Kindergartner handcuffed!

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sactoking

sactoking

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Actually, for all of the questions about calling parents vs calling cops, the necessity of calling cops etc, there was probably good reason for what went down. Here is a scenario that is completely hypothetical but also completely plausible.

Kid misbehaves in class. Kid tears things off wall and throws them. Kid is a danger to self and others. Kid gets sent to principal's office. While in principal's office kid knocks over bookshelf and injures principal. District policy classified this injury as a worker's compensation issue which triggers a very specific series of events. If principal fails to follow work comp procedures he could lose his job. Since work comp injury was caused by student policy requires police to be notified. Policy does not have allowances for age of student. Police arrive and student is still deemed to be a treat to self or others. Police policy dictates that threat be handcuffed. Police policy does not have allowances for age of threat. If police fail to adhere to policy they could lose jobs, especially if threat subsequently does injure self or others.

Again, hypothetical scenario built around what was in the article but also completely plausible. We know the kid injured the principal. There is a very high likelihood (~100%) that said injury would be a work comp injury. We know that the police stated 'policy said we had to cuff her, no exceptions'. So what's left is a scenario where we decry the adults for not using "common sense" but fail to realize that the adults were only following the orders we (as a society) gave them for that exact scenario.
 
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Ninjahedge

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The problem is simple.

There is a balance point. Kids should be treated with a bit of respect (or we end up getting the stereotypical "Adults are the enemy" kind of kids stories), but they should also be disciplined when necessary.

I do not want a teacher hitting my kid (or, as in the case of one of my HS's chem teachers, picking them up and slamming them against a locker), but immunity to any action stemming from their own behavior (like one kid hitting a vending machine to get a free item WHILE THE GUY WAS WORKING TO REPAIR IT, then suing the repairman for getting mad and bodily moving him from the area.) just does not work.

But our society is a pendulum. This will eventually get so out of control it will cripple our system and force radical change that will NOT solve the problem, but simply migrate it right back to yardsticks in the teachers hands.
 
waggy

waggy

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sactoking said:
Actually, for all of the questions about calling parents vs calling cops, the necessity of calling cops etc, there was probably good reason for what went down. Here is a scenario that is completely hypothetical but also completely plausible.

Kid misbehaves in class. Kid tears things off wall and throws them. Kid is a danger to self and others. Kid gets sent to principal's office. While in principal's office kid knocks over bookshelf and injures principal. District policy classified this injury as a worker's compensation issue which triggers a very specific series of events. If principal fails to follow work comp procedures he could lose his job. Since work comp injury was caused by student policy requires police to be notified. Policy does not have allowances for age of student. Police arrive and student is still deemed to be a treat to self or others. Police policy dictates that threat be handcuffed. Police policy does not have allowances for age of threat. If police fail to adhere to policy they could lose jobs, especially if threat subsequently does injure self or others.

Again, hypothetical scenario built around what was in the article but also completely plausible. We know the kid injured the principal. There is a very high likelihood (~100%) that said injury would be a work comp injury. We know that the police stated 'policy said we had to cuff her, no exceptions'. So what's left is a scenario where we decry the adults for not using "common sense" but fail to realize that the adults were only following the orders we (as a society) gave them for that exact scenario.
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sounds very logical to me.
 
DAPUNISHER

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sixone said:
Yes.
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Already starting their propaganda for the lawsuit. "It could damage the child for life." So can being permitted to violently act out on other people's property and persons. Then playing the victim card, so the child thinks the behavior is not just acceptable, but potentially rewarding.
 
sixone

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At the very end of this video, the mother says the police called her six times, but she "didn't have any minutes left" - FOR THE POLICE.

If she wouldn't answer for the police, do you think she would answer when the school called?
 
MichaelD

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Ninjahedge said:
Standard for schools: One nice comfortable padded room.
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I like this idea. Throw the kid in there and call the parents. Unless the child is mentally deficient, it acts like this in public b/c it acts like this at HOME and gets away with it.

Based on the story as written, I'd have NO problem with either my kids getting cuffed if they acted in this way.
 
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MichaelD said:
I like this idea. Throw the kid in there and call the parents. Unless the child is mentally deficient, it acts like this in public b/c it acts like this at HOME and gets away with it.

Based on the story as written, I'd have NO problem with either my kids getting cuffed if they acted in this way.
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How dare you seclude my perfect child away from the other children and thus hinder his precious social growth. I'm going to sue you!

And win.
 
waggy

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wtf. what crappy parents. they shift blame and doing the best to setup a lawsuit.
 
waggy

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SpatiallyAware said:
omfg that video is hilarious. It is so full of fail from those parents I just don't even know where to start.
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that will be played at any lawsuit (i hope anyway) and it should help. It really shows a set of parents that are lazy and don't give a fuck. IF you are getting a calls from the police you find out WTF they want. the excuse "i didn't have any minutes" really does not cut it.

I really feel for the kid. Her life is going to be fucked up with parents like this. Really sad part is she is going to grow up thinking that's a good way to parent and the cycle will continue.
 
SpatiallyAware

SpatiallyAware

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waggy said:
that will be played at any lawsuit (i hope anyway) and it should help. It really shows a set of parents that are lazy and don't give a fuck. IF you are getting a calls from the police you find out WTF they want. the excuse "i didn't have any minutes" really does not cut it.

I really feel for the kid. Her life is going to be fucked up with parents like this. Really sad part is she is going to grow up thinking that's a good way to parent and the cycle will continue.
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Her life was fucked the very night mom and dad jumped into bed and conceived her, unfortunately.


I just can't believe they even played that video...... I mean good grief lol... Ask the dad if she's been in trouble.. he answers 'in trouble? um well <shifty eyes> I mean, not any trouble that I PERSONALLY know about'

then they ask the mom, her answer 'any trouble that day? no no nothing at all before this'


I mean wow... lol that is comedy gold right there. A perfect video on how to spot a couple of liar/manipulators.
 
MotionMan

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SpatiallyAware said:
Ask the dad if she's been in trouble.. he answers 'in trouble? um well <shifty eyes> I mean, not any trouble that I PERSONALLY know about'

then they ask the mom, her answer 'any trouble that day? no no nothing at all before this'


I mean wow... lol that is comedy gold right there. A perfect video on how to spot a couple of liar/manipulators.
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Reminds me of:

"Have you ever been convicted of a felony?"
"No, never convicted."

MotionMan
 
MotionMan

MotionMan

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sixone said:
At the very end of this video, the mother says the police called her six times, but she "didn't have any minutes left" - FOR THE POLICE.

If she wouldn't answer for the police, do you think she would answer when the school called?
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Then the school calling the parents would not have changed the outcome, so I do not blame them for not calling the parents first.

Those parents are full of fail.

MotionMan
 
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