Kurt Cobain was a worthless junkie: discuss in this thread

[Gaard]

<< or he rightly thinks that cobain doesn't deserve respect for how he lived his life. respecting a persons talent can be separate from respect for how a person conducts himself. a guy can have talent but still be a total dick. ea's just saying cobain was a total dick and is getting more respect then he deserves. >>



"That guy's a dick...he does drugs. What? He died? Alright!! Gimme Five!!!!"

 

[Nefrodite]

i'm guessing that english is your second language. your posts are a little confusing you know.


"That guy's a dick...he does drugs. What? He died? Alright!! Gimme Five!!!!"

???? he didn't die by being murdered, he killed himself. yes we pitty anyone that kills themself, but many are in far worse situations then him. perhaps deserving far more pity then him. many live with probably far greater sorrow then him.

 

[flavio]

Gaard's posts seem fairly straightforward.



<< many are in far worse situations then him. perhaps deserving far more pity then him. many live with probably far greater sorrow then him >>



That's no reason to celebrate someone dying. Besides, like I posted before you can't say 100% that Cobain wasn't murdered.



<< ea's just saying cobain was a total dick >>



So why was he a dick?

 

[Nemesis77]

I have never cared much for Kurt Cobain or Nirvana. I disliked the music, I never managed to understand what caused it to be so popular. And Cobain didn't seem to be much of a singer. and the fact that he used drugs just shows that he was a loser. Of course, everyone is free to like whatever music they wish.

Honestly, he did look like a prime candidate for a Darwin-award. i'm not at all surprised that he killed himself/was killed.

EDIT: typo

 

[Nefrodite]

you can't say for 100% that he wasn't kidnapped by aliens who faked an accident scene to cover up his dissaperance either.

you can't say for 100% that he wasn't just a sicko or pediphile.

so don't go down that road.


as for celebration, no ones celebrating. just pointing out that perhaps he's undeserving of such adulation.


So why was he a dick?

perhaps for leading an excessive lifestlyle that contributed to his death for one.

 

[woodly6]

Completely on the intended subject of the thread...

I was sitting at home reading Bulliten Boards on Prodigy Online, when I read that they found Kurt Cobain dead in his green house as result of an apparent suicide. I remember exactky what I was feeling, what song I had playing on the stereo (Beck - Loser), I can not even listen to that song anymore without thinking about that day. It was a sad day for me, I loved his music however simplistic people may see it as. Music affects people in different ways. I draw great emotion from music of all kinds, some for agression, some for relaxing and some for other reasons to difficult to explain. The song that Nirvana performed on Unplugged, Where Did You Sleep Last originally by Ledbetter, will put a knot in my throat. I can not beleive it has been 8 years, that shocked me...I am at a loss for words.

Some of the stuff I still have saved from when he died.




Thank You Kurt, you meant something to some people, including me.

 

[Gaard]

<< i'm guessing that english is your second language. your posts are a little confusing you know.


"That guy's a dick...he does drugs. What? He died? Alright!! Gimme Five!!!!"

???? he didn't die by being murdered, he killed himself. yes we pitty anyone that kills themself, but many are in far worse situations then him. perhaps deserving far more pity then him. many live with probably far greater sorrow then him. >>


Now I'm confused...where did I say anything about murder?




<< as for celebration, no ones celebrating. >>


Did you even read the thread?

How do you define celebrating?... High-fiving someone? Shouting "Best Day Ever!"?

 

[AzNmAnJLH]

Sheep One: Dude has it been 8 yrs dude?
Sheep Two: Dude it has been *counts his fingers * 1,2,3....8... dang dude it's been 8 yrs!
Sheep One: I remember that day vividly... dude
Sheep Two: Me too dude
Sheep One: If it wasn't for Kurt we wouldn't be working at 7 eleven dude
Sheep Two: Right on dude! I remember banging my head and reminising about suicide when he passed on
Sheep One: You too dude? Dude I thought the same thing Dude good thing we didn't otherwise we wouldn't have a job at 7 Eleven

 

[flavio]

<< you can't say for 100% that he wasn't kidnapped by aliens who faked an accident scene to cover up his dissaperance either.

you can't say for 100% that he wasn't just a sicko or pediphile.

so don't go down that road. >>



I go down that road because there is a substantial amount of evidence pointing to the idea that he might have been murdered, there is no evidence pointing to aliens so it really has nothing to do with this.






<< as for celebration, no ones celebrating. just pointing out that perhaps he's undeserving of such adulation. >>



The celebrating I was referring to was the high-fives...call it whatever you want.


So why was he a dick?



<< perhaps for leading an excessive lifestlyle that contributed to his death for one. >>



Most rock stars lead excessive lifestyles, are they all dicks?

 

[Nefrodite]

Now I'm confused...where did I say anything about murder?


tad egocentric aren't we, i was responding to flavio.



Did you even read the thread? How do you define celebrating?... High-fiving someone? Shouting "Best Day Ever!"?

heard of sarcasm?

oh look, i can roll my eyes too!

 

[Nefrodite]

I go down that road because there is a substantial amount of evidence pointing to the idea that he might have been murdered, there is no evidence pointing to aliens so it really has nothing to do with this.

oh my Mr forensics expert!, i trust you.... not. you dont' have any evidence that there is no evidence.


Most rock stars lead excessive lifestyles, are they all dicks?

most don't kill themselves. and compared to a great many other people, yes certain cases could also be considered dicks.

 

[Gaard]

<< Did you even read the thread? How do you define celebrating?... High-fiving someone? Shouting "Best Day Ever!"?

heard of sarcasm?

oh look, i can roll my eyes too! >>



Confusion sets in again. What exactly are you saying?

 

[flavio]

<< oh my Mr forensics expert!, i trust you.... not. you dont' have any evidence that there is no evidence. >>




Heh....forensics expert? I made no claims of my own, I'm just referring to the evidence that has been presented on the Discovery Channel and some publications that there is a possibility he was murdered. While there may be evidence of other possibilities, nobody has presented them as far as I know.

Normally leading an excessive lifestyle usually doesn't make you a dick....

 

[Nefrodite]

Heh....forensics expert? I made no claims of my own, I'm just referring to the evidence that has been presented on the Discovery Channel and some publications that there is a possibility he was murdered. While there may be evidence of other possibilities, nobody has presented them as far as I know.


apparently you have no thoughts of your own then. conspiracy theories are nothing to rely on. the disovery channel is not the voice of truth and reason.




Normally leading an excessive lifestyle usually doesn't make you a dick....

as i said it depends on what you compare the person to, and how excessive.


as i said, you can respect the works of a man, and still dislike the man.

 

[flavio]

<< apparently you have no thoughts of your own then. conspiracy theories are nothing to rely on. the disovery channel is not the voice of truth and reason >>



Since I didn't know either of them, wasn't involved, and didn't get to inspect the scene....my thoughts aren't as important as the evidence presented by people with a connection to the case. And just because you discount it as a conspiracy theory doesn't make you the voice of truth and reason. Why don't give some thoughts of your own on why you think it is impossible for him to have been murdered.



<< as i said, you can respect the works of a man, and still dislike the man. >>



I agree with that.

 

[SirFshAlot]

Nirvana opened the door for me to bands like Pearl Jam, then Stone Temple Pilots, then, one of my favorites still; Soundgarden.

I was very upset to hear the news of Kurt Cobain's death.
I felt saddened by it, knowing that he was going through a very painful existance, and was never to resolve it in a healthy way.
I soon afterwards discarded all my Nirvana CD's.


Whether it was suicide or murder, who here knows?

Are you a sheep of the media?

I stand on the side of claiming "I don't know".


John Bonham of Zeppelin died as a result of his drinking. Did he kill himself by choosing a self-destructive behavior? Does that automatically make him a worthless junkie, too?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

<< and as for the sole domain bit, it IS the sole domain of those that choose life to judge those that chose to take their own. which is not to say that those who choose life have never contemplated suicide. >>



That does not change the fact that, as far as I can see, this "sole domain" comment is pretty much completely meaningless, unless, once again, I am missing something. Isn't judging anything the "sole domain of those that choose life"? Last time I checked the dead were not judging anything. I do not mean to be dense but this still seems like a completely pointless piece of commentary.

 

[mithrandir2001]

Kurt Cobain was far from worthless. The way his life ended was horrible.

Cobain may have been a heroin addict, but that doesn't make him evil or a disposable person. Heroin is extremely addictive and being chemically addicted is not necessarily a sign of character weakness. Kurt just never found the help he needed.

Cobain was a very talented songwriter, something that tends to get forgotten in the menagerie. Yes, Nirvana is credited with bringing alternative music to the forefront, but they didn't do it all by themselves (Sonic Youth? Husker Du? REM? Dinosaur Jr.? The Replacements?). Kurt's legacy is his music and when I listen to my Mobile Fidelity 24K version of Nevermind, I still find it bone-crushingly powerful even after all these years and countless playings. Nirvana's music wasn't all about rage and searing guitars. Sure, In Utero was rather caustic but Kurt had textural range in his compositions and he expressed a genuine appreciation of pop music. He gets placed in the same category with Stevie Ray Vaughn as a late musician who departed before he hit his musical peak.

 

[WA261]

Nirvana sucked ass....

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

<< Nirvana sucked ass.... >>



Another insightful piece of commentary - thanks for your input!

 

[Red Dawn]

<< know red dawn, if he had been through all that crap and actually wasn't some bitter @sshole then maybe i could have an ounce of respect for him. I dont' expect him to like nirvana or even respect them, but he doesn't have to come in here and troll. What's the point of that? I dont' get it, and I don't understand why you are defending him.
>>



I'm going to depart from my usual answer and not suggest you get a life since you seemed ernest with your question. The reason I defended him is because I happen to like him. I also could care less what he thinks about Nirvana, Cobain or the circumstances regarding his death. In fact I'm amazeds that any of you would even care. If you think he's a bitter individual or a troll then so be it, just go about your business instead of making such a ridiculous issue out of it.

Regarding Cobain, to me he's just another Dude with talent who burned out before his time. It's not as if Cobain's situation is unique, either as a celebrity or a young man with drugs problems. As far as real tragedy's are concerned , the 2800+ lives lost in the 9/11 WTC attack or those lost defending America's freedom ranks much much higher than Cobain blowing his brains out. In fact, compared to those tragedies his departure from the the realm of the living barely registers.

But that's just my opinion, feel free to make a big deal out of nothing (again my opinion)

 

[Kev]

<< How about Frank Zappa's cancerous left testicles? >>

I just found a recording of laughter from when these jokes were still funny...how much could I get for that?

 

[Red Dawn]

<< just found a recording of laughter from when these jokes were still funny...how much could I get for that? >>

You know who would find that funny? Frank Zappa himself. I could only imagine what kind of song he'd write about Curt Cobain, I'm pretty sure most of you would be offended.

 

[WA261]

<< Another insightful piece of commentary - thanks for your input! >>




no problem

 

[Geekbabe]

<<

<< just found a recording of laughter from when these jokes were still funny...how much could I get for that? >>

You know who would find that funny? Frank Zappa himself. I could only imagine what kind of song he'd write about Curt Cobain, I'm pretty sure most of you would be offended. >>




lol, yeah but I bet it would be entertaining listening, Zappa was pure genius !