law bans smoking in ga restaurants

[IAteYourMother]

Good.

 

[jpeyton]

Great move by Georgia. :thumbsup:

I hope the rest of the states do the same thing (if they haven't already).

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Robor
The argument that the gov't shouldn't be able to tell private establisments how they can run their business is invalid. There are many laws and regulations that do just that - this is just another one.

That's an awful excuse.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Fritzo
We have that here. I LOVE it. Best law ever

I always made the arguement that if someone was spewing poisonous cyanide gas, they would be arrested, yet somehow spewing cigarette smoke if perfectly legal. Makes no sense to me.

By that line of logic all people driving cars should be arrested.

Cars aren't toxic, and their exhaust isn't piped into a building.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: armatron
http://fsnews.findlaw.com/articles/ap/o/632/05-09-2005/c8c5000aa5c5724b.html

I do not smoke. I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. Even someone smoking in a car in front of my car is annoying and irritating.


However, the fact that the gov't steps in to tell private business owners whether or not they can allow smoking on their property is wrong. While this law benefits me, I still think it's wrong.

............
The argument that the gov't shouldn't be able to tell private establisments how they can run their business is invalid. There are many laws and regulations that do just that - this is just another one.

are you serious??

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Turkey22
Waiting for this to come to MI. I think it's crazy that they have let smokers slowly kill all around them for so long. It would be one thing if they werent harming others. To me it's very similar to drunk driving. Both can cause deaths to others although the person may have done it many times and been "safe". You can do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home or out where you aren't harming anyone (Darwin awards for causing your own death though), but when it becomes a matter of public safety someone needs to step in.

Is the fact that businesses are PRIVATE PROPERTY lost on you?

You have fair warning if a business allows smoking and can make the choice to do business with them, or not. By passing this law, you are forcing private property owners to bend to your will and do business on your terms, not theirs.

Yeah, then when all the poorly paid waitresses with no insurance come down with lung cancer, YOU'LL have to foot the bill for their government assisted care.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jzero
Same as always - government overstepping its bounds. Some people will understand why this is bad, many people will not.

Yep, it all depends on who's bull is getting gored. Sadly, too many selfish people don't see what a dangerous violation of private property rights this is. Too many people consider a privately owned business to be "public property."

BTW, just to head this off at the pass: I do not smoke, nor do I like the smell of it.

I agree. People are too willing to accept something that is morally wrong like this law because it benefits them in some way. Even though I don't smoke, I think that a private property owner should be able to do whatever the fvck he wants with is business.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Gurck

But the public is not forced to go into that persons establishment. The electively decide to do so and within that decision decide to be exposed to smoke. Someone bought that building just like you bought your house, and now they are being told what they can and can't do inside it.

There's still a lot of uncertainty about secondhand smoke, with a lot of smokers and 'good ole boy' types thinking it's safe, and that people who don't like the smell are making a big fuss about it to legitimize legislation against smoking. Also, what about an establishment's employees?

Employment is a MUTUAL agreement. If you don't want to be exposed to smoke, don't work where it is allowed.

And, again, smoking is a legal activity. If you don't want to be exposed, don't enter private property that allows it.

Beer drinking is a legal activity as well but I can't walk through Walmart with a beer, can I? No, you can only drink in places where drinking is allowed. As of this law smoking is no longer legal in the establishments that fall under it. If smokers can't make it through a meal without smoking they should go somewhere that does allow it. It's that simple.

And an FYI to those who think the move is unpopular and just "the man" telling them what to do... The Florida ban on indoor smoking was passed by voters with over 70% supporting it. It would appear that public opinion is in favor of this type of law and restaurants in my area sure aren't suffering from it.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jzero
Same as always - government overstepping its bounds. Some people will understand why this is bad, many people will not.

Yep, it all depends on who's bull is getting gored. Sadly, too many selfish people don't see what a dangerous violation of private property rights this is. Too many people consider a privately owned business to be "public property."

BTW, just to head this off at the pass: I do not smoke, nor do I like the smell of it.

I agree. People are too willing to accept something that is morally wrong like this law because it benefits them in some way. Even though I don't smoke, I think that a private property owner should be able to do whatever the fvck he wants with is business.

I assume you mean whatever he wants as long as it isn't illegal.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Robor
It would appear that public opinion is in favor of this type of law and restaurants in my area sure aren't suffering from it.

Yes, most people, including you, have no idea why these kinds of laws are bad. I also once had the kneejerk response of "OOOH! I HATE smoking! This is awesome!"

But then I stopped and thought about it and realized that there is more to this than just cigarettes and what I as an individual desire in the short term.

In any case, ignorance is also an awful justification.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SampSon

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

You've heard of washing machines, right?

So someone can throw whatever they want on your clothes/skin/hair as long as it washes out?

I remember when I used to come home from playing pool or having a few brews with the guys at places that allowed smoking. I'd take my clothes off in the garage and leave them there and shower before bed. Just because you don't mind stinking like smoke doesn't mean everyone is cool with it.

 

[Fritzo]

And an FYI to those who think the move is unpopular and just "the man" telling them what to do... The Florida ban on indoor smoking was passed by voters with over 70% supporting it. It would appear that public opinion is in favor of this type of law and restaurants in my area sure aren't suffering from it.

We had similar numbers here.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

Funny, the same studies done here in ny state show a dramatic decrease in business volume. Many bars/restaurants have had to close up shop because of decreased business.

Link?

The places I frequent were busy before the ban and they're still on long waits after the ban.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

Smoking provides something that can be held as a positive quality for the consumer. Your three examples, or four if you include the wiping dirt on anothers clothing, do not. It's that simple.

Only for the person consuming it. I could consume a thousand Burritos and then spend the rest of my days grunting at your table. The burrito's had a positive effect on me by satisfying my need for calories, but for you, you get the stink.

How's that?

your anologies, and your point, suck for the simple fact that be it smoke, or your "sh!t stink machine" i always have the option to move away from the offending odor. who says you must stand by the smoker if you think it stinks?

No...it's a good anology. When you're in a crowded place, where are you going to go to get away from it? If several people are doing it, you'd have to leave, so it comes down to tolerating the stench and the health risks or leaving.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

Funny, the same studies done here in ny state show a dramatic decrease in business volume. Many bars/restaurants have had to close up shop because of decreased business.

Link?

The places I frequent were busy before the ban and they're still on long waits after the ban.

You are missing the point. It's not about WHAT is being banned, it's about the fact that the gov't is stepping in to tell PRIVATE business owners how to run their business.

 

[desteffy]

Wow! thats great. I'm moving to GA at the end of summer, and I hate the smell of smoke. I can see why smokers would be upset though.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: armatron

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

Funny, the same studies done here in ny state show a dramatic decrease in business volume. Many bars/restaurants have had to close up shop because of decreased business.

Link?

The places I frequent were busy before the ban and they're still on long waits after the ban.

You are missing the point. It's not about WHAT is being banned, it's about the fact that the gov't is stepping in to tell PRIVATE business owners how to run their business.

You're right, and the gov't has been telling private individuals what to do for a very long time as well

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

You're right, and the gov't has been telling private individuals what to do for a very long time as well

Again....that's an awful excuse.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

You're right, and the gov't has been telling private individuals what to do for a very long time as well

Again....that's an awful excuse.

I didn't say that was an excuse, just a fact.

 

Originally posted by: armatron
You are missing the point. It's not about WHAT is being banned, it's about the fact that the gov't is stepping in to tell PRIVATE business owners how to run their business.

Yeah, and except for this ban, private businesses can do whatever they want, right?

:roll:

Government regulation has always been (and will always be) part of running a business. Do you think the Americans With Disabilities Act is unfair b/c it tells private business owners how to run their business (wheelchair ramps, accessible bathrooms, etc.)? Those types of things cost a LOT of money. But how is the ADA different from a smoking ban? Both laws tell business owners how to run their businesses.

Face it: this is a public health issue, and the government has the ability (and responsibility) to reasonably provide for the health and welfare of Americans. My view? If SMOKERS don't like the law, they can go somewhere else. No one is telling them where they have to spend their money.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

You're right, and the gov't has been telling private individuals what to do for a very long time as well

Again....that's an awful excuse.

I didn't say that was an excuse, just a fact.

A fact which you brought up to explain why you think this is OK. That's an excuse. I didn't say it wasn't true, just that it's an awful way to justify it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero


We left because you got fat, smoked and infringed our rights.

Your right to what? Force others to accommodate you?

At any rate, talking about infringed rights while living in the UK is a hoot. At least I can protect myself, my family and property without fear of prosecution. Oh, and my government doesn't fear me being armed.

Pathetic.

Sure. Freedom is pathetic. Tell that to the next armed thug that robs you there in London. Your violent and property crime rates are far higher than ours.

Compare apples with oranges. London != England. Is Detriot = America?

/counts amount of times robbed at gunpoint....

None.

:roll:

I meant nationwide numbers, genuis. The UK has a far higher violent and property crime rate than the US. And it all started down hill when you banned the right to self defense, and then nearly all guns.

Straying off topic here but I really doubt that simple gun ownership makes you that more protected against violent crime. Just because you own a gun doesn't mean you're protected. I have a 9mm in my nightstand next to my bed but it's not going to do me any good if I'm walking down the street or in my car. Even at home what if the person coming at you has a gun as well and has the advantage?

I will admit that it's nice to have protection when you hear something in the middle of the night that doesn't sound right. I feel a lot better getting out of bed and walking through my house with a gun than a bat or knife.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Robor
Beer drinking is a legal activity as well but I can't walk through Walmart with a beer, can I? No, you can only drink in places where drinking is allowed. As of this law smoking is no longer legal in the establishments that fall under it. If smokers can't make it through a meal without smoking they should go somewhere that does allow it. It's that simple.

And an FYI to those who think the move is unpopular and just "the man" telling them what to do... The Florida ban on indoor smoking was passed by voters with over 70% supporting it. It would appear that public opinion is in favor of this type of law and restaurants in my area sure aren't suffering from it.

I don't think I have ever seen a designated drinking area. About the only place it is illegal to drink is behind the wheel of a car..

WTF do you live?

 

[xirtam]

Originally posted by: desteffy
Wow! thats great. I'm moving to GA at the end of summer, and I hate the smell of smoke. I can see why smokers would be upset though.

I'm not a smoker. I dislike the smell of smoke. And I'm upset.

The government shouldn't be telling businesses what they can and can't allow in their restaurants. Illegal products shouldn't be allowed, obviously, but unless they're going to make smoking illegal in Georgia, it shouldn't be illegal to smoke in restaurants that allow smoking.

This is ridiculous. If you don't like a product, don't buy it. If you don't like going to smokey restaurants, don't go to them. It's not that hard.

 

[yourdeardaniel]

fvk i live in ga. anyone know when this law goes into affect? the gov't has to much involvement in private businesses and individuals lives. for those ppl that dont like being around others who smoke, then get ur ass outa there.