what?Ati isn't too popular in laptops.
http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd-takes-market-share-2009aug18.aspx
what?Ati isn't too popular in laptops.
Nvidia will be around for as long as they can find new product names for the G92.
what?nvidia still has almost twice market share as ATi, don't forget that apple is using nvidia exclusively and Ati isn't too popular in laptops.
ATi hasn't exactly capitalized on nvidia problems because stuff that sells is mid-range.
http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd-takes-market-share-2009aug18.aspx
nvidia still has almost twice market share as ATi, don't forget that apple is using nvidia exclusively and Ati isn't too popular in laptops.
ATi hasn't exactly capitalized on nvidia problems because stuff that sells is mid-range.
nV launched a product with very low availability. Last reported quarter, without this new part available, they posted a $400Million gross profit.
Did you not read my entire post and draw some natural, parallel conclusions? Before Phenom II came out, AMD had very little/nothing competitive in the CPU space above $100. Even their cheaper CPU's were easily matched by Intel's competitively priced ones. At the same time, AMD had nothing competitive in the GPU front during most of the nvidia 8800 series run. They had been bleeding massive amounts of cash quarter after quarter, and continued to do so until late last year. It didn't happen over night, but now AMD is doing pretty damn good both with products and finances.
Nvidia is currently not in nearly as bad of a position financially as AMD was during their dearth of poorly competitive products.
It IS however currently on the path towards destruction.
I like having the big chip option I think nVidia just executed poorly, probably due to a touch of arrogance assuming TSMC could execute perfectly like nVidia does.. Anyway.. I will likely not spend over $200 on a GPU but I think it's important to have the big chip option to push games along. AMD filling in the mid-range in nVidia's wake seems a perfectly fine strategy for both companies, it just happened that nVidia crashed their boat this round.
Don't mislead. Gross profit does not mean that at the bottom line NVDA made 400mil. In the quarter you are thinking of NV's net income was 131mil. Respectable, especially given their situation, but nothing so enormous as you're trying to spin.
Well the 6 million figure isnt surprising since AMD has their mid/low range DX11 parts out for awhile now. The 10000 figure for nVIDIA is made purely of GTX480/470 parts, whereas for AMD you got the entire evergreen family.
Ion, future tegra wins, future GPU's, business space for GPGPU, future consoles, future handhelds, future cloud computing, possible arm cpu + gpu fusion, future cell phones, future 3D televisions... I think nvidia will be just fine. A year ago everyone was scared shitless about AMD going completely bankrupt, and now they're turning a profit.
On a side note, a buddy of mine got a 2004 Golden Tee Machine. It wasn't working, so as we were taking it apart trying to find out what was wrong, I saw it had a 3dfx video card. Nothing like recycling years old hardware. Ha!
The whole thing with the spin to me is that AMD is spun as negitively as possible, Nvidia is not. I just feel there is some bias from some members I guess. Whatever though, the news is what the news is. 10k Fermis shipped, you can take that however you want.
I do think that very soon nVidia is going to need to find different markets because the integrated and low end GPU's will completely disappear from the lineup as ATI and Intel release their CPU+GPU chips.
Oh yeah, I can't wait to see what AMD rolls out but as far as I know, the Clarksdale is doing a good enough job handling video for low end stuff.
Add to that it can decode VC1/MPEG4/AVC and probably any other beefy codec and nVidia/ATI won't even be needed for small factor HTPCs.
I personally don't see ATI/nVidia reclaiming this portion of the market.
Um, ATI will still be around. They are part of this strange company called AMD. AMD is going to do the same thing as Intel, put a GPU on the same package as the CPU, and that GPU will come from... ATI.
Um, yeah - read my post thoroughly, I said AMD (I know AMD owns ATI now.) I'm implying ATI's discrete line up (ie not IGP) as I'd believe the AMD versions wouldn't carry the ATI name/logo, just an AMD processor name.
Optimus isn't going to be used in an HTPC (the market I referred to.)
If someone wants to build their HT system around a laptop, sure I guess. Whatever floats their boat.
There are lots of 'desktop' systems which use laptop components. That includes most all in one/touchscreen computers from people like HP, Apple etc, and often that sort of computer also comes with a TV tuner and is designed for multimedia/TV viewing use.
Also building an HTPC around a laptop base is a great idea if you want something small, low power but fast enough for HTPC type use (non-encoding).
nVidia is still a very healthy company and unless you're a stockholder, you shouldn't really be worried about them. Yet. No company is going to come out unscathed with a couple of "bad" product cycles like Fermi. But we haven't crossed that bridge and unless you're into doom and gloom, let's hold off on that until we do.
I do think that very soon nVidia is going to need to find different markets because the integrated and low end GPU's will completely disappear from the lineup as ATI and Intel release their CPU+GPU chips.
NV are well aware of what will happen in the future, and it's not like they've been ignoring it and sitting on their thumbs waiting for it all to disappear.
The problem isn't Nvidia's awareness, it's the brevity of their options. And of late their execution. Over the next two years the impending loss of nearly all their 86 related markets is going to decimate their cash flow, tank their stock price and make them a buyout target.
Nvidia is in deep trouble.
JHH's job security is in even deeper trouble.
hehe i used to have a higher respect for the Video forum. Now, it's becoming more of a pissing contest platform. I can always tell how certain people will respond to a post. Eg, guys like Solofly will respond predictably with an ATI friendly post. Keysplayer and Benskywalker will do so for NV.
LOL reading this forum now is an exercise in filtering.
However, the most amusing character has to be Tweakboy.