Kurt Cobain was a worthless junkie: discuss in this thread

[Don Vito Corleone]

I honestly think there is something wrong with anyone who would enter a thread like this one just to spout a bunch of sanctimonious hatred toward a person who obviously inspired a lot of emotion in millions of people. I was not a Nirvana fan during Cobain's life, but the more I heard, the more I regretted not giving them a chance. I think the Unplugged album is one of the most striking, stirring works of rock music in the last 10 years. The fact that he was a tortured soul no doubt led to his premature death, but also inspired some amazingly passionate music.

I am not going to single out any names, but some people here are apparently brimming over with anger and lacking in social skills. Anyone who would boast about high-fiving at another person's death is a sad soul indeed.

 

[Passions]

I do not miss Kurt Cobain one iota, and I do not feel any sympathy for a rich, healthy, talented man who stuffs himself with booze and dope and then blows his head off leaving his young daughter fatherless.

First, Kurt Cobain was never rich. He grew up in a broken family, and he would often sleep in his van while growing up. When Nirvana got famous, he never became pompous or glutted his wealth either. Heck, he still didn't even shower. Courtney Love jacked all his money. He wasn't healthy either. He did drugs most of his life. And he didn't kill himself. Francis Bean was the best thing that ever happened to him, read his journals or description of how he took care of her. What I'm trying to say is that, he was troubled ever since he was little, he never had a "normal" life. That doesn't give any excuse to do drugs, but you should sympathize just for a moment with people like that. Especially, a person who conveyed his pain through music so well. That's all.

 

[BuckleDownBen]

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<< "Electric Amish - Teaching the public how to be a pompous ass." >>



Nah.. just pushing the buttons of idiots that can't tell the diference from the real world and this Circus Called ATOT >>



You don't think Amish really high-fived his coworker? What does that have to do with ATOT? It really doesn't matter who Kurt Cobain was, how he died, or how he lived his life. How can anyone sit in judgement on another person's life and decide the world is better off without him? I wonder what we would find if we dug into Amish's history. I doubt he contributed a tiny fraction of what Kurt Conbain contributed.

 

[Red Dawn]

You guys are funny.



<< doubt he contributed a tiny fraction of what Kurt Conbain contributed. >>




Cobain was a Pathetic Individual. Anybody that would blow his brains out doesn't deserve any pity and shouldn't be held in reverence. He took the chickensh!t way out and left others to clean up his fscking mess (and I'm not talking about his brains splattered on the wall.) The biggest shame of it all was that he made a mess out of a good paint job.

 

[Geekbabe]

<< You guys are funny.



<< doubt he contributed a tiny fraction of what Kurt Conbain contributed. >>




Cobain was a Pathetic Individual. Anybody that would blow his brains out doesn't deserve any pity and shouldn't be held in reverence. He took the chickensh!t way out and left others to clean up his fscking mess (and I'm not talking about his brains splattered on the wall.) The biggest shame of it all was that he made a mess out of a good paint job. >>




Actually the biggest shame of it all was the he left a child behind, poor kid she'll get to deal with that for all her life

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Actually the biggest shame of it all was the he left a child behind, poor kid she'll get to deal with that for all her life >>

Courtney Love is the Mother? Poor child!

 

[Nefrodite]

in the end he was a coward. thats about it

woe is me...poor me... rich successful spoiled brat, but poor me. food on my plate, roof over my head, no genocide or war or desease. ..but poor me. i have a kid, poor me. i make money singing about poor me... poor me.


he can go to hell for all i care.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< in the end he was a coward. thats about it >>

The weakest of the weak

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

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<< in the end he was a coward. thats about it >>

The weakest of the weak >>



Ever had a family member commit suicide? I have. Probably a weak act, but he was quite loony. On balance I still care about him. I definitely take issue with how judgmental you guys are all being on the subject. I know you are all too busy clapping yourselves on the back to care much, though. Perhaps one day you will have to think a little more critically on the subject, but hopefully not . . .

 

[Red Dawn]

<< I definitely take issue with how judgmental you guys are all being on the subject. >>

Well I'm sorry if you've lost someone close to you due to suicide. That said, passing judgement on those who kill themselves is the sole domain of those who choose life.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

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<< I definitely take issue with how judgmental you guys are all being on the subject. >>

Well I'm sorry if you've lost someone close to you due to suicide. That said, passing judgement on those who kill themselves is the sole domain of those who choose life. >>



"Sole domain"? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Do you mean that only the living have the right to judge the dead, or what? That seems self-evident, as presumably the living (even REAL losers!) are the only ones judging anything or anyone. By that same token, passing judgment on the living is the "sole domain of those who choose life" as well. So is judging beauty queens, people accused of crimes, or used cars for that matter. An imprisoned serial pedophile has the right (or at least the ability) to judge whatever he pleases, whereas Shakespeare is no longer judging anything at all. Am I missing something or is that really what you meant?

 

[Red Dawn]

<< "Sole domain"? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. >>



Yes you do.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

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<< "Sole domain"? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. >>



Yes you do. >>



No, I honestly don't. It seems the only alternative to what I posited above is that you are saying that the sole thing the living can judge is people who commit suicide, and that can't be it. Can it? Because that would make even less sense.

I generally like and respect your posts, but this one seems almost completely meaningless and banal, even though it relates to a topic of some weight. Unless I am missing something . . .

 

[flavio]

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<< in the end he was a coward. thats about it >>

The weakest of the weak >>




There's a damn good chance that Courtney killed him.


You should change the title of this thread to "Amish is a worthless tard: discuss in this thread"

 

[Nefrodite]

There's a damn good chance that Courtney killed him.

how so?


and as for the sole domain bit, it IS the sole domain of those that choose life to judge those that chose to take their own. which is not to say that those who choose life have never contemplated suicide.


in the end there are so many others who have or are suffering far worse then cobain to feel sorry for him. this is a special case since he seems to have fans which still worship him.

 

[flavio]

<< how so? >>




Well here check this out and this too.


Or search Google for Courtney killed Kurt.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< I generally like and respect your posts, but this one seems almost completely meaningless and banal, even though it relates to a topic of some weight. Unless I am missing something . . >>

Well it's probably me as I'm about ready to fall asleep.




<< You should change the title of this thread to "Amish is a worthless tard: discuss in this thread" >>

He's about as far from being a worthless tard as anybody in this Forum. I hate to speak in his place but what I know about him is that he faced and faces crap that makes Cobains sh!t reek. Compared to EA Cobain was definately a weak puke. EA might not play Guitar and write about Teen angst but he busts his ass to make the best with what life has handed him and deals with stuff that even a strong person would consider giving up on. You guys should have half the cajones he has.

 

[Nefrodite]

lol, thats why rockers should always marry brainless bimbos. pure genius was required to pull off this perfect murder.


seriously...there are also sites that claim the moon landing was a hoax.

 

[flavio]

Well Red he's not getting any respect from me giving high-fives to celebrate someones death.


...and Cobain may not have been a weak puke if he was offed by Courtney.

 

[JMaster]

Cobain wrote a couple of cool songs. Some say he changed modern rock. I don't think so. There were many other 3 bar-chord bands (mostly punk) around and even before Nirvana. He wasted his life on booze and drugs and eventually w/suicide. Nothing special.

 

[flavio]

<< Some say he changed modern rock. I don't think so. There were many other 3 bar-chord bands (mostly punk) around and even before Nirvana. >>



I think maybe they were talking about grunge music.

 

[weezergirl]

Ok, you can have your opinion about the kind of person kurt cobain is. you can even consider him weak for committing suicide. whatevers.

but really, this topic isn't about that. this topic is about remembering his influence on young minds concerning his MUSIC. For me, I could really care less that he did drugs, but his music opened the door for me to a new kind of music. When I was young and dind't know better I was seriously listening to New Kids on the Block (laugh all you want ) and stuff like that. Anyways, we're not on here trying to say Kurt Cobain is the role model for our generation and that we respect him for all the decisions he made in life. No, we're just appreciating the music he left behind though you may not, but who really is the end all be all of what music is GOOD. certianly noone on this forum and if you think so, you have issues. all i'm saying and a lot of people on this board is that in some way nirvana's music has changed us, or uplifted us in some way. and if you don't understand how nirvana can do that, then just think of your favorite band or favorite song. people just have different opinions, who are you to say what effect nirvana has on anyone when you dodn't even like them?

Also, sure you can think Kurt Cobain is better off dead and I can also think some of these people in this thread are better off dead. (not that i would because i'm not as heartless as some folks in this thread). But for all of you bashing Kurt Cobain, what kind of life have you lead? How have you affected people? How have you made somebody else's life better? No, you just spend about 80% of your time on message boards throwing insults at people who don't think the same way you do. Sometimes you may throw out a funny comment, and people laugh and think you are so witty and it makes you feel good but really, the people who spend all their time putting down other people just do it because it makes them feel better. If that's how you get your kicks. so be it, but don't tell people to "get a life" when obviously you, yourself dont' have one either.

In other words, why don't some of u guys look at yourself in the mirror before judging others. You may see that you yourself aren't as perfect or in a place to be putting down others. now can we please go back to talking about the music?

 

[weezergirl]

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<< You should change the title of this thread to "Amish is a worthless tard: discuss in this thread" >>

He's about as far from being a worthless tard as anybody in this Forum. I hate to speak in his place but what I know about him is that he faced and faces crap that makes Cobains sh!t reek. Compared to EA Cobain was definately a weak puke. EA might not play Guitar and write about Teen angst but he busts his ass to make the best with what life has handed him and deals with stuff that even a strong person would consider giving up on. You guys should have half the cajones he has. >>



You know red dawn, if he had been through all that crap and actually wasn't some bitter @sshole then maybe i could have an ounce of respect for him. I dont' expect him to like nirvana or even respect them, but he doesn't have to come in here and troll. What's the point of that? I dont' get it, and I don't understand why you are defending him.

 

[Gaard]

<< << You should change the title of this thread to "Amish is a worthless tard: discuss in this thread" >>

He's about as far from being a worthless tard as anybody in this Forum. I hate to speak in his place but what I know about him is that he faced and faces crap that makes Cobains sh!t reek. Compared to EA Cobain was definately a weak puke. EA might not play Guitar and write about Teen angst but he busts his ass to make the best with what life has handed him and deals with stuff that even a strong person would consider giving up on. You guys should have half the cajones he has. >>



As I see it, there's two possibilities for EA's conduct in this thread
1)He's a heartless bastage...or
2)He's a button pusher

As far as I'm concerned, any respect that's due to him because of any hardships that Red is privvy to gets negated for either possibility.

If he's just a heartless thug who came in here to spew crap in a thread started to remember someone in a positive manner, that's sad. Maybe all of his hardships caused him to be so heartless. If that's the case, he gets my pity not my respect.

If he's just a button pusher who came in here to play on people's emotions (not too unlike FFMCobalt's conduct in the strip club thread from a month ago) then he gets my contempt not my respect.

 

[Nefrodite]

or he rightly thinks that cobain doesn't deserve respect for how he lived his life. respecting a persons talent can be separate from respect for how a person conducts himself. a guy can have talent but still be a total dick. ea's just saying cobain was a total dick and is getting more respect then he deserves.