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Leaked ATI S.I. 6870 benchmark

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The big scare for Nvidia fans is that someone looking to get a GTX460 now, seeing, that next month they can get a faster cheaper card. If I was looking to buy a mid-range now, I would hold off. My guess is that most people would also, thus the panic in certain quarters.
 
maddie said:
The big scare for Nvidia fans is that someone looking to get a GTX460 now, seeing, that next month they can get a faster cheaper card. If I was looking to buy a mid-range now, I would hold off. My guess is that most people would also, thus the panic in certain quarters.
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All the more reason to be skeptical.
 
MrK6 said:
Not surprised the Green team sticks together. Like I said, you would love an "enemy" to validate your bullshit, not happening. Anybody else who wants to question my credibility or bipartisanship will get the same response.
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I'm not affiliated with anyone. Nor did I throw - as you specifically say - throw "bullshit" out anywhere. But it's just like you to be called out and then come back with MORE baseless accusations and while at the same time using convincing, colorful adjectives to back up your parade.

No, sorry, no affiliation. No "bullshit." I just happen to think you are in class of arrogance all by itself.
 
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maddie said:
The big scare for Nvidia fans is that someone looking to get a GTX460 now, seeing, that next month they can get a faster cheaper card. If I was looking to buy a mid-range now, I would hold off. My guess is that most people would also, thus the panic in certain quarters.
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Even as a preferred nvidia user (note for the idiots, I did not say affiliated), it's stupid to be "scared" about anything. If AMD has great next gen parts on the way, then that is fantastic news for consumers and I welcome it. I personally think Nvidia needs a big kick in the nuts. They haven't released an absolutely dominating product - from either a performance or a price standpoint - since the 8800 series.
 
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don't get crazy on us now!

now we get to wait for more rumors... you know charlie and fuad are out there...lurking...looking for good info to later pawn off as their own...

we should just make up some random bullshit to throw them for a loop.
 
Silverforce11 said:
ATI is mass producing the 6K series now with TSMC, at the same 40nm node as the current 5K series. So i think the EOL for the 5K after a few months of 6K release sounds solid. There's really no point in making old stuff when new stuff fits the price range and performs better.

This week there's an expected announcement of a big price drop for the 5800 cards.. so in a fortnight, there should be official 6K series release info.

As per the gtx460 768mb price drop.. nobody wants it, they can't push it in any quantities as they thought. My local IT warehouse has heaps of 768mb cards in stock but few 1gb, that speaks volume.
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oh thanks for the info hopefully it's true, I was that close of recommending the GTX 460 to my friends but now I'll tell them to wait a couple more weeks.
 
I agree with Keyplayr, tviceman etc. about the source. Without an actual source of this information I will not take it as a fact but just speculation.(I was actually one of the first to ask for it)

In fact, the only reason I believe this may be plausible is because AMD definitely has some line of islands lined up to be released (Whether they are south or north) and the code-names matched up to the ones in the drivers. Also considering most rumors point to a November release I expect partners to have some sort of card in their hands by now, but again everything Silver said should be taken with a mountain of salt.

Also about the pricing, if you follow the link to the original slide, all Silver did was convert it from the expected price in China to USD.
 
MegaWorks said:
oh thanks for the info hopefully it's true, I was that close of recommending the GTX 460 to my friends but now I'll tell them to wait a couple more weeks.
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ATI intends to announce cards in October, with launch in November. So your friends are going to be waiting 2 months+ not a couple weeks! 😕 Also, launch prices may be slightly inflated for 2+ weeks due to too much demand (as is usually the case). We also don't know anything about the pricing.
 
RussianSensation said:
ATI intends to announce cards in October, with launch in November. So your friends are going to be waiting 2 months+ not a couple weeks! 😕 Also, launch prices may be slightly inflated for 2+ weeks due to too much demand (as is usually the case). We also don't know anything about the pricing.
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Not the HD6xxx, I was referring to the price drop of the 5800 series. Waiting a week or two is not going to hurt. 🙂
 
RussianSensation said:
ATI intends to announce cards in October, with launch in November. So your friends are going to be waiting 2 months+ not a couple weeks! 😕 Also, launch prices may be slightly inflated for 2+ weeks due to too much demand (as is usually the case). We also don't know anything about the pricing.
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So we have one person releasing "information" about release dates and other info about ATI's upcoming launch, then we have Russian saying that what the previous person said is not true.

?
 
I dont get people being suspicious because the info is too detailed... Its EXACTLY because of that that it sounds legit

Who the hell would come up with stuff like that just for kicks? Unless he is a master troll of course... Usually the leaked info is worthless crap along the lines of Fudzilla: "Our sources say 6870 is faster than GTX480" < O RLY?

If anything its exciting to read what silverforce is posting, be it true or not
 
tviceman said:
http://www.chiphell.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=119414&rpid=2377353&page=3#pid2377353

Now there are reports of the unigine benchmark being faked. The accusation is that the fonts of the 2's are different. Don't shoot the messenger - I don't know personally how the read outs and fonts of the unigine benchmark results page are supposed to look - I'm just delivering the message to add to the discussion.
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Bloody Chinese websites. Google translate is useless.
 
MegaWorks said:
Not the HD6xxx, I was referring to the price drop of the 5800 series. Waiting a week or two is not going to hurt. 🙂
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it depends upon what they want/need. if they're at 1680x1050 with no intention of upgrading the monitor gtx 460 768 is great, especially if they are available for again for ~ $150. 5850 probably isn't going down that low for a long time, esp if the rumored perf of 6xxx is true. now if 6850 blows away 5870 then it might be a different story, but that hardly seems likely. at current likely specs of 6 series price/perf 5850 slots in well in the 199-229 area, with potential sales later depending upon stock.
 
RussianSensation said:
Also, launch prices may be slightly inflated for 2+ weeks due to too much demand (as is usually the case). We also don't know anything about the pricing.
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This used to be a safe assumption, but wasn't the case with the 5-series. I bought a 5870 a few weeks after launch for the MSRP of $389, and they didn't drop lower than that until not too long ago.

If NVIDIA doesn't have anything to counter the 6-series and it performs as well as the info provided in this thread says, I'd suggest jumping on one before they sell out initially and get price gouged. It seems like there is a price ceiling set on the first batch of cards so the pricing coincides with what is written in reviews, but after that it looks like it's fair game to charge whatever.
 
brybir said:
So we have one person releasing "information" about release dates and other info about ATI's upcoming launch, then we have Russian saying that what the previous person said is not true.

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Not at all. From what I've been reading in this thread you got one person saying XYZ about an ATI product and Russian in chiming saying XXZ.

Not all of it matches up but some of it does. The guy could be full of shit and is basing his "info" on the same stuff Russian is linking info for.

But, nothing so far is out of the realm of probability at least from what I've read.
 
bryanW1995 said:
it depends upon what they want/need. if they're at 1680x1050 with no intention of upgrading the monitor gtx 460 768 is great, especially if they are available for again for ~ $150. 5850 probably isn't going down that low for a long time, esp if the rumored perf of 6xxx is true. now if 6850 blows away 5870 then it might be a different story, but that hardly seems likely. at current likely specs of 6 series price/perf 5850 slots in well in the 199-229 area, with potential sales later depending upon stock.
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If ATI did announce a price cut to move old inventory and the 5850 was MSRP'd for $220, and after bing and AR someone can secure it for $200 - would that be a better buy than the 460 1GB?

2 weeks, for me, is worth waiting to see if the prices do drop. If the rumors are true maybe nVidia would counter and drop prices too.

If anything, I'd say buy something now maybe through Amazon and save your receipt for when the price drop is announce. You can enjoy your product now and get the difference back too! ^_^
 
railven said:
If ATI did announce a price cut to move old inventory and the 5850 was MSRP'd for $220, and after bing and AR someone can secure it for $200 - would that be a better buy than the 460 1GB?

2 weeks, for me, is worth waiting to see if the prices do drop. If the rumors are true maybe nVidia would counter and drop prices too.

If anything, I'd say buy something now maybe through Amazon and save your receipt for when the price drop is announce. You can enjoy your product now and get the difference back too! ^_^
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The 5850 would need to be $230 to compete on a price performance basis with a gtx460.
You can get agtx460 1gb for about $210 rather easily nowadays.
 
happy medium said:
The 5850 would need to be $230 to compete on a price performance basis with a gtx460.
You can get agtx460 1gb for about $210 rather easily nowadays.
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And if the 6XXX drops in Oct. for $440 they could buy my XFX 5870 for $200 with warranty🙂
 
railven said:
If ATI did announce a price cut to move old inventory and the 5850 was MSRP'd for $220, and after bing and AR someone can secure it for $200 - would that be a better buy than the 460 1GB?

2 weeks, for me, is worth waiting to see if the prices do drop. If the rumors are true maybe nVidia would counter and drop prices too.

If anything, I'd say buy something now maybe through Amazon and save your receipt for when the price drop is announce. You can enjoy your product now and get the difference back too! ^_^
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hate to burst your bubble, but, um...

and that strategy may or may not work, it will depend upon amazon's future price of said item.

Regarding 6 series performance the msrp will tell us a lot. $449, while a decently high price, would indicate something a bit higher than gtx 480 but probably no higher than a 512sp theoretical gtx 480 would cost. if they could justify $549 or $499 or whatever in today's market then they would charge that, at least initially.
 
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brybir said:
So we have one person releasing "information" about release dates and other info about ATI's upcoming launch, then we have Russian saying that what the previous person said is not true.

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I think there is a misunderstanding between the words "launch/announcement" and retail availability. The one person who said ATI is going to launch cards in October (12th?) didn't specify that the cards will actually be available in stores in October. From several rumours from online sources (i.e., http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/8/13/rumour-radeon-hd-6000-set-october-launch/), it was generally the case that ATI intended to launch/announce HD6000 in October, with parts shipping in November, however.

Alternatively, this source also supports my assessment that high end cards won't ship until November: http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour...schedule-first-iteration-in-october/9688.html

"The first HD 6000 GPU to be released will be the Radeon HD 6700 series, codenamed Barts. The HD 6700 is scheduled for a release as early as October. As suggested by the nomenclature, the HD 6700 will directly replace the HD 5700 series. The HD 6700 release will be followed up by Cayman in November, expected to be branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6800 series, replacing the current HD 5800 series. The flagship will be Antilles, and branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6970. Antilles, as expected, will be a dual-GPU Cayman. The Radeon HD 6970 is scheduled for December. "

If ATI can also ship in October, great, but there is no evidence to support that.

If High end HD6870 is 35&#37; faster than 5870, and mid-range is 1/2 of that, then 6770 is going to be 67.5% of the 5870's performance (or slightly slower than the 5850). Given the lackluster performance of the 5770 which could barely match the 4870 and couldn't beat either of the GTX275 or 4890, 6770 may not be much faster than the 5850, if not slower.
 
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