sub-human turd"? She knew about what was going on and did nothing.

I always believe Democrats and think that Republicans are always lying. I'm a hack!

Well, now *we* agree about something! :thumbsup:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

So Harvey...is it safe to say that you also think Pelosi is an "immoral, ethically challenged, sub-human turd"? She knew about what was going on and did nothing.

I always believe Democrats and think that Republicans are always lying. I'm a hack!

Well, now *we* agree about something! :thumbsup:

Since I didn't post that, in addition to you being an ethically challenged, immoral, sub-human piece of shit for supporting torture, we can agree that you're a pissant liar. :thumbsdown:

You asked for Cheyney's lies. I gave you plenty, and I challenged you to refute just ONE of them. That was four hours ago, plenty of time for you to prove that at least ONE of my quotes that wasn't a LIE, but you haven't. Obviously, that's because you CAN'T. :roll:

Since you've made a project out of replying to lie, call me names and duck the issue rather than proving even the slightest wisp of truth in your own monumental bullshit, I'll keep bumping this thread to see if you can or to laugh at your lying ass because you're an epic failure. :laugh:
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[Harvey]

Well, it's been over an hour, and you still haven't replied to show that you can prove that I was wrong about even ONE of Cheney's lies I posted so I'm back with the evening bump before heading for dinner. I'll keep bumping this thread to see if you can or if you're just going to allow everyone to continue laughing at your lying ass because you're an epic failure. :laugh:
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[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

So Harvey...is it safe to say that you also think Pelosi is an "immoral, ethically challenged, sub-human turd"? She knew about what was going on and did nothing.

I always believe Democrats and think that Republicans are always lying. I'm a hack!

Well, now *we* agree about something! :thumbsup:

Since I didn't post that, in addition to you being an ethically challenged, immoral, sub-human piece of shit for supporting torture, we can agree that you're a pissant liar.

LMFAO. If anyone should know one, it's you! :laugh:

You asked for Cheyney's lies.

Who is "Cheyney"? If you meant "Cheny", please show me where I "asked for Cheney's lies".

What is it you typed?

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To refresh you, I asked you to back up your statement of "Cheney can't tell the truth." You can't do that, so you divert, as usual.

Since you've made a project out of replying to lie, call me names and duck the issue rather than proving even the slightest wisp of truth in your own monumental bullshit, I'll keep bumping this thread to see if you can or to laugh at your lying ass because you're an epic failure.

Can someone please translate this from "sputtering Harvey nonsense" to English? Thanks!

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Well, it's been over an hour, and you still haven't replied to show that you can prove that I was wrong about even ONE of Cheney's lies I posted so I'm back with the evening bump before heading for dinner. I'll keep bumping this thread to see if you can or if you're just going to allow everyone to continue laughing at your lying ass because you're an epic failure. :laugh:
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Wow. I *have* a life, and a family - my life *doesn't* consist of cutting-and-pasting sputtering nonsense in an Internet forum. *Obviously*, that's not the case for you.

That "everyone" you hear laughing must be the voices. I'm no doctor, but I would bet that one would recommend some serious meds for you. Perhaps you should check with an MD!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

Well, it's been over an hour, and you still haven't replied to show that you can prove that I was wrong about even ONE of Cheney's lies I posted so I'm back with the evening bump before heading for dinner. I'll keep bumping this thread to see if you can or if you're just going to allow everyone to continue laughing at your lying ass because you're an epic failure. :laugh:
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Wow. I *have* a life, and a family - my life *doesn't* consist of cutting-and-pasting sputtering nonsense in an Internet forum. *Obviously*, that's not the case for you.

That "everyone" you hear laughing must be the voices. I'm no doctor, but I would bet that one would recommend some serious meds for you. Perhaps you should check with an MD!

That "rushing" noise you hear is the sound of humanity flushing ethically challenged, sub-human moral turds like you from civilized human society. If that alleged "family" of yours is as full of shit as you, we will definitely have to spend more money on infrastructure to increase the capacity of the nation's sewer system.

But thanks for yet more lame pissant excuses and attempts to divert attention from the fact that you still can't prove that I was wrong about even ONE of Cheney's lies I posted so here's another bump to remind you that, until you can, you are still an EPIC FAILURE. :laugh:
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[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Harvey

Well, it's been over an hour, and you still haven't replied to show that you can prove that I was wrong about even ONE of Cheney's lies I posted so I'm back with the evening bump before heading for dinner. I'll keep bumping this thread to see if you can or if you're just going to allow everyone to continue laughing at your lying ass because you're an epic failure. :laugh:
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Wow. I *have* a life, and a family - my life *doesn't* consist of cutting-and-pasting sputtering nonsense in an Internet forum. *Obviously*, that's not the case for you.

That "everyone" you hear laughing must be the voices. I'm no doctor, but I would bet that one would recommend some serious meds for you. Perhaps you should check with an MD!

That "rushing" noise you hear is the sound of humanity flushing ethically challenged, sub-human moral turds like you from civilized human society. If that alleged "family" of yours is as full of shit as you, we will definitely have to spend more money on infrastructure to increase the capacity of the nation's sewer system.

But thanks for yet more lame pissant excuses and attempts to divert attention from the fact that you still can't prove that I was wrong about even ONE of Cheney's lies I posted so here's another bump to remind you that, until you can, you are still an EPIC FAILURE. :laugh:

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Let's see. I'm a "turd", and my "alleged family" is "full of shit". Easy to say such ignorant statements from behind a keyboard, Internet tough guy. You're genuinely pathetic.

... and you still can't answer my questions or defend your bald-faced lies. All you can do is try to get me to defend things I haven't said - nor can you find. Really sad.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: blackangst1
She has admitted she was. Learn to google. Or click the link a couple posts up that shows it. And the fact she WAS briefed, and continued to not only fund it and condone it, but encourage her counterparts to also, makes her an accessory.

I know she was briefed, however there is some dispute as to the nature of the briefing as well as the information presented during the briefing. If you re-read my statements, you'll see that was alluded to. Regardless, I'm glad you think Pelosi is an accessory to a crime (evident from your choice of language), so let's include her in the group we lay charges against:

George W Bush
Dick Cheney
Alberto Gonzales
John Yoo
Jay Bybee
Steven Bradbury

And I'm sure we can suck more R's into the probe. How many Republican members of the House and Senate were briefed along with Pelosi? What did Condi Rice know? Did Rumsfeld know about this too?

So, I sure hope you support a full and exhaustive probe of these individuals and their role in the crimes at hand? Or are you going to be selective and continue to only support a probe of Pelosi? Right?

Frankly, I don't give two craps if Pelosi knew and goes down as a result. No big loss IMHO. I just want to see this investigated fully.

Why is no one prosecuting? Interesting problem, isnt it?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Genx87

So lets see the documents and prove Cheney a liar!

Senator Levin agrees. He said:

I hope that the documents are declassified, so that people can judge for themselves what is fact, and what is fiction," he added.

And I cant believe nobody in the media is roasting Pelosi over her obvious lies.

1. Assuming for the sake of argument that Pelosi lied, it wouldn't excuse the lies of your thankfully EX-Traitor In Cheif, or the EX-ViceTraitor In Cheif or any of the rest of their criminal gang.

2. I don't believe you can prove she HAS lied. The jury's still out on whether Pelosi "lied" when she said the CIA mislead her. Other Democrats who were "briefed" have stated that they were NOT told waterboarding was being used, and Republicans have stated the CIA has lied.

And your problem Harvey is you believe this. The Dems say they werent told you believe them, the GOP says interragation worked, you dont.

If you weren't on a mission to spread FUD, you'd know I did NOT say that. Taking the second of my two paragraphs first, I said there are others in Congress, including some Republicans, who have also reported that the CIA mislead or lied to them. I also said that Genx87 and others who insist Pelosi is lying can't prove that assertion. I've posted elsewhere that the truth about what she was and was not told has not been established.

I've also posted that I would like to see the documents Cheney claims will prove him right made public. To her credit, so has Pelosi, and so has Levin. If Cheney, Pelosi, Levin and others want that, I can wait to see the evidence before declaring she lied. What's your excuse for rushing to judgment? :Q

Which gets back to my first paragraph stating that your thankfully EX-Traitor In Cheif, EX-ViceTraitor In Cheif the rest of their criminal gang DID lie. They lied to Congress, the American people and the world about their reasons for starting their war in Iraq. As of 5/31/09, their war of LIES had wasted the lives of 4,306 American troops and left tens of thousands more Americans wounded, scarred and disabled for life.

They lied about WMD. They lied about connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda. They lied about Saddam trying to buy uranium in Niger. They lied about outing Valerie Plame. They lied about shredding the rights guaranteed to every American under the U.S. Constitution.

They lied, and they lied, and they lied. And they lied about committing TORTURE and other crimes against humanity. They even tortured the English language by marketing their TORTURE with a long euphamism, "enhanced interrogation techniques" in their attempts to divert attention from the raw, unmitigated evil that it is. The name of the evil is TORTURE! :thumbsdown: :|

I don't even have to post one of three foot long macros documenting the Bushwhackos' lies. All I have to do is refer to them, and everyone knows I've got the facts, including names, dates and links to credible documentation proving their lies so don't even think about denying them.

Are you proud of that record?

I found it strange that you haven't actually stated your own views about TORTURE in this thread so I checked your posts in the thread about Mancow subjecting himself to waterboarding. As in this thread, all you did in that thread was insult others and post irrelevant diversions, but you never bothered to post your own opinion about the subject in that thread, either.

That made me even more curious so I searched for your posts on waterboarding for the last three months, and all I found was more of the same.

The fact is, you're all too willing to post extraneous drivel to divert attention from the subject and, failing that, to call others meaningless names for what they post, but when it comes to taking a stand on the issue, you're a spineless wimp who's too chickenshit to post an opinion of your own, let alone support it with links to facts and data. :roll:

I believe your pic should be listed next to the word partisan in the dictionary.

I found a pic of you. :laugh:

Youre a blind hack.

So says the jackass who's either too stupid to form his own opinion or too chickenshit to post one, let alone defend it.

Youre right-I havent posted my personal view on waterboarding. Ive said that before. But what I also havent ever done, is defend the CIA for doing it. Theres a BIG difference between admitting the acts were possibly done in such a way as to avoid prosecution, and actually AGREEING with it. Which I've NEVER done. Learn the difference. It really doesnt matter what I, or you, think of it. The fact is, if alllll these crimes against humanity were actually blatent illegal acts, please explain why no one is prosecuting?

I wont hold my breath.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Let's see. I'm a "turd", and my "alleged family" is "full of shit".

At least, you got that right. Maybe you aren't reading challenged. :laugh:

Easy to say such ignorant statements from behind a keyboard, Internet tough guy.

Yeah? And what are you going to do about it... "tough guy?" :Q

You're genuinely pathetic.

Thanks. I consider that a compliment coming from you.

But it doesn't make you any less of an ethically challenged, sub-human moral turd. :thumbsdown:

... and you still can't answer my questions or defend your bald-faced lies.

Yes, I did. I reminded you of the definition of hyperbole, and I even gave you a link to confirm it.

hy-per-bo-le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]

?noun Rhetoric.

1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
   
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as ?to wait an eternity.?

Origin:
1520?30; < Gk hyperbol excess, exaggeration, throwing beyond, equiv. to hyper- hyper- + bol throw

Hmmm... Maybe you ARE reading challenged, as well.

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

All you can do is try to get me to defend things I haven't said - nor can you find.

All you can do is deny that Cheney and the rest of the Bushwhacko traitors have told ever changing lie after lie, after lie in trying to justify leading our nation into their shameful war of LIES in Iraq. As of 06/2/09, they have squandered the lives of 4,308 American troops and left tens of thousands more Americans wounded, scarred and disabled for life.

Along the way, in furtherance of their criminal plot, they shattered the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under our once honored, once valued U.S. Constitution, and they committed horrific crimes, including TORTURE and other war crimes and crimes against humanity, in the name of our nation and our people.

They have shamed us to ourselves and before the world. AS DO YOU!

But thanks for the bump. And since you still haven't proven that I was wrong about even ONE of Cheney's lies I posted so here's another bump to remind you that, until you can, you are still an EPIC FAILURE and a disgrace to the United States of America and to humanity. :thumbsdown: :|
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[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Let's see. I'm a "turd", and my "alleged family" is "full of shit".

At least, you got that right. Maybe you aren't reading challenged. :laugh:

Easy to say such ignorant statements from behind a keyboard, Internet tough guy.

Yeah? And what are you going to do about it... "tough guy?" :Q

You're genuinely pathetic.

Thanks. I consider that a compliment coming from you.

But it doesn't make you any less of an ethically challenged, sub-human moral turd. :thumbsdown:

... and you still can't answer my questions or defend your bald-faced lies.

Yes, I did. I reminded you of the definition of hyperbole, and I even gave you a link to confirm it.

hy-per-bo-le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]

?noun Rhetoric.

1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
   
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as ?to wait an eternity.?

Origin:
1520?30; < Gk hyperbol excess, exaggeration, throwing beyond, equiv. to hyper- hyper- + bol throw

Hmmm... Maybe you ARE reading challenged, as well.

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

All you can do is try to get me to defend things I haven't said - nor can you find.

All you can do is deny that Cheney and the rest of the Bushwhacko traitors have told ever changing lie after lie, after lie in trying to justify leading our nation into their shameful war of LIES in Iraq. As of 06/2/09, they have squandered the lives of 4,308 American troops and left tens of thousands more Americans wounded, scarred and disabled for life.

Along the way, in furtherance of their criminal plot, they shattered the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under our once honored, once valued U.S. Constitution, and they committed horrific crimes, including TORTURE and other war crimes and crimes against humanity, in the name of our nation and our people.

They have shamed us to ourselves and before the world. AS DO YOU!

But thanks for the bump. And since you still haven't proven that I was wrong about even ONE of Cheney's lies I posted so here's another bump to remind you that, until you can, you are still an EPIC FAILURE and a disgrace to the United States of America and to humanity. :thumbsdown: :|
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Exemplary conduct, child. :roll:

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Why is no one prosecuting? Interesting problem, isnt it?

It is. And yet, I don't think this is over yet...