Legitimate rape victims don't get pregnant

[UberNeuman]

I understand that if a woman clicks her heels three times that pregnancy is prevented...

\there's no place in my womb... there's no place in my womb... there's no place in my womb...

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Men cannot get abortions.

Men cannot force a woman to use any of the plethora of BC options they have. Nor can they even readily verify she is using them.

Your only answer for a man not wanting to have a child is for him to practice abstinence. Funny how that is the exact same response a right-wing nut would tell women who didnt want to have a child huh?

The reason women have the responsibility is that they have the power.



I believe that phrase was a jape at someone who claimed that pregnancy occurs when a man chooses to ejaculate inside a woman. As if the woman was not choosing to allow it

Pure nonsense.

Men can aither use condoms or get a vasectomy.

You are trying to argue that the consequence for a joint decision should only lie with one party simply because the consequence of that decision soly lies with that one party.

So because a woman makes the final decision in your mind she bears 100% responsibility.

But this would be akin to saying that a person who throws a brick off a tall building bears no responsibility for injuring the person they hit because that person had the option of wearing a helmet out in public.

Guess what, if you drink and drive and kill someone in another car because they weren;t wearing a seat belt, you are still guilty of manslaughter.

 

[nehalem256]

Right it's part of a womans body and a man helped her create it. She carries it for nine months and then pushes it out; an experience that has been compared to pulling a Cabbage Patch Doll through your nostril.

The man helping to create it is irrelevant. He has no rights to it.

And unless the male partner is forced to take at least financial responsibility for for the raising of the child the woman is forced to bring the child up on her own. So maybe you should convince all the men who don't have the balls or the most basic of morals to man up and support the child.

Wrong. The woman only has to bring it up on her own if she is too stupid to get an abortion.

EDIT: And why cant the woman bring the child up on her own. Does she need a man for some reason?

You mean just like women who get abortions?

 

[nehalem256]

Pure nonsense.

Men can aither use condoms or get a vasectomy.

You are trying to argue that the consequence for a joint decision should only lie with one party simply because the consequence of that decision soly lies with that one party.

Condoms can fail. A vasectomy is not generally considered a reversible procedure. And what if the woman say hey don't worry Im on the pill, but is lying?

EDIT: And what doctor is going to perform a vasectomy on a 17 year old boy?

So because a woman makes the final decision in your mind she bears 100% responsibility.

A fetus is not a child right? She is the one who makes the important decision of whether to have a child. This is the important decision. She is 100% capable of preventing it from becoming a child.

And yeah somehow someone who decides to carry a fetus for 9 months is a little more responsible for the child being born than someone who engages in 15 minutes of mutual drunken sex.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Doesn't he have a ton of rich donors in his party giving a shitload of money to superpacs while Mccaskill has almost nothing in comparison? Conservatives got what they want.

Thank you for painting things with your usual ignorant broad brush. This guy is an idiot irrespective of his other political leanings. Even hard line conservatives are cringing at what he said. And there are plenty of rich libs out there that could support Mccaskill.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Yes, cringing.

Thousands of people stepped up and helped us raise over $100,000! The message is clear... voters should pick candidates, not party bosses.

 

[Farang]

pwned http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/mo/missouri_senate_akin_vs_mccaskill-2079.html

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I understand that if a woman clicks her heels three times that pregnancy is prevented...

\there's no place in my womb... there's no place in my womb... there's no place in my womb...

Oh, this is about women?

I thought the premise of this was only true with prison sex....

 

[ch33zw1z]

Oh, this is about women?

I thought the premise of this was only true with prison sex....

Great song.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Great song.

~_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd-hwfQm6UA&feature=fvst

 

[Incorruptible]

The people arguing against Akin are hypocrites, where is the outrage over biden telling black people romney will put them back in chains.

Typical double standards of liberals

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The people arguing against Akin are hypocrites, where is the outrage over biden telling black people romney will put them back in chains.

Typical double standards of liberals

You really don't understand the difference? Don't get me wrong I believe you are probably ignorant enough to not see the glaring difference. I just want to make sure.

 

[hal2kilo]

Thank you for painting things with your usual ignorant broad brush. This guy is an idiot irrespective of his other political leanings. Even hard line conservatives are cringing at what he said. And there are plenty of rich libs out there that could support Mccaskill.

Actually, I think that's a crock. He only stated what a majority of the Republican base believes. He just made the mistake of stating it publicly. Hell, it's now the platform of the Republican party. NO EXCEPTIONS!

 

[Incorruptible]

You really don't understand the difference? Don't get me wrong I believe you are probably ignorant enough to not see the glaring difference. I just want to make sure.

There is a difference but why is there only outrage when a republican says it but a democrat can get away with it

 

[MomentsofSanity]

There is a difference but why is there only outrage when a republican says it but a democrat can get away with it

The fact you're still posing the question demonstrates you don't get the difference. A democrat didn't say it. Biden said nothing even remotely close to it. If they did the outrage would be comparable. You choose to believe otherwise for some reason.

Are you blind to the fact the both sides of the aisle were unanimous in condemning Akin and calling for him to drop out?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

The people arguing against Akin are hypocrites, where is the outrage over biden telling black people romney will put them back in chains.

Typical double standards of liberals

Sean Hannity is a liberal? Wow, that's breaking news.

 

[Incorruptible]

The fact you're still posing the question demonstrates you don't get the difference. A democrat didn't say it. Biden said nothing even remotely close to it. If they did the outrage would be comparable. You choose to believe otherwise for some reason.

Are you blind to the fact the both sides of the aisle were unanimous in condemning Akin and calling for him to drop out?

biden told a group of black people that romney would put them back in chains but there is no outrage over that because he is a democrat

As well sean hannity is NOT a Conservative, he is a neo-con and a liberal

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/11225/1167149-176-0.stm?cmpid=elections.xml#ixzz23XqJ6QBz

Turning his ire to the incumbent administration, Mr. Santorum warned against the perils of the national health care law approved by Congress last year. He said that if it were allowed to take full effect, "it is the end of liberty." The measure would create a dangerous sense of dependency on government, he said. "They will put you in chains called 'Obamacare,' and you will never break away."

OMG liberal!!1

 

[Charles Kozierok]

As well sean hannity is NOT a Conservative, he is a neo-con and a liberal

LOL.

 

[Geekbabe]

Cancer is not choice.

Now, as for a pregnancy being a choice...

If it is not. The completely destroys any reasoning behind forcing men to be responsible for a woman's reproductive choice. He did not choose to get her pregnant. Nor did he choose to bring it to term.

Her choice her responsibility. Seems pretty simple.



I never said they did not have the right to terminate a pregnancy

I said they did not have the right to force society, or their baby daddy, to bear the consequences of their choice to bring it to term. Liberals wish for society in general, and men in particular, to be slaves to women's reproductive choices.

Okay, if we go along with your reasoning that women and women alone should bear 100% of the costs and responsibilities of reproduction are you also okay with the idea that there will no longer be any such entity know as a " father" ? Are you okay with totally doing away with men's paternity rights?

As far at the topic at hand, Akin's woeful knowledge of biology is pretty concerning since he's on the house science committee

 

[nehalem256]

Okay, if we go along with your reasoning that women and women alone should bear 100% of the costs and responsibilities of reproduction are you also okay with the idea that there will no longer be any such entity know as a " father" ? Are you okay with totally doing away with men's paternity rights?

As far at the topic at hand, Akin's woeful knowledge of biology is pretty concerning since he's on the house science committee

Does the fact that we allow legal adoption and legal abortion mean that we have done with the entity of the "mother"?

I am saying that men should have the same choice as women. If a man chooses not to take responsibility that he would lose all paternity rights.

Although really men do not have much in the way of paternity rights.

-Women can abort a man's child
-In many states women are allowed to abandon a child at hospital without the knowledge or consent of the man.
-Women can simply choose not to tell the man she is pregnant. But then later if she needs money she can choose to tell him.
-Women can lie about who the father is, and if it is later discovered there is no punishment for her
-The vast majority of the time women will be given custody of the child

What paternity rights are you talking about exactly? It seems that men largely only have what rights women chose to give them?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Actually, I think that's a crock. He only stated what a majority of the Republican base believes. He just made the mistake of stating it publicly. Hell, it's now the platform of the Republican party. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Look, more cringing:

Boosted by a fund-raising appeal from Mike Huckabee, embattled Senate candidate Todd Akin has raised $206,000 online since his "legitimate rape" comment inflamed the political universe last Sunday.

Akin's web consultant Wesley Donehue told CNN that the donations came from 3,300 unique contributors online, and did not include checks that are "pouring in" to the campaign.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/24/todd-akin-gets-online-fundraising-boost/

 

[hal2kilo]

As well sean hannity is NOT a Conservative, he is a neo-con and a liberal

Dude, you must have some good connects. Shit, you're not even in this universe anymore.

 

[Geekbabe]

Does the fact that we allow legal adoption and legal abortion mean that we have done with the entity of the "mother"?

I am saying that men should have the same choice as women. If a man chooses not to take responsibility that he would lose all paternity rights.

Although really men do not have much in the way of paternity rights.

-Women can abort a man's child
-In many states women are allowed to abandon a child at hospital without the knowledge or consent of the man.
-Women can simply choose not to tell the man she is pregnant. But then later if she needs money she can choose to tell him.
-Women can lie about who the father is, and if it is later discovered there is no punishment for her
-The vast majority of the time women will be given custody of the child

What paternity rights are you talking about exactly? It seems that men largely only have what rights women chose to give them?

Women can chose abortion because unfortunately technology isn't yet advanced enough to allow for the transfer of a fetus into the Father's body or for supporting said fetus in an incubator till it can breath independently. She is the carrier vessel, she gets the deciding vote.
Also, let me point out that men also benefit from abortion, I would suspect that the vast majority of abortion decisions are made jointly by the couple.

Fathers of newborns can also abandon them at hospitals under the safe haven laws without consent of the mother.

Child support isn't owed till a claim for it is filed & paternity proven, a women who doesn't tell a guy she is pregnant till she needs money will get child support going forward but she isn't likely to be rewarded with a fat retroactive check.

Paternity needs to be proven before child support is ordered. I suspect that in cases you've stated about women lying that the women involved truly didn't know who the father was, aside from intense humiliation what other punishment would you like to see meted out?

In situations where the parents aren't married, default custody is assumed to be with the mother. Once the father has signed the birth record or paternity has been proven, fathers do have rights & they are exercising those rights in increasing numbers.

Wanting to assign full legal responsibility for reproduction & the care & feeding of any offspring that result solely to women creates a matriarchal society, are you ready for that?

 

[nehalem256]

Fathers of newborns can also abandon them at hospitals under the safe haven laws without consent of the mother.

Note how you removed "knowledge" from your statement. If a father did without the consent of the mother it would probably be a national news story about how some horrible man stole the baby from a poor innocent woman.

Child support isn't owed till a claim for it is filed & paternity proven, a women who doesn't tell a guy she is pregnant till she needs money will get child support going forward but she isn't likely to be rewarded with a fat retroactive check.

So the man has no right to know he has a child. And a woman can deprive a man of knowing his child and then when things get tough decide she would like to have his money.

Paternity needs to be proven before child support is ordered. I suspect that in cases you've stated about women lying that the women involved truly didn't know who the father was, aside from intense humiliation what other punishment would you like to see meted out?

Prison. Committing paternity fraud should be treated the same as rape.

In situations where the parents aren't married, default custody is assumed to be with the mother. Once the father has signed the birth record or paternity has been proven, fathers do have rights & they are exercising those rights in increasing numbers.

That does not sound like equal rights to me.

Wanting to assign full legal responsibility for reproduction & the care & feeding of any offspring that result solely to women creates a matriarchal society, are you ready for that?

I want men to have the same choice about being a parent as women do; in fact still LESS as I have not advocated that men should be able force a woman to carry a child.

No matriarchal society will come about, because it is impossible. Remove mandatory child support and welfare for single mothers and how many women do you think will still choose to have a child alone? How many would be capable of raising a child in said environment?