law bans smoking in ga restaurants

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You can smoke while I eat when I can crap on your meal.

Why would you go to a place that allows smoking? I wouldn't go to a place that allows meal crapping.

More places allow smoking than don't. A severe reduction in your choice, or, put another way, your liberties due to your belief that smoking sucks donkey nads.

I visit places that have non-smoking sections. I know what it is like from both sides of the argument. I used to BE a smoker.

So because the majority of businesses don't do business the way you like, you feel entitled to rob them of their private property rights merely to cater to your comfort?

The sky is falling.

Your tone would instantly change if you were the private business owner whos hand is being forced against your will.

If you don't stand for your private business and personal freedoms, you will fall for anything. That is the irony Jzero was speaking of.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Storing food in an inapproriate manner is illegal for a Dining establishment and OMGWTFLIBERTIES! it's private property.

That's because incorrect food storage can cause people to get sick. More importantly, the patrons are not aware that the food could be tainted. There is no mutual agreement to eat food that has been incorrectly stored.

With smoking, the patrons know and understand that the establishment allows smoking. If they don't like it, they can go elsewhere.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Smokers can always set up private Dining clubs where everyone smokes themselves into a fetid ash-stained mess.

Now you're getting it.
Smokers set up smoking-only joints.
Non-smokers set up non-smoking-only joints.
Everyone is happy, no government interaction required.

I think you'll find I've been getting it all along. As I said, I used to be a smoker, I understand it from both sides.

It won't happen like that though. If it could happen without intervention it would have already.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Yes, I did recieve extra. Did you read the whole thread? Unlikely.

You are currently only standing for being an ass.

Awww....so lobby to have that made illegal too ,why don't you?

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277
Would anyone feel differently about a ban if the voting public decided to ban it, whether it's confined to town/county, etc?

Nope.

Would you feel better if the public voted to ban the sale of soft drinks and say fried foods because the nation is fat?

Would you fell better about it of the public voted to ban oral sex in your home?

Mob rule is not good.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

i never said it was, i just said its great. i do agree though that it should be up to the business as far as what they can and cant do in their own property, and that its bs that the govt is regulating for them.

its been worked around plenty around here though by having people pay a "membership" fee which will be like $5 but a ticket for a "free" drink will also be given to you as part of the membership. and since its now a "private club" they can do what they want in there.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Originally posted by: armatron
http://fsnews.findlaw.com/articles/ap/o/632/05-09-2005/c8c5000aa5c5724b.html

I do not smoke. I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. Even someone smoking in a car in front of my car is annoying and irritating.


However, the fact that the gov't steps in to tell private business owners whether or not they can allow smoking on their property is wrong. While this law benefits me, I still think it's wrong.

It's happening in more and more states, get used to it. I think it is GREAT. I can't wait until my state (Illinois) does the same exact thing.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Nik
Someone smoking in a car in front of your car is annoying and irritating? That sucks. Good thing you respect their right to do so. :thumbsup:

I was following this dude the other day who was smoking in his car and I could smell it because he had his sunroof open. The smell of smoke really bother me after quitting 1.5 years ago a 20 year smoking habit.


Ausm

So close the windows and vents in your car. Change lanes and pass him. Get off the road. You *do* make sure that your air filter is properly working, yes?

Jesus, smokers have to bend over backwards to make the non-smokers happy, but apparently the non-smokers can go out of their way to find other ways to fvck up a smoker's rights. :roll:

 

i never said it was, i just said its great. i do agree though that it should be up to the business as far as what they can and cant do in their own property, and that its bs that the govt is regulating for them.

ps. you're backpeddling.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I think you'll find I've been getting it all along. As I said, I used to be a smoker, I understand it from both sides.

The two sides are not smokers vs. non-smokers. The two sides are private business owners vs. unnecessary government intervention.

It won't happen like that though. If it could happen without intervention it would have already.

Change takes time. Legislation is not the cure-all.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
You know what the funny thing is? I just went to lunch with a girl yesterday, and even though she doesn't smoke, she always takes the smoking section.
Why?
In general, the smoking section is far less crowded and noisy. When we were first seated, we were the only people there for at least 20 minutes. I thought about it, and she's right. I'm a smoker, so naturally I always take the smoking section at lunch time, but I'd never really thought about the fact that there's always more people in non-smoking.

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Storing food in an inapproriate manner is illegal for a Dining establishment and OMGWTFLIBERTIES! it's private property.

That's because incorrect food storage can cause people to get sick. More importantly, the patrons are not aware that the food could be tainted. There is no mutual agreement to eat food that has been incorrectly stored.

With smoking, the patrons know and understand that the establishment allows smoking. If they don't like it, they can go elsewhere.

I'm drawing a blanket parallel, just as the 'no ban' side is. They say that allow this ban and you give up all your civil liberties. I say keep your wig on as we have laws which apply very well and do not mean that a snowball effect will destroy our happy lives as we know it.

 

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

You've heard of washing machines, right?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Hellspawn

Originally posted by: armatron
http://fsnews.findlaw.com/articles/ap/o/632/05-09-2005/c8c5000aa5c5724b.html

I do not smoke. I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. Even someone smoking in a car in front of my car is annoying and irritating.


However, the fact that the gov't steps in to tell private business owners whether or not they can allow smoking on their property is wrong. While this law benefits me, I still think it's wrong.

It's happening in more and more states, get used to it. I think it is GREAT. I can't wait until my state (Illinois) does the same exact thing.

What would your reaction be if the state forced you, and other private property owners to allow smoking on your property?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: SampSon

i never said it was, i just said its great. i do agree though that it should be up to the business as far as what they can and cant do in their own property, and that its bs that the govt is regulating for them.

ps. you're backpeddling.

i know, because i didn't think before i made my first post

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277
Would anyone feel differently about a ban if the voting public decided to ban it, whether it's confined to town/county, etc?

Nope.

Would you feel better if the public voted to ban the sale of soft drinks and say fried foods because the nation is fat?

Would you fell better about it of the public voted to ban oral sex in your home?

Mob rule is not good.

I wouldn't mind having a fat tax that only fat people have to pay..like all you can eat buffets should cost according to your weight.

Why should I have to pay $8 for eating $5 of food, when Shamu pays the same ammount to gorge him/herself on plate after plate?

Why should I have to pay the same amount of fare when I'm paying for a seat when a fat person requires 2 seats? Shouldn't I have to only pay half or something?

Why should I have to pay the same amount for health care when a fat person is likely to use it 2-3 times as much as a non-fat person?

 

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SampSon

i never said it was, i just said its great. i do agree though that it should be up to the business as far as what they can and cant do in their own property, and that its bs that the govt is regulating for them.

ps. you're backpeddling.

i know, because i didn't think before i made my first post

It's ok, most non-smokers don't think.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Storing food in an inapproriate manner is illegal for a Dining establishment and OMGWTFLIBERTIES! it's private property.

That's because incorrect food storage can cause people to get sick. More importantly, the patrons are not aware that the food could be tainted. There is no mutual agreement to eat food that has been incorrectly stored.

With smoking, the patrons know and understand that the establishment allows smoking. If they don't like it, they can go elsewhere.

I'm drawing a blanket parallel, just as the 'no ban' side is. They say that allow this ban and you give up all your civil liberties. I say keep your wig on as we have laws which apply very well and do not mean that a snowball effect will destroy our happy lives as we know it.

I can name dozens of freedoms I have lost in my lifetime. I can't think of one I have gained.

This IS a slippery slope. Nanny-statism ALWAYS is.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You can smoke while I eat when I can crap on your meal.

Why would you go to a place that allows smoking? I wouldn't go to a place that allows meal crapping.

More places allow smoking than don't. A severe reduction in your choice, or, put another way, your liberties due to your belief that smoking sucks donkey nads.

I visit places that have non-smoking sections. I know what it is like from both sides of the argument. I used to BE a smoker.

So because the majority of businesses don't do business the way you like, you feel entitled to rob them of their private property rights merely to cater to your comfort?

if want to enrich weapons grade plutonium on my private property, after all it's my right

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SampSon

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

You've heard of washing machines, right?

I'll wipe dirt on all smokers clothes when I'm near them so they have to wash theirs too. Fair?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Hellspawn

Originally posted by: armatron
http://fsnews.findlaw.com/articles/ap/o/632/05-09-2005/c8c5000aa5c5724b.html

I do not smoke. I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. Even someone smoking in a car in front of my car is annoying and irritating.


However, the fact that the gov't steps in to tell private business owners whether or not they can allow smoking on their property is wrong. While this law benefits me, I still think it's wrong.

It's happening in more and more states, get used to it. I think it is GREAT. I can't wait until my state (Illinois) does the same exact thing.

What would your reaction be if the state forced you, and other private property owners to allow smoking on your property?

that is such a wrong statement. my property isn't for anyone in the public to come into and sit down while i serve them food. a restaraunt is. i see what you are trying to get at, but thats a bad attempt

 

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

You've heard of washing machines, right?

I'll wipe dirt on all smokers clothes when I'm near them so they have to wash theirs too. Fair?

Go for it, though you touching me against my will is assult.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Gurck

But the public is not forced to go into that persons establishment. The electively decide to do so and within that decision decide to be exposed to smoke. Someone bought that building just like you bought your house, and now they are being told what they can and can't do inside it.

There's still a lot of uncertainty about secondhand smoke, with a lot of smokers and 'good ole boy' types thinking it's safe, and that people who don't like the smell are making a big fuss about it to legitimize legislation against smoking. Also, what about an establishment's employees?

Employment is a MUTUAL agreement. If you don't want to be exposed to smoke, don't work where it is allowed.

And, again, smoking is a legal activity. If you don't want to be exposed, don't enter private property that allows it.

Without proper education, many simply don't know the risks. Many employees underestimate them or give them a lower priority than feeding themselves & their families, which is understandable. You can't walk around shooting a gun, crying second amendment & claiming that people knew the risks and should have moved if they didn't want to get shot, and this is similar in principle, if not scale.

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Wait til they say you can't sell brats, burgers and french fries because they are artery cloggers.

I'm serious

Never happen, we need to eat to live, not smoke. Public perspective on the two will never be equal. A "fat tax" on fatty foods or for fat people, and/or an insurance hike for fat people is something I'd agree with.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

You've heard of washing machines, right?

I'll wipe dirt on all smokers clothes when I'm near them so they have to wash theirs too. Fair?

If you, as a the owner of a private establishment, wish to allow your patrons to wipe dirt on the clothes of other patrons, shouldn't you be allowed to do that? As long as your patrons are aware of this practice and consent to it, this should be legal.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SampSon

i never said it was, i just said its great. i do agree though that it should be up to the business as far as what they can and cant do in their own property, and that its bs that the govt is regulating for them.

ps. you're backpeddling.

i know, because i didn't think before i made my first post

It's ok, most non-smokers don't think.

i dont need to think because i know smoking is stupid.