Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

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momeNt

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Jhhnn said:
Your video mowron obviously can't sustain the rate of fire exhibited in LV. How can I tell he's a mowron? When the cameraman asks "what's that?" about a beaver swimming by the guy shoots at it...
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Does it make you feel better to think you'll be safer with bump stocks banned?
 
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Ah, the CDC is wrong because an article that happens to fall on the side of your opinion says so. Must be the case then. Deny, deflect, don't listen if you don't like the official numbers, eh?
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Did you not see the large amount of empirical research linked in that article? Yes, my argument is that the official numbers are inflated based on the research available. If you have contrary research that you believe indicates those numbers are accurate please supply it.

Here are some stats too:
An analysis of five years’ worth of statistic collected by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey puts the number of citizens who prevent crimes by using guns much lower than 2.5 million -- about 67,740 times a year, according to a Los Angeles Times report.
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As already linked, a large percentage of those 'preventative gun uses' are actually crimes in and of themselves, haha.

According to Department of Justice’s Bureau of Statistics, as gun ownership has increased, gun-related homicides have dropped.

U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased 69 percent, the DOJ found.

http://www.wyff4.com/article/how-often-are-guns-used-to-stop-crimes/10033021

When weighed against other rights, guns already do less harm and far more good for soceity than other things you simply don't care about limiting that kill us. Your agenda is see through and based on propaganda, not about saving lives.
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The total NUMBER of guns has increased, but the number of individual people owning guns DECREASED from about 50% to about 36% over that time period as per the GSS. You are inadvertently proving my point for me. As the percentage of people with guns declined the gun related homicide rate has declined.

My agenda is entirely evidence based while yours relies on emotion and cherry picking data. You need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and look at the evidence available. It clearly indicates gun ownership is a risk factor for homicide and suicide. This is an empirically established relationship. You can either refute that with empirical research of your own or accept it, assuming you are trying to argue logically. Since it is clear you are emotionally invested in this issue I suspect you will do neither.

Handguns are involved in more deaths than long guns, by far (as I pointed out long guns aren't far off from pen caps). That doesn't mean they need more regulation, though, I never said that, you are being outright dishonest.
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If the regulatory response for the two is no different then there's no reason to separate the two for the purposes of discussion. Glad we don't have to do that anymore.
 
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What is the failure rate of a rubber band vs a machined bump stock?
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I guess we will find out next year for the next massacre. Bump stocks are made out of plastic, they are most likely molded.

Honestly, I think you can make your own bump stock just by filing off a couple of the detents of the 6 position telescoping stock....

These laws are giving people a false sense of security. It will make the country no safer.
 
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momeNt said:
I guess we will find out next year for the next massacre. Bump stocks are made out of plastic, they are most likely molded.

Honestly, I think you can make your own bump stock just by filing off a couple of the detents of the 6 position telescoping stock....

These laws are giving people a false sense of security. It will make the country no safer.
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Right but statistically any gun control laws will make the general public safer. If we can do some significant buy backs we can remove a lot of guns from the population. We just need the will.
 
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How an you be so dumb to make a statement like this? This isnt single orchid olive oil you dim wit.
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Really, this is your reply? I own a couple of shotguns and a couple long guns. I'm hardly a gun nut. But I am for logic and common sense.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-u-k-and-eu-further-restrict-tobacco-industry

And you anti-2A'ers say we've done all we can do for tobacco and accept nearly half a million deaths from it while beating your chests over a comparative drop in the bucket that are gun deaths. I bet a lot of you are the same ones that want single payer / government supplied medical care. Wonder which one would cost us more, guns or tobacco...

You don't care about saving lives. The anti-2A arguments are little more than emotion and propaganda. Average Americans see through this, repeatedly.
 
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momeNt said:
You are delusional.
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How is it delusional? If you stop access to a thing you will be safer from that thing. Even if someone 3d prints one you remove the chances from all the people who wont take that step.
 
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JSt0rm said:
Right but statistically any gun control laws will make the general public safer. If we can do some significant buy backs we can remove a lot of guns from the population. We just need the will.
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Gun crime since 1934 has risen dramatically. That was when tax stamping was brought to full auto weapons, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and suppressors. I think any one of us would immediately go back to 1934 levels of gun violence in this country if given the chance.
 
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SlowSpyder said:
And you anti-2A'ers say we've done all we can do for tobacco and accept nearly half a million deaths from it while beating your chests over a comparative drop in the bucket that are gun deaths. I bet a lot of you are the same ones that want single payer / government supplied medical care. Wonder which one would cost us more, guns or tobacco...
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People have the free choice to smoke retard. People dont have free choice to have hot lead destroy their bone and flesh.
 
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momeNt said:
Gun crime since 1934 has risen dramatically. That was when tax stamping was brought to full auto weapons, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and suppressors. I think any one of us would immediately go back to 1934 levels of gun violence in this country if given the chance.
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lets go back to 1934 levels of population and 1934 levels of guns in the economy.
 
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SlowSpyder said:
Lame. I barely own any guns, they're tucked away nicely in my basement gun safe. I don't own any handguns. I'm just logical, not an emotional scared type.
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Derp, I don't care what guns you own. Your behavior and admission of trolling speaks for itself. You are incapable of having a meaningful debate on this subject.
 
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momeNt

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JSt0rm said:
lets go back to 1934 levels of population and 1934 levels of guns in the economy.
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I know in 1950, there were more gunowners per capita than today. The total number of guns has gone up per person, but it has been concentrated into just enthusiast gun owners.

I do not know what 1930 levels of gun ownership was, but it probably was still greater than today.

So that leaves us mostly with just your statement on population. Can you clarify what you mean by population causing a firearm violence problem?
 
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momeNt said:
So that leaves us mostly with just your statement on population. Can you clarify what you mean by population causing a firearm violence problem?
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I didnt say population causes gun violence. But when you mix more people into the batter you will get more violence. Mix more guns into that and you get more gun violence.
 
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JSt0rm said:
People have the free choice to smoke retard. People dont have free choice to have hot lead destroy their bone and flesh.
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That doesn't matter when looking at tax payer paid health care. The cost is there regardless. Months to years long treatment regularly for hundreds of thousands to millions of people with tobacco-related illness, all treatment paid for by the government and our taxes. Many of those here just happen to be the same ones that want single payer / government health care (but they're not partisans... lol). And this is just one more angle their hypocrisy shines through. You hold guns to a completely unfair standard.
 
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Only an American could say 'I barely own any guns'. And then follow it up up with 'a couple of shotguns and a couple of long guns'. What a weird country.
 
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SlowSpyder said:
That doesn't matter when looking at tax payer paid health care. The cost is there regardless. Months to years long treatment regularly for hundreds of thousands to millions of people with tobacco-related illness, all treatment paid for by the government and our taxes. Many of those here just happen to be the same ones that want single payer / government health care (but they're not partisans... lol). And this is just one more angle their hypocrisy shines through. You hold guns to a completely unfair standard.
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wtf are you talking about?
 
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Not really. Will you sleep better with one? Will it make your manly macho putter flutter?
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Absolutely not. There is no reason to have one equipped on a rifle while you are asleep. You cannot use them in high stress fast reaction situations nearly as well as a traditional telescoping stock / pistol grip. They should only be equipped for sporting purposes to enjoy a high rate of fire.

The AR platform was not designed around full automatic fire and as such is best used in both defensive and assault purposes in semi-automatic or burst fire mode. The sooner people realize this the safer we all will be.
 
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momeNt said:
Absolutely not. There is no reason to have one equipped on a rifle while you are asleep. You cannot use them in high stress fast reaction situations nearly as well as a traditional telescoping stock / pistol grip. They should only be equipped for sporting purposes to enjoy a high rate of fire.

The AR platform was not designed around full automatic fire and as such is best used in both defensive and assault purposes in semi-automatic or burst fire mode. The sooner people realize this the safer we all will be.
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So it's just for the putter fluttering? Good to know. Does it help you squirt?
 
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