Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

[zinfamous]

Actually it wasn't. Post 2004 the big push was for owning a gun for self-defense, push for concealed carry. In 2003 only Vermont had concealed carry laws, now look how many have concealed carry laws with national concealed carry being talked about.

Gun purchases have skyrocketed during this time because there was constantly a "liberal taking all our guns" rhetoric being talked about that is only really happening in New York and California where high capacity magazines will be illegal to own as opposed to legal to own if you purchased them before their ban. Previous laws nobody would be made a criminal overnight, but increasingly there are laws that are being voted on and sometimes passed that criminalize current owners.

ah, so it's cool to ignore the first 2-3 decades included in those charts, when gun control was overwhelmingly popular among pubs and dems and gaining more and more traction making a real quantitative difference when it comes to crime and murder, and prior to the mid 70s when the NRA completely radicalized and changed the entire narrative from crime and murder to acceptable freedumb?

why are you ignoring the actual history of "liberals taking guns," and the actual results thereof, and focusing on the recent 10 year window after all of the substantial progress was made and the results more or less plateaued as a result of radicalized NRA Freedumbers working endlessly to rollback substantial progress in reducing gun murders?

 

[momeNt]

ah, so it's cool to ignore the first 2-3 decades included in those charts, when gun control was overwhelmingly popular among pubs and dems and gaining more and more traction making a real quantitative difference when it comes to crime and murder, and prior to the mid 70s when the NRA completely radicalized and changed the entire narrative from crime and murder to acceptable freedumb?

why are you ignoring the actual history of "liberals taking guns," and the actual results thereof, and focusing on the recent 10 year window after all of the substantial progress was made and the results more or less plateaued as a result of radicalized NRA Freedumbers working endlessly to rollback substantial progress in reducing gun murders?

Here are the previous 30 years.

What am I supposed to gather from that? I genuinely don't know.

 

[Guurn]

It's trivially easy to win an argument with an anti gun person. The problem is they don't like accept the foundation of those arguments. They then follow up their points with hyperbole. You can't convince someone who shuts their tragi and yells... but DANGER@!

 

[bshole]

Here are the previous 30 years.

What am I supposed to gather from that? I genuinely don't know.

Wasn't abortion legalized in 1972? In 1992, the babies would have been 20. Pretty compelling evidence for legalized abortion IMHO.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You are an emotional human being trying his hardest to be the logical one.

You've been repeating this over and over, regardless of how true it is. You've also evaded most of the actual conversation by simply retorting with 'you're just emotional and scared and that's why you own a gun'. You aren't even making an actual argument or debate here, just telling people what they are, and why they do things.

My statement regarding your stance is backed up by quotes from you. If this isn't how you actually feel, you need to clarify your stance and your statements, because you come across as simply someone who wants guns to disappear because you don't agree with the usage of a tiny minority of gun owners.

 

[SlowSpyder]

30000+ dead from smoking now, since the shooting. Carry on.

 

[momeNt]

Wasn't abortion legalized in 1972? In 1992, the babies would have been 20. Pretty compelling evidence for legalized abortion IMHO.

Better correlation lies with lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_....wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_and_crime_hypothesis

 

[JSt0rm]

You've been repeating this over and over, regardless of how true it is. You've also evaded most of the actual conversation by simply retorting with 'you're just emotional and scared and that's why you own a gun'. You aren't even making an actual argument or debate here, just telling people what they are, and why they do things.

My statement regarding your stance is backed up by quotes from you. If this isn't how you actually feel, you need to clarify your stance and your statements, because you come across as simply someone who wants guns to disappear because you don't agree with the usage of a tiny minority of gun owners.

I spelled my debate out for you in the first 2 or 3 posts. Then you started moving into fallacy arguments.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I spelled my debate out for you in the first 2 or 3 posts. Then you started moving into fallacy arguments.

And that argument was that policies should be dictated based on emotional grounds, not logical ones. Upon stating why that was a bad idea, you proceeded to insult your way through two pages of 'discussion'.

 

[JSt0rm]

And that argument was that policies should be dictated based on emotional grounds, not logical ones. Upon stating why that was a bad idea, you proceeded to insult your way through two pages of 'discussion'.

jesus christ. I broke down exactly why the pro gun side is the emotional side. You have nothing.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

jesus christ. I broke down exactly why the pro gun side is the emotional side. You have nothing.

No, you STATED that 'gun people are this way' with zero evidence to back it up, that's not an reasoned, logical argument; you've just been painting the other side with the biggest brush you can possibly find.

 

[Bird222]

Here are the previous 30 years.

What am I supposed to gather from that? I genuinely don't know.

Boy we better get rid of those 6-shooters they are a real problem.

 

[JSt0rm]

No, you STATED that 'gun people are this way' with zero evidence to back it up, that's not an reasoned, logical argument; you've just been painting the other side with the biggest brush you can possibly find.

there is tons of evidence to back up that guns make you less safe. Your argument is horrible.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

there is tons of evidence to back up that guns make you less safe. Your argument is horrible.

Quit being evasive. Your statement throughout the last two pages has not been that guns make you less safe, it's that gun owners are irrational cowards because $reasons. The safety argument was, at best, a secondary talking point of yours which dissolved immediately upon being told that not every gun owner buys guns for safety reasons, another point you evaded/refused to address.

 

[JSt0rm]

Quit being evasive. Your statement throughout the last two pages has not been that guns make you less safe, it's that gun owners are irrational cowards because $reasons. The safety argument was, at best, a secondary talking point of yours which dissolved immediately upon being told that not every gun owner buys guns for safety reasons, another point you evaded/refused to address.

God damn you are dumb. Gun owners are irrational cowards because guns dont make you more safe. Thats the whole point.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

God damn you are dumb. Gun owners are irrational cowards because guns dont make you more safe. Thats the whole point.

Are you even capable of having a discussion without it collapsing into insults?

You're generalizing, to a massive degree, you're not even arguing a point, you're just broad-stroking an entire group you do not personally agree with.

 

[JSt0rm]

Are you even capable of having a discussion without it collapsing into insults?

You're generalizing, to a massive degree, you're not even arguing a point, you're just broad-stroking an entire group you do not personally agree with.

Im generalizing because you need to look at all gun owners to find the risks of having a gun.

I've never once said anything about removing guns. You guys are retarded. Its over. The bad guys won. Guns are everywhere and people will die, a lot. Just dont try to say you are safer because you have a gun. Its stupid.

 

[brycejones]

It's trivially easy to win an argument with an anti gun person. The problem is they don't like accept the foundation of those arguments. They then follow up their points with hyperbole. You can't convince someone who shuts their tragi and yells... but DANGER@!

So much projection......wade through the entire thread.

 

[brycejones]

30000+ dead from smoking now, since the shooting. Carry on.

Yet still doesn't care enough to start a thread about it. Troll on.

 

[Jhhnn]

Im generalizing because you need to look at all gun owners to find the risks of having a gun.

I've never once said anything about removing guns. You guys are retarded. Its over. The bad guys won. Guns are everywhere and people will die, a lot. Just dont try to say you are safer because you have a gun. Its stupid.

Well, yeh, but the "Fuck your feelings" crowd just feels safer owning guns. But you're the one being emotional, not them. Go figure.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oddly relevant today. FBI report on Adam Lanza

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/us/sandy-hook-adam-lanza-unsealed-docs/index.html

Can we all just agree there shouldn't have been access to gun(s) in this home.
That's not saying she couldn't own a gun & store it at a gun range.

 

[JSt0rm]

Well, yeh, but the "Fuck your feelings" crowd just feels safer owning guns. But you're the one being emotional, not them. Go figure.

and they use the word feel. Over and over again to describe it. And then say others are emotional. So so dumb.

 

[JSt0rm]

Oddly relevant today. FBI report on Adam Lanza

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/us/sandy-hook-adam-lanza-unsealed-docs/index.html

Can we all just agree there shouldn't have been access to gun(s) in this home.
That's not saying she couldn't own a gun & store it at a gun range.

naw. We must water the tree of liberty with innocent blood. The only way.

 

[pmv]

It's trivially easy to win an argument with an anti gun person. The problem is they don't like accept the foundation of those arguments. They then follow up their points with hyperbole. You can't convince someone who shuts their tragi and yells... but DANGER@!

Well, yes, because pro-gun people simply don't listen to what the other side say, or at least are unable to process it, so in their minds they always 'win'. See SlowSpyder's obsessive reposting of an argument that has already been rebutted.

 

[pmv]

Boy we better get rid of those 6-shooters they are a real problem.

Why six-shooters specifically? It's true though, as the graph makes clear, handguns are the bigger problem for overall homicides (mass killings might be different).