Legitimate rape victims don't get pregnant

[nehalem256]

Wow, you really are clueless.

1) Condoms' only use is to prevent pregnancy
2) Hormonal BC pills have many uses outside of preventing pregnancy
3) Condoms are available over the counter
4) Hormonal BC is available only by perscription (a "barrier to entry" if you will)
5) Not every woman can use condoms (see: reaction to spermicide or latex)
6) Not every woman can use the cheapest BC available (drug interactions, side effects, etc.)

So, have you considered all of that yet? Good. Now how about you stop being a good little mysoginist and allow women and their doctors to make the best decisions about their health without you and your misguided beliefs getting in the way. Sexual/Reproductive health is an important subset of overall health. Men do not have the same equipment or issues regarding sexual/reproductive health, and you complain about things not being 100% equal. No sh*t. Men and women are different in that sphere. As they say, "thems the ropes".

1.) Cool. Hence the term contraception
2.) And this is an argument for me paying for them why?
3.) Sounds like a recommendation for condoms
4.) Sounds like an argument for condoms
5.) Hence as I pointed out condoms with out spermicide and made on non-latex. Its like someone else thought of this problem before you!
6.) Well they can use one of the gazillions of condoms.

I am fine with allowing doctors and women to make choices about their health as soon as they allow me to make choices about my wallet. That sounds more than fair.

Women can start complaining about get the short end of the health stick when they start dying 5 years sooner.

 

[MovingTarget]

1.) Cool. Hence the term contraception
2.) And this is an argument for me paying for them why?
3.) Sounds like a recommendation for condoms
4.) Sounds like an argument for condoms
5.) Hence as I pointed out condoms with out spermicide and made on non-latex. Its like someone else thought of this problem before you!
6.) Well they can use one of the gazillions of condoms.

I am fine with allowing doctors and women to make choices about their health as soon as they allow me to make choices about my wallet. That sounds more than fair.

Women can start complaining about get the short end of the health stick when they start dying 5 years sooner.

I should've expected this. Perhaps I can make decisions "about my wallet" too, denying you the eventual blood pressure/cholesterol/ED/prostrate/pain management/decongestant/antibiotic medications just because I take a particular dislike at your situation. But that isn't how insurance works, lucky for you. You can't use the "its my money!" excuse when health is concerned, especially in an insurance or common pool-based system. Deal with it.

Oh, and despite women having a longer lifespan on average, your bolded statement really takes the cake. Mysoginy and/or childishness FTL.

 

[zinfamous]

Title is wrong. He didnt say "dont". He said, and I quote from your quote,


Nevertheless, it appears the rape pregnancy rate is about 5%.

good lord, it just keeps getting dumber....


here's a tip: pregnancy is relatively rare.


A lot of planning tends to go into the average pregnancy. With rape, you add randomness, you account for all of the weeks of a month when the woman is not ovulating, and has a very, very low chance of becoming pregnant.

It's dumb enough for this nutbagger to say what he said and to believe what he believes (frankly--public apologies for this are useless, as we all now know what a true idiot he is), but to use the same numbers to defend any part of what he said is no less stupid.

 

[zinfamous]

1.) Cool. Hence the term contraception
2.) And this is an argument for me paying for them why?
3.) Sounds like a recommendation for condoms
4.) Sounds like an argument for condoms
5.) Hence as I pointed out condoms with out spermicide and made on non-latex. Its like someone else thought of this problem before you!
6.) Well they can use one of the gazillions of condoms.

I am fine with allowing doctors and women to make choices about their health as soon as they allow me to make choices about my wallet. That sounds more than fair.

Women can start complaining about get the short end of the health stick when they start dying 5 years sooner.

why do you hate women?

 

[zinfamous]

to his defense.. i think girls do get preggo when they subconsciously want to. ive seen it so many times... a girl can be with a guy for years and never gets knocked up, but then go finds a new bf and within weeks BAM she has a baby in the oven.

notsureifserious...

"it takes two to tango" etc...

 

[nehalem256]

I should've expected this. Perhaps I can make decisions "about my wallet" too, denying you the eventual blood pressure/cholesterol/ED/prostrate/pain management/decongestant/antibiotic medications just because I take a particular dislike at your situation. But that isn't how insurance works, lucky for you. You can't use the "its my money!" excuse when health is concerned, especially in an insurance or common pool-based system. Deal with it.

Funny how there is no problem with gender rating when it is negative for men huh?

Also funny how their is no law against copays for any of the drug types you mentioned huh?

I wonder why contraception is special? :hmm:

Oh, and despite women having a longer lifespan on average, your bolded statement really takes the cake. Mysoginy and/or childishness FTL.

Because clearly men dying doesnt matter. So long as women get their free birth control.

 

[nehalem256]

why do you hate women?

Expecting independent women to take care of themselves is not "hating" women.

Why do you think women are not capable of taking care of themselves?

 

[berzerker60]

So you're strongly against women having children if they aren't certain they can afford them, and in favor of forced abortions for these pregnancies,

and you're strongly against free birth control

even though birth control and sex education would be wildly more cost-effective and humane.

Classy.

 

[blackangst1]

good lord, it just keeps getting dumber....


here's a tip: pregnancy is relatively rare.


A lot of planning tends to go into the average pregnancy. With rape, you add randomness, you account for all of the weeks of a month when the woman is not ovulating, and has a very, very low chance of becoming pregnant.

Agree 100%

It's dumb enough for this nutbagger to say what he said and to believe what he believes (frankly--public apologies for this are useless, as we all now know what a true idiot he is),

Agree 100%

but to use the same numbers to defend any part of what he said is no less stupid.

I didnt, and I wasnt defending anything. I was looking for as unbiased numbers as I could find on the rate of pregnancy from rape, and this is the link I found. Got a problem with it? Fine. I posted a bad source. Find something more accurate then. But how you got the idea I was "using the same numbers to defend (him)" is unknown to me.

 

[blackangst1]

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I wonder why contraception is special? :hmm:

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Seriously?

 

[nehalem256]

Seriously?

No I understand why. Its called pandering. People with high blood pressure are not a special interest group.

So you're strongly against women having children if they aren't certain they can afford them, and in favor of forced abortions for these pregnancies,

and you're strongly against free birth control

even though birth control and sex education would be wildly more cost-effective and humane.

Classy.

I am strongly against paying for other people's life poor life choices and entertainment. What is the such a strange concept?

 

[Bitek]

why do you hate women?

The prescription Viagra has proven to be ineffective and has lead to considerable frustration? All those $5 copays were for nothing?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I am strongly against paying for other people's life poor life choices and entertainment. What is the such a strange concept?

No, you're strongly against men paying for women's "poor life choices and entertainment".

You are strongly in favor of women paying for men's "poor life choices and entertainment".

 

[zinfamous]

I didnt, and I wasnt defending anything. I was looking for as unbiased numbers as I could find on the rate of pregnancy from rape, and this is the link I found. Got a problem with it? Fine. I posted a bad source. Find something more accurate then. But how you got the idea I was "using the same numbers to defend (him)" is unknown to me.

no, it's not a bad source--it's just a failure to qualify terms, in this case average, planned/wanted pregnancy, vs pregnancy from rape.

Planned pregnancy, or simply the task of pregnancy is a very rare thing. When a couple plans to get pregnant, they fuck quite consistent over the period of ~1 week to get it done....to saturate the ave 2.5% chance that it would occur? An incident of rape occurs...once? for it to be "rare" is certainly not shocking. (lol, as mentioned earlier in this thread, it would suggest that rape from pregnancy actually occurs more frequently than the average? that's weird. I find this hard to believe...)

For this congressman to compare two completely unrelated terms and draw such erroneous conclusions form the numbers is preposterous. Further, for this dingbat to draw any fabricated biological conclusions, beyond his complete failure of understanding simple numbers, is laughable.

It's a task of being "funny with numbers." He is being duplicitous, and making himself out to be an idiot in the process.

The facts are fine. The failure comes in trying to abuse those numbers by not knowing how to apply them.

sorry if I misunderstood you as defending him (I didn't think you were on his side--just that you seemed to be drawing the same conclusion in the same way that he drew his conclusion--completely misunderstanding numbers that are, by all accounts, quite true--yet completely independent)

 

[nehalem256]

No, you're strongly against men paying for women's "poor life choices and entertainment".

You are strongly in favor of women paying for men's "poor life choices and entertainment".

Please explain what men's poor life choices and entertainment I am in favor of paying for?

Or give an example of the where the government pays for men's poor life choices or entertainment.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Please explain what men's poor life choices and entertainment I am in favor of paying for?

Or give an example of the where the government pays for men's poor life choices or entertainment.

Smoking cessation, alcoholism treatment, etc...

 

[nehalem256]

Smoking cessation, alcoholism treatment, etc...

I don't think the government should pay for that. I propose canings for drug possession. That will cut down on the problem, it worked for singapore.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Please explain what men's poor life choices and entertainment I am in favor of paying for?

Sex.

You are on record as stating that men should be able to have sex without taking care of birth control, as that's "easier for women", and that if any pregnancy results, the woman should either be forced to have an abortion or pay for all the costs that result herself.

You only advocate personal responsibility for women.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

I don't think the government should pay for that. I propose canings for drug possession. That will cut down on the problem, it worked for singapore.

Soooo you'd rather pay for their room and board in prison

LOL

 

[nehalem256]

Sex.

You are on record as stating that men should be able to have sex without taking care of birth control, as that's "easier for women", and that if any pregnancy results, the woman should either be forced to have an abortion or pay for all the costs that result herself.

You only advocate personal responsibility for women.

I never said men shouldnt pay for BC for women they are having sex with. In fact if a man wont pay for BC, or at least part of it, that would seem to be a good sign not to have sex with him.

As for pregnancy. Liberals have said for 40 years that having a child is 100% a woman's choice. Stop faulting me for listening to them.

If a man won't help pay for an abortion consider that a cheap lesson that he is a jerk.

But since there is no way to determine the father, how can the government impose half the cost of an abortion on him.

EDIT: And note that the ACA does NOT require condoms to be free. Only female contraception.

 

[nehalem256]

Soooo you'd rather pay for their room and board in prison

LOL

Canings do not require prison :sneaky:

 

[MovingTarget]

Funny how there is no problem with gender rating when it is negative for men huh?

Also funny how their is no law against copays for any of the drug types you mentioned huh?

I wonder why contraception is special? :hmm:



Because clearly men dying doesnt matter. So long as women get their free birth control.

It is not a negative for men necessarily. We are different. I'm sure as medical science advances, the lifespans of men and women will narrow. But you seem to link the accessibility to free birth control to that link? Thats preposterous. The men of society have a duty to ensure that women are taken care of, and vice versa. Its called civilization. It progresses. Women and men have different health care needs, but that doesn't diminish our duty to each other.

 

[Phokus]

Someone should start a tv show called "Republicans say the darndest thing" and just choose a random audience, arm them with rotten fruit and vegetables and see how many can be thrown in half an hour.

 

[nehalem256]

It is not a negative for men necessarily. We are different. I'm sure as medical science advances, the lifespans of men and women will narrow. But you seem to link the accessibility to free birth control to that link? Thats preposterous. The men of society have a duty to ensure that women are taken care of, and vice versa. Its called civilization. It progresses. Women and men have different health care needs, but that doesn't diminish our duty to each other.

I am saying that women can hardly whine about getting the short end of the health care stick when they live 5 more years.

They pay more they live longer. How is this a bad deal?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I never said men shouldnt pay for BC for women they are having sex with.

You said it was women's responsibility because it was "easier" for them.

As for pregnancy. Liberals have said for 40 years that having a child is 100% a woman's choice. Stop faulting me for listening to them.

This is evasion. You're responsible for your viewpoints, not "liberals". You trot out this lame rationale every time you're challenged on anything -- it is wholly unpersuasive.