Kramer (aka Michael Richards) is done for sure now

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Don66
The man made remarks he's said sorry..Who cares!

The guys heckling him were also making racial slurs, I don't see anyone upset about that.

You'd be upset too if you were black. Sorry is just a convenient word that may or may not be genuine. I'm willing to bet that he apologized because he wanted to save his career, not because he gave a damn about the African-Americans. Instead of seeing it from your point of view. Try to see it from that of the victims.

I'm black. I don't care. The whole incident amuses me.

Same here. I'm black, but it doesn't really get under my skin that much. It has NO BEARING WHATSOVER on my thoughts of his as a comedic actor in Seinfeld. I loved him in Seinfeld and will ALWAYS love him as Kramer. What he did recently has NO bearing on that.

Stay amused. Would you be amused if that was your next of kin? Maybe?

EDIT: I doubt your love for a bigot (in real life) would've changed if this was a non-recorded incident. But it was recorded and we all saw it. At best he's a closeted bigot, at worst, he has serious racial problems. Either way the act he put on Letterman probably convinced you that he's a great actor and you bought it hook, line, and sinker just like you bought the Kosmo Kramer acts on Seinfeld.

What if he's just a really angry person who was confronted with two black hecklers and, for better or worse, he figured the easiest way to piss them off as much as they did him was to attack their race?

What if he's just a puppet for the real racist, Jerry Seinfeld?

I think all are equally plausible.

Well, if you want to take this into a bizarre scenerio then go ahead, but I won't follow your wild thoughts, as plausible as they might be. It's also plausible that you might be a raging pedophile who is defending Kramer out of respect for the anomalies of the world. But I won't go there either.

Are you a Scientologist? That line is straight out of their handbook for dealing with people who challenge them.

That being said, I think my first example is complete possible.

I'm not but I find it interesting that you said that because you try to bring up one of an infinite number of possible scenerios that just isn't probable and you wanted me to discuss it. It's possible but not probable so let just leave it in the twilight zone. Let's deal with reality, not fantasy.

 

[Rudee]

Is there a white person in existence who is actually offended by the word "beloved patriot" or "cracker"?

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Don66
The man made remarks he's said sorry..Who cares!

The guys heckling him were also making racial slurs, I don't see anyone upset about that.

You'd be upset too if you were black. Sorry is just a convenient word that may or may not be genuine. I'm willing to bet that he apologized because he wanted to save his career, not because he gave a damn about the African-Americans. Instead of seeing it from your point of view. Try to see it from that of the victims.

I'm black. I don't care. The whole incident amuses me.

Same here. I'm black, but it doesn't really get under my skin that much. It has NO BEARING WHATSOVER on my thoughts of his as a comedic actor in Seinfeld. I loved him in Seinfeld and will ALWAYS love him as Kramer. What he did recently has NO bearing on that.

Stay amused. Would you be amused if that was your next of kin? Maybe?

EDIT: I doubt your love for a bigot (in real life) would've changed if this was a non-recorded incident. But it was recorded and we all saw it. At best he's a closeted bigot, at worst, he has serious racial problems. Either way the act he put on Letterman probably convinced you that he's a great actor and you bought it hook, line, and sinker just like you bought the Kosmo Kramer acts on Seinfeld.

What if he's just a really angry person who was confronted with two black hecklers and, for better or worse, he figured the easiest way to piss them off as much as they did him was to attack their race?

What if he's just a puppet for the real racist, Jerry Seinfeld?

I think all are equally plausible.

Well, if you want to take this into a bizarre scenerio then go ahead, but I won't follow your wild thoughts, as plausible as they might be. It's also plausible that you might be a raging pedophile who is defending Kramer out of respect for the anomalies of the world. But I won't go there either.

Are you a Scientologist? That line is straight out of their handbook for dealing with people who challenge them.

That being said, I think my first example is complete possible.

I'm not but I find it interesting that you said that because you try to bring up one of an infinite number of possible scenerios that just isn't probable and you wanted me to discuss it. It's possible but not probable so let just leave it in the twilight zone. Let's deal with reality, not fantasy.

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23375603-details/Kramer's+career+in+freefall+after+fresh+claims+of+racism/article.do

Oh no don't bite the hand that feeds.

But he has now been accused of making anti-Jewish comments during a stand-up routine as well.

Richards allegedly lashed out at Jews during performance earlier this year, yelling at one audience member: "You're a f***ing Jew. Your people are the cause of Jesus dying."

I love how white comedians can't make comments about any race other than white while comedians of ANY OTHER RACE can make fun of everyone, including whites, and it's all right. :laugh:

I love Michael Richards. He's my f'in honkey hero.

Is that really a joke? And is that joke really appropriate?

What minority makes fun of whites like this? This guy went way above the limit. It probably comes from ignorance of some sort.

I see many people here on AT keep talking about a double standard; when you actually look at it, there is no double standard when looking at the big picture.

Ever see Chris Rock do standup?
Honkey, Cracker, White Devil, etc. etc.
He goes on and on.
And it's funny.

It's not the words that are racist. It's the meaning. I really don't think Michael Richards is a racist, but the fact is that it's not the same calling a black person a ****** as calling a white person a honkey.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Is there a white person in existence who is actually offended by the word "beloved patriot" or "cracker"?

I think this is what a lot of people aren't understanding.

Some words carry more weight than others based on emotional attachment and historical ties. That's just the way it is.

There is no double standard. If you're equally hurt by the word cracker or beloved patriot, than voice your opinion in a genuine way. Spouting off "what-ifs" and poor analogies do not equate to being emotionally hurt.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Rudee
Is there a white person in existence who is actually offended by the word "beloved patriot" or "cracker"?

I think this is what a lot of people aren't understanding.

Some words carry more weight than others based on emotional attachment and historical ties. That's just the way it is.

There is no double standard. If you're equally hurt by the word cracker or beloved patriot, than voice your opinion in a genuine way. Spouting off "what-ifs" and poor analogies do not equate to being emotionally hurt.

Exactly... words can hurt even if the source of the pain isn't exactly clear. And don't be so surprised if it turns out that there is, in fact, NO EQUIVALENT "N" WORD for white people. It's like people think the world fits into tiny categories and perfect analogies...

Michael Richards clearly has some issues, and the fact that he responded to be heckled with extremely hate-filled speech is a sign that he needs to deal with some stuff. There is probably not a whole lot else to be said about this.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

You may be right and you may be wrong. Therefore the best way to see who is right or wrong is to increase the sample data. If this an anomaly then I may agree with you, but here we are in a new thread talking about Michael Richards saying something racist against a minority group. Now, is it more likely that I'm wrong or that you're wrong? I think it's the latter. If that's all you and I are discussing then this is where it ends, no?

There's something wrong with that guy and based on the different info we've read and seen, there's an obvious pattern here. But the problem here is that people like you are giving him too much leeway to slither his way out of tiffy. If you don't sympathize with individuals like this, rebuke him, that's the least you can do. Otherwise, sympathize with him and pray for the racist. Who knows, it could be you he viciously attacks during his next comedy routine.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

You may be right and you may be wrong. Therefore the best way to see who is right or wrong is to increase the sample data. If this an anomaly then I may agree with you, but here we are in a new thread talking about Michael Richards saying something racist against a minority group. Now, is it more likely that I'm wrong or that you're wrong? I think it's the latter. If that's all you and I are discussing then this is where it ends, no?

There's something wrong with that guy and based on the different info we've read and seen, there's an obvious pattern here. But the problem here is that people like you are giving him too much leeway to slither his way out of tiffy. If you don't sympathize with individuals like this, rebuke him, that's the least you can do. Otherwise, sympathize with him and pray for the racist. Who knows, it could be you he viciously attacks during his next comedy routine.

Oh please! You talk about an increased sample and then you compare a full length video to one quote? A quote that's practically benign in nature. You're just as guilty of the inverse of what you're accusing everyone else here of. You say we're giving him too much leeway, but you're not giving him enough.

Also, I doubt that I'll be the next person he attacks because I'd rather leave a comedy club than heckle the guy on stage. I have better things to do with my time.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

You may be right and you may be wrong. Therefore the best way to see who is right or wrong is to increase the sample data. If this an anomaly then I may agree with you, but here we are in a new thread talking about Michael Richards saying something racist against a minority group. Now, is it more likely that I'm wrong or that you're wrong? I think it's the latter. If that's all you and I are discussing then this is where it ends, no?

There's something wrong with that guy and based on the different info we've read and seen, there's an obvious pattern here. But the problem here is that people like you are giving him too much leeway to slither his way out of tiffy. If you don't sympathize with individuals like this, rebuke him, that's the least you can do. Otherwise, sympathize with him and pray for the racist. Who knows, it could be you he viciously attacks during his next comedy routine.

Oh please! You talk about an increased sample and then you compare a full length video to one quote? A quote that's practically benign in nature. You're just as guilty of the inverse of what you're accusing everyone else here of. You say we're giving him too much leeway, but you're not giving him enough.

Also, I doubt that I'll be the next person he attacks because I'd rather leave a comedy club than heckle the guy on stage. I have better things to do with my time.

OK, then let us wait for next dirt to reat its ugly head. But the more dirt the worse you look, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Aimster]

The guy is Jewish ...

In fact I believe the entire cast of seinfeld was Jewish, if not most.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

You may be right and you may be wrong. Therefore the best way to see who is right or wrong is to increase the sample data. If this an anomaly then I may agree with you, but here we are in a new thread talking about Michael Richards saying something racist against a minority group. Now, is it more likely that I'm wrong or that you're wrong? I think it's the latter. If that's all you and I are discussing then this is where it ends, no?

There's something wrong with that guy and based on the different info we've read and seen, there's an obvious pattern here. But the problem here is that people like you are giving him too much leeway to slither his way out of tiffy. If you don't sympathize with individuals like this, rebuke him, that's the least you can do. Otherwise, sympathize with him and pray for the racist. Who knows, it could be you he viciously attacks during his next comedy routine.

Oh please! You talk about an increased sample and then you compare a full length video to one quote? A quote that's practically benign in nature. You're just as guilty of the inverse of what you're accusing everyone else here of. You say we're giving him too much leeway, but you're not giving him enough.

Also, I doubt that I'll be the next person he attacks because I'd rather leave a comedy club than heckle the guy on stage. I have better things to do with my time.

OK, then let us wait for next dirt to reat its ugly head. But the more dirt the worse you look, wouldn't you agree?

No, I wouldn't agree. The more dirt the worse he looks.

The more you spout off your completely incorrect notions about the origins of words like "picnic" that you got from some email forward makes you look worse.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

You may be right and you may be wrong. Therefore the best way to see who is right or wrong is to increase the sample data. If this an anomaly then I may agree with you, but here we are in a new thread talking about Michael Richards saying something racist against a minority group. Now, is it more likely that I'm wrong or that you're wrong? I think it's the latter. If that's all you and I are discussing then this is where it ends, no?

There's something wrong with that guy and based on the different info we've read and seen, there's an obvious pattern here. But the problem here is that people like you are giving him too much leeway to slither his way out of tiffy. If you don't sympathize with individuals like this, rebuke him, that's the least you can do. Otherwise, sympathize with him and pray for the racist. Who knows, it could be you he viciously attacks during his next comedy routine.

Oh please! You talk about an increased sample and then you compare a full length video to one quote? A quote that's practically benign in nature. You're just as guilty of the inverse of what you're accusing everyone else here of. You say we're giving him too much leeway, but you're not giving him enough.

Also, I doubt that I'll be the next person he attacks because I'd rather leave a comedy club than heckle the guy on stage. I have better things to do with my time.

OK, then let us wait for next dirt to reat its ugly head. But the more dirt the worse you look, wouldn't you agree?

No, I wouldn't agree. The more dirt the worse he looks.

The more you spout off your completely incorrect notions about the origins of words like "picnic" that you got from some email forward makes you look worse.

You both look worse, you for defending him and him.

My origins of picnic may have been incorrect (I admit to never researching the word) and it was wrong of me to assert that, nevertheless, picnics did occur around lynched black men and people dressed in their best to be around a hanging carcass. This is the civilization that many are so damn proud of and willing to die for. No wonder so many African Americans are cynical about American justice and the American way. I'm also not surprised that I saw some Afro-Americans celebrating on 9/11, telling me that Americans now understand the fear and terror they feel every day.

 

[mrrman]

I dont think he is done at all....it will go away

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

You may be right and you may be wrong. Therefore the best way to see who is right or wrong is to increase the sample data. If this an anomaly then I may agree with you, but here we are in a new thread talking about Michael Richards saying something racist against a minority group. Now, is it more likely that I'm wrong or that you're wrong? I think it's the latter. If that's all you and I are discussing then this is where it ends, no?

There's something wrong with that guy and based on the different info we've read and seen, there's an obvious pattern here. But the problem here is that people like you are giving him too much leeway to slither his way out of tiffy. If you don't sympathize with individuals like this, rebuke him, that's the least you can do. Otherwise, sympathize with him and pray for the racist. Who knows, it could be you he viciously attacks during his next comedy routine.

Oh please! You talk about an increased sample and then you compare a full length video to one quote? A quote that's practically benign in nature. You're just as guilty of the inverse of what you're accusing everyone else here of. You say we're giving him too much leeway, but you're not giving him enough.

Also, I doubt that I'll be the next person he attacks because I'd rather leave a comedy club than heckle the guy on stage. I have better things to do with my time.

OK, then let us wait for next dirt to reat its ugly head. But the more dirt the worse you look, wouldn't you agree?

No, I wouldn't agree. The more dirt the worse he looks.

The more you spout off your completely incorrect notions about the origins of words like "picnic" that you got from some email forward makes you look worse.

You both look worse, you for defending him and him.

My origins of picnic may have been incorrect (I admit to never researching the word) and it was wrong of me to assert that, nevertheless, picnics did occur around lynched black men and people dressed in their best to be around a hanging carcass. This is the civilization that many are so damn proud of and willing to die for. No wonder so many African Americans are cynical about American justice and the American way. I'm also not surprised that I saw some Afro-Americans celebrating on 9/11, telling me that Americans now understand the fear and terror they feel every day.

I'm not defending him. I'm just trying to get you to see how full of crap you are.

 

[91TTZ]

Oh no, stop the press!

A Jewish guy made a joke about Jews... quick, someone call 911!

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Rudee
Is there a white person in existence who is actually offended by the word "beloved patriot" or "cracker"?

I think this is what a lot of people aren't understanding.

Some words carry more weight than others based on emotional attachment and historical ties. That's just the way it is.

There is no double standard. If you're equally hurt by the word cracker or beloved patriot, than voice your opinion in a genuine way. Spouting off "what-ifs" and poor analogies do not equate to being emotionally hurt.

If you don't see a double standard then you are blind.

When was the last time you saw any celebrity or anyone else for that matter being crucified in the media for calling anyone a cracker or a beloved patriot?

Heck, the media hardly blinked when Jesse Jackson, the king of the racists, called Jewish people in NYC "Hymies".

If there is no double standard then I say this whole "the world is not flat" theory is BS too. :laugh:

P.S. this thread is becoming P&N material now.

 

[DainBramaged]

<cue Dirty Laundry>

 

[LordMaul]

Try to see it from that of the victims.

Oh, absolutely. I'm sure you're just devastated and your life is forever changed from Kramer's tirade. You poor thing. Here, how about a nice big bowl of reparations for ya? :roll:

Get out of the victim mindset. You and the media are acting like every black guy in America has been personally attacked by this guy. Get a grip.

 

[KarenMarie]

10 years ago, these two would have went out in an alley and beat the living shite out of each other while screaming nig and honk and in 15 minutes it would have been over.

today it is hate speech.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

You may be right and you may be wrong. Therefore the best way to see who is right or wrong is to increase the sample data. If this an anomaly then I may agree with you, but here we are in a new thread talking about Michael Richards saying something racist against a minority group. Now, is it more likely that I'm wrong or that you're wrong? I think it's the latter. If that's all you and I are discussing then this is where it ends, no?

There's something wrong with that guy and based on the different info we've read and seen, there's an obvious pattern here. But the problem here is that people like you are giving him too much leeway to slither his way out of tiffy. If you don't sympathize with individuals like this, rebuke him, that's the least you can do. Otherwise, sympathize with him and pray for the racist. Who knows, it could be you he viciously attacks during his next comedy routine.

Oh please! You talk about an increased sample and then you compare a full length video to one quote? A quote that's practically benign in nature. You're just as guilty of the inverse of what you're accusing everyone else here of. You say we're giving him too much leeway, but you're not giving him enough.

Also, I doubt that I'll be the next person he attacks because I'd rather leave a comedy club than heckle the guy on stage. I have better things to do with my time.

OK, then let us wait for next dirt to reat its ugly head. But the more dirt the worse you look, wouldn't you agree?

No, I wouldn't agree. The more dirt the worse he looks.

The more you spout off your completely incorrect notions about the origins of words like "picnic" that you got from some email forward makes you look worse.

You both look worse, you for defending him and him.

My origins of picnic may have been incorrect (I admit to never researching the word) and it was wrong of me to assert that, nevertheless, picnics did occur around lynched black men and people dressed in their best to be around a hanging carcass. This is the civilization that many are so damn proud of and willing to die for. No wonder so many African Americans are cynical about American justice and the American way. I'm also not surprised that I saw some Afro-Americans celebrating on 9/11, telling me that Americans now understand the fear and terror they feel every day.

OK, now I'm just convinced that you are a white person trying to make black people look unreasonable. You are really stating that black Americans celebrated 9/11 because it was similar to the "fear and terror they feel every day"? I'd be interested to know where in the US these supposed celebrations took place, because I think you are full of shite.

 

[cheapherk]

All the hecklers want is money [period]. I'm more pissed off by that than anything else.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: pulse8

Why are your ideas of what happened any more accurate or possible than mine? Because you're black?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't know any more about what was going on in his head than anyone else. You can make your claims and I can make mine, but in the end it doesn't matter because we're all just speculating.

You may be right and you may be wrong. Therefore the best way to see who is right or wrong is to increase the sample data. If this an anomaly then I may agree with you, but here we are in a new thread talking about Michael Richards saying something racist against a minority group. Now, is it more likely that I'm wrong or that you're wrong? I think it's the latter. If that's all you and I are discussing then this is where it ends, no?

There's something wrong with that guy and based on the different info we've read and seen, there's an obvious pattern here. But the problem here is that people like you are giving him too much leeway to slither his way out of tiffy. If you don't sympathize with individuals like this, rebuke him, that's the least you can do. Otherwise, sympathize with him and pray for the racist. Who knows, it could be you he viciously attacks during his next comedy routine.

Oh please! You talk about an increased sample and then you compare a full length video to one quote? A quote that's practically benign in nature. You're just as guilty of the inverse of what you're accusing everyone else here of. You say we're giving him too much leeway, but you're not giving him enough.

Also, I doubt that I'll be the next person he attacks because I'd rather leave a comedy club than heckle the guy on stage. I have better things to do with my time.

OK, then let us wait for next dirt to reat its ugly head. But the more dirt the worse you look, wouldn't you agree?

No, I wouldn't agree. The more dirt the worse he looks.

The more you spout off your completely incorrect notions about the origins of words like "picnic" that you got from some email forward makes you look worse.

You both look worse, you for defending him and him.

My origins of picnic may have been incorrect (I admit to never researching the word) and it was wrong of me to assert that, nevertheless, picnics did occur around lynched black men and people dressed in their best to be around a hanging carcass. This is the civilization that many are so damn proud of and willing to die for. No wonder so many African Americans are cynical about American justice and the American way. I'm also not surprised that I saw some Afro-Americans celebrating on 9/11, telling me that Americans now understand the fear and terror they feel every day.

OK, now I'm just convinced that you are a white person trying to make black people look unreasonable. You are really stating that black Americans celebrated 9/11 because it was similar to the "fear and terror they feel every day"? I'd be interested to know where in the US these supposed celebrations took place, because I think you are full of shite.

New York City.

 

[rh71]

^ where in NYC ? I saw practically every footage possible waking up that morning here in NY and this just didn't happen. Where did you see it ?

BTW, I hardly think anyone was thinking of the slavery era when two planes hit the buildings. Celebrate ? That's just so far out there this is starting to get comical.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: rh71
^ where in NYC ? I saw practically every footage possible waking up that morning here in NY and this just didn't happen. Where did you see it ?

BTW, I hardly think anyone was thinking of the slavery era when two planes hit the buildings. That's just so far out there this is starting to get comical.

Try to think harder, please. You're trying to make a direct connection to slavery, which is absurd. I never made a direct connection. What I said was the treatment of people of African descent has lead them to be cynical about American justice and American idealism. Furthermore, the absurd treatment they've gotten has them living in a constant state of fear and terror.

Anyway, this was in Jamaica, Queens. Some people I know even went out that Friday and the DJ was shouting "Fvck bin Laden" and they said the crowd was going crazy, clapping and hollering.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Narmer
I'm also not surprised that I saw some Afro-Americans celebrating on 9/11, telling me that Americans now understand the fear and terror they feel every day.

Anyway, this was in Jamaica, Queens. Some people I know even went out that Friday and the DJ was shouting "Fvck bin Laden" and they said the crowd was going crazy, clapping and hollering.

... which in turn shows you Americans see the fear/terror Afro-Americans feel everyday ?

Ludicrous. I'm pretty sure any person of any color would've cheered at that. "Would you agree" ?