Leaked ATI S.I. 6870 benchmark

[toyota]

Well yeah. That's kind of why some of us are asking for data sources. But we are being ignored. Without data sources, reliable ones at that, this is all quite a lot of nothing.

well you are a mod so tell him to either cough up his sources or explain why he can't.

 

[Keysplayr]

Bryan, agreed. If he is indeed correct, it would be a boon to have him here. Just a bit amazed how many are not even questioning it and letting him slide right now. Provides a bit of clarity though.

 

[railven]

Well yeah. That's kind of why some of us are asking for data sources. But we are being ignored. Without data sources, reliable ones at that, this is all quite a lot of nothing.

I'd suggest treating it as nothing. Let the sheep follow their new shepard (though I strongly doubt some of these guys are taking this guy as the ATI Messiah.)

It just makes you look petty as a known nVidia Focus Group member in trying to call him out. Let him be. It isn't hurting you or anyone else.

 

[MrK6]

MrK6. So you and Kenmitch both fully support a dude just showing up that seems to have VERY detailed information, NDA information and aren't the least bit curious how he came across and just take all this in as gospel?

Where did I say that was the case? You get way too intense about this stuff (which isn't surprising). It's information, that's it, take it for face value. None of it seems to be fake or ridiculous nor do the benchmarks. They actually seem to be close to what I would expect, based on the rumors, and if they're 'shopped, bravo, those are good 'shops. However, that really doesn't change much anyway? Let me ask you this: are you upset that people are getting excited about information that possibly isn't 100% accurate or are you upset because people are getting excited about an AMD part?

Well, that's your perogitive, but would you have reacted the same way had Silverforce11 came in here giving out NDA information for Nvidias next line of cards? Would you have received it just as well as you are now and even offer explanations for him?

You have to remember that not everyone else is a fanboy nor has a vested interested in graphics cards, most of us are actually here because we enjoy the hobby. In fact, let's take a look at NVIDIA's last release, where Charlie was reporting some negative things about Fermi: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2061780 . While it was sensationalized, he was pretty much correct about the problems with Fermi (heat/power usage, noise, missed performance levels, etc.), and I mentioned several times pre-Fermi release that what he said did make sense. Although you were right there with the damage control: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29540982&postcount=77 .

Dude, you and I both know you'd be breaking out the cattle prods. So what gives?

That's what you would like, wouldn't you? A yin to balance your yang so you don't look like the only shill with an agenda? Sorry, find someone else. Like I said and just showed, that's your initiative, not anyone else's, and I won't be dragged down to your level.

A shill is a person who is paid to help another person or organization to sell goods or services. The shill pretends to have no association with the seller/group and gives onlookers the impression that he or she is an enthusiastic customer. See Keysplayr's signature? He is not a shill. Enough of the personal attacks on Keys' status. -Admin DrPizza

 

[tincart]

What's the point in arguing about Silverforce?

Lack of support with the first posts suggests that even if they have a secure source for this info, they're not going to divulge.

If they don't have a secure source for the info and are indeed FOS, they are not going to say that either. "Oh by the way, everything I said is the fart in a gnome's fairytale!"

I declare myself a Silverforce agnostic. I'm not going to pay any attention to the info, or treat it as a fact and I'm not going to bother arguing against it. No one knows, no one is going to know and it's likely Silverforce won't tell us one way or the other.

Let it be.

 

[ArchAngel777]

The response was regarding his comment: "If the tessellation number are true, I wonder if the pro-Nvidia crowd will still chant how important it is, as it is mentioned a lot now."

Nvidia crowd should want HD6000 series to beat GTX4xx series in tessellation if they truly believe that tessellation is an important DX11 feature that will stay around in the future. 😎

I'd agree with your second paragraph. But that goes for pretty much everything and in any industry.

 

[OCGuy]

What's the point in arguing about Silverforce?

Lack of support with the first posts suggests that even if they have a secure source for this info, they're not going to divulge.

If they don't have a secure source for the info and are indeed FOS, they are not going to say that either. "Oh by the way, everything I said is the fart in a gnome's fairytale!"

I declare myself a Silverforce agnostic. I'm not going to pay any attention to the info, or treat it as a fact and I'm not going to bother arguing against it. No one knows, no one is going to know and it's likely Silverforce won't tell us one way or the other.

Let it be.

Actually that isnt how it works. He is quoting pricing, as well as giving specific performance data for a cut-down 6870 (6770), when all we have seen are *possible* leaked benchmarks for the flagship card.

Either give us a little insight as to where this is coming from, or stop posting it.

 

[Kenmitch]

MrK6. So you and Kenmitch both fully support a dude just showing up that seems to have VERY detailed information, NDA information and aren't the least bit curious how he came across and just take all this in as gospel?
Well, that's your perogitive, but would you have reacted the same way had Silverforce11 came in here giving out NDA information for Nvidias next line of cards? Would you have received it just as well as you are now and even offer explanations for him?
Dude, you and I both know you'd be breaking out the cattle prods. So what gives?

I don't fully support anything and try to stay out of the Red vs Green battle as much as possilble.

Could just be the new AMD marketing way of doing things.

It's possible that the original poster has a reliable source for his information that he can't divulge. Or it's also a possibility that he is the source.

Time will tell if the information is true or not. Nothing I've seen so far in this thread seems too far fetched to be true as far as performance goes.

As far as if it was a nvidia new generation topic then I'd most likely feel the same way.

 

[tincart]

Actually that isnt how it works. He is quoting pricing, as well as giving specific performance data for a cut-down 6870 (6770), when all we have seen are *possible* leaked benchmarks for the flagship card.

Aside from reiterating what is happening in this thread, I can't identify any positive point in this. Thank you for the editorial work.

Either give us a little insight as to where this is coming from, or stop posting it.

1. Why?
2. That is a moderators call, not yours.

We are on something called the internet. There are people who will post completely baseless claims as fact and there's nothing you can do to stop them. Deal with it.

 

[evolucion8]

Considering the 5870 is 188 watts and the 470 is 225 watts where do you think the 20%-30% performance increase is coming from? You believe there will be no power consumption increase to match? I can't think of any previous GPU architecture change that increased performance without also increasing power consumption when there wasn't also a die shrink involved. And even when there were die shrinks most of the time power consumption still went up.

The HD 4870 was 2.5 of everything compared to the HD 3870 and power consumption increased by 50W (110W vs 160W), in the very same manufacturing process, its about engineering and the different architectures can't be compared together.

 

[tviceman]

Hey dude. Just in case you missed it, I've asked you a question a few pages back. Here it is again.

"Silverforce, this is great info, but some would like to know the sources you are quoting for reference. Me included. Do you know someone who works at AMD?
Are you a beta tester? That kind of stuff. It doesn't appear you are under any sort of NDA because you're giving the kind of info that normally would be prohibited by said NDA. Just curious. I see others are as well."

-Thanks! If you did see it, and just don't want to answer, that's fine but just let us know you saw it.

-Keys

Yes I asked him as well. It's great if it's all true, but this guy is giving out some highly detailed information that hardcore rumor sites aren't even beginning to touch yet.

 

[tviceman]

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Wow. A guy asks where someone else's sources are from and why you are so easily believing every unsubstantiated word he says, and you go on several paragraph rant/assault/defense. If this guy was leaking information as detailed about upcoming next gen Nvidia parts, whether it would be true or false, you would be attacking it and not embracing it as matter-of-fact. Your awesomeness is never ending.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Actually that isnt how it works. He is quoting pricing, as well as giving specific performance data for a cut-down 6870 (6770), when all we have seen are *possible* leaked benchmarks for the flagship card.

Either give us a little insight as to where this is coming from, or stop posting it.

He has given insight. But you want more than that . You want source / LOL!

He has every right to post . plus his info looks probable to most all of us, Whether true or not remains to be seen .

If your following the BD stuff here and other forums JD has yet to ans the IPC question relavent to clock speed per single thread apps. Several people been banned because of this . So what good is a source thats believeable if they don't ans. A simple question simply. Tell me what good knowing his source is believeable but look at the results of that knowledge . Bans because a simple question hasn't been answered. Saying it has higher iPC is not the answer to the question . The question is at the same clock speed . or don't those deeper pipes matter. Ya . its offtopic but the point is knowing the source is not always a good thing . It can cause unjust judgement by others vs, an authority!

 

[railven]

Been lurking for some time and even I can tell it's the usual green guys that are really ruffled by this lack of sources.

I say keep posting. I don't care if it's true or not. I just want stuff to read inbetween batches at work. Plus, it's bring Russian out with some good info that I'm sure isn't fabricated to correlate the Silverforce stuff.

EDIT: For starters, I wasn't aware Southern Islands was never in the AMD pipeline. I wonder if Charlie started the rumors up because he knew/guessed what AMD had planned for NI on the 40nm process.

 

[cliftonite]

Actually that isnt how it works. He is quoting pricing, as well as giving specific performance data for a cut-down 6870 (6770), when all we have seen are *possible* leaked benchmarks for the flagship card.

Either give us a little insight as to where this is coming from, or stop posting it.

Why should he stop posting it? Is it against any forum rules? You could stop reading it or ignore him....

 

[Grooveriding]

Don't let the cries of people who have some absurd dedication to only one video card provider derail the thread. Ignore them. It's somewhat refreshing to see ATI emerging as the performance leader after being the underdog for so long.

Hopefully nvidia will get off their asses now and stop trying to feed us garbage like physx and 3dvision. They need to get back to getting out high performing cards in a timely fashion. But it looks like they are going to be a good six or more months behind in gpu technology again this generation.

So more high prices for us :thumbsdown:

At least ATI is going to deliver more top-tier product. Looks like they will have the performance crown for at least 18 months now, unless somehow nvidia can put out some sort of dual gpu card before the 6970 comes out.

I think there was only a one month delay between 5870 release and 5970 release, maybe six weeks. So probably a 6970 in November.

So hopefully the October 12th release date is accurate, seems entirely possible.

I'm all for higher performing video cards that deliver higher frame rates :thumbsup:

It's what I love about video cards, more fps, not the company branding them.

 

[OCGuy]

I hear the 6750 is probably only going to be 10% faster than the 6730. The TDP being only 3% more though will probably make up for this.

I also think if the re-spin, 6890 (probably out Feb-March 2011 if AMD keeps its usual timeline up), can do at least 8-12% over the 6870, AMD will easily defeat the 512SP GTX485 by 10% or more.

 

[Kenmitch]

Don't let the cries of people who have some absurd dedication to only one video card provider derail the thread. Ignore them.

Green with envy!

No need to get nipples twisted over the source of the information. Either it's gonna turn out to be true or just some bullshit you read on the internet.

 

[MrK6]

Wow. A guy asks where someone else's sources are from and why you are so easily believing every unsubstantiated word he says, and you go on several paragraph rant/assault/defense. If this guy was leaking information as detailed about upcoming next gen Nvidia parts, whether it would be true or false, you would be attacking it and not embracing it as matter-of-fact. Your awesomeness is never ending.

Not surprised the Green team sticks together. Like I said, you would love an "enemy" to validate your bullshit, not happening. Anybody else who wants to question my credibility or bipartisanship will get the same response.

Been lurking for some time and even I can tell it's the usual green guys that are really ruffled by this lack of sources.

I say keep posting. I don't care if it's true or not. I just want stuff to read inbetween batches at work. Plus, it's bring Russian out with some good info that I'm sure isn't fabricated to correlate the Silverforce stuff.

EDIT: For starters, I wasn't aware Southern Islands was never in the AMD pipeline. I wonder if Charlie started the rumors up because he knew/guessed what AMD had planned for NI on the 40nm process.

In the same boat, keep the info coming, at least it's something to consider. 😎



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esquared
Anandtech Administrator

 

[Skurge]

What difference does it make?

It doesn't.

Im just curious.
For the record, I believe every word he says cause I'm an AMD fan.

 

[bryanW1995]

Where did I say that was the case? You get way too intense about this stuff (which isn't surprising). It's information, that's it, take it for face value. None of it seems to be fake or ridiculous nor do the benchmarks. They actually seem to be close to what I would expect, based on the rumors, and if they're 'shopped, bravo, those are good 'shops. However, that really doesn't change much anyway? Let me ask you this: are you upset that people are getting excited about information that possibly isn't 100% accurate or are you upset because people are getting excited about an AMD part?
You have to remember that not everyone else is a fanboy nor has a vested interested in graphics cards, most of us are actually here because we enjoy the hobby. In fact, let's take a look at NVIDIA's last release, where Charlie was reporting some negative things about Fermi: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2061780 . While it was sensationalized, he was pretty much correct about the problems with Fermi (heat/power usage, noise, missed performance levels, etc.), and I mentioned several times pre-Fermi release that what he said did make sense. Although you were right there with the damage control: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29540982&postcount=77 .
That's what you would like, wouldn't you? A yin to balance your yang so you don't look like the only shill with an agenda? Sorry, find someone else. Like I said and just showed, that's your initiative, not anyone else's, and I won't be dragged down to your level.

cut out the personal attacks. he's not a video mod anymore, he doesn't need to put focus group member in his signature, he does it to prove his integrity. how many of us here would offer the same?

 

[bryanW1995]

He has given insight. But you want more than that . You want source / LOL!

He has every right to post . plus his info looks probable to most all of us, Whether true or not remains to be seen .

If your following the BD stuff here and other forums JD has yet to ans the IPC question relavent to clock speed per single thread apps. Several people been banned because of this . So what good is a source thats believeable if they don't ans. A simple question simply. Tell me what good knowing his source is believeable but look at the results of that knowledge . Bans because a simple question hasn't been answered. Saying it has higher iPC is not the answer to the question . The question is at the same clock speed . or don't those deeper pipes matter. Ya . its offtopic but the point is knowing the source is not always a good thing . It can cause unjust judgement by others vs, an authority!

scali was banned for incessant trolling. he was warned by 3 THREE!! different mods in the same thread to cool it. he argued with idc, then argued with markfw900, then he even tried to argue with esquared. this is a little bit different, and frankly it appears that the rules here in video are much looser than in most of the other forums. in fact, scali was doing similar crap here but most of us just accepted it as video cards forum bs.

jfamd would almost certainly lose his job for posting an ipc claim before any board partners/professional review sites or even amd itself had working silicon. he's not here as some anonymous yahoo who can claim anything that he wants. besides, how many people here really believe that it would help amd's sales to come clean right now with expected ipc vs SB?

 

[Skurge]

I hear the 6750 is probably only going to be 10% faster than the 6730. The TDP being only 3% more though will probably make up for this.

I also think if the re-spin, 6890 (probably out Feb-March 2011 if AMD keeps its usual timeline up), can do at least 8-12% over the 6870, AMD will easily defeat the 512SP GTX485 by 10% or more.

 

[Nemesis 1]

scali was banned for incessant trolling. he was warned by 3 THREE!! different mods in the same thread to cool it. he argued with idc, then argued with markfw900, then he even tried to argue with esquared. this is a little bit different, and frankly it appears that the rules here in video are much looser than in most of the other forums. in fact, scali was doing similar crap here but most of us just accepted it as video cards forum bs.

jfamd would almost certainly lose his job for posting an ipc claim before any board partners/professional review sites or even amd itself had working silicon. he's not here as some anonymous yahoo who can claim anything that he wants. besides, how many people here really believe that it would help amd's sales to come clean right now with expected ipc vs SB?

I wasn't referring to scali or this forum . The scali thing tho was entertaining as it gets , Who says the guys in white always win.

 

[railven]

I wasn't referring to scali or this forum . The scali thing tho was entertaining as it gets , Who says the guys in white always win.

OT: When did Scali get banned? Perma or temp? Just curious.

Back on topic:

Any word if CFX scaling issues will be resolved? I know the 10.8 CAP patch made a world of difference, but I'd hate to be on the losing side of this issue. I plan on adding a second 5870 for CF once it hits <$200 (which I'm hoping would be around Christmas if the 6870 drops, and everyone is jumping over! haha.)