Kindergartner handcuffed!

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sdifox

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so full body handcuffs?

Principal: Mrs Smith, please come to the school and pick up your mail.

Mrs Smith: Mail?

Principal:Yes, mail. Your little princess was misbehaving and we decided to put her in a burlap bag. Please come pick up your mail.


:whiste:

Yeah, that is called shitstorm rising.
 

reallyscrued

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I am saying how the hell did we get to the point when the only recourse left for the school is to call the cops on a six year old.

I don't really get what you're asking (saying?), it almost sounds rhetorical.

Kid got really out of line > school teachers don't want to intervene > call the authorities who deal with individuals that make the public uneasy.
 

rivan

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It's shitty they had to handcuff her, but what else are they supposed to do? Like everyone else said, there'd be a shitstorm if the principal or someone subdued her and in the process bruised or broke something.

This - can you imagine the shitstorm when Mommy shows up and finds a tiny bruise or a hint of redness on little Precious?

Honestly, I don't know how daycare workers do it - the ones where my kid is are absolute saints of patience.
 

sdifox

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I don't really get what you're asking (saying?), it almost sounds rhetorical.

Kid got really out of line > school teachers don't want to intervene > call the authorities who deal with individuals that make the public uneasy.

I am lamenting a society where doing the right thing is discouraged.
 

sdifox

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What would have been the right thing?

not having to involve law enforcement when dealing with a kid throwing a tantrum. Parents thanking the school for disciplining their kid. Kid get further disciplinary action at home. etc, etc.


Or are you saying what happened here should be the norm?
 

reallyscrued

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not having to involve law enforcement when dealing with a kid throwing a tantrum. Parents thanking the school for disciplining their kid. Kid get further disciplinary action at home. etc, etc.


Or are you saying what happened there should be the norm?

I don't think a 5 minute time-out would've solved things.

Considering the circumstances, I'd be fine if this was the norm. You can't expect every child to behave in a predictable manner where normal methods of discipline are effective; there will be outliers.

This sounded like an outlier. Stuff like this isn't a daily occurrence.
 

sdifox

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I don't think a 5 minute time-out would've solved things.

Considering the circumstances, I'd be fine if this was the norm. You can't expect every child to behave in a predictable manner where normal methods of discipline are effective; there will be outliers.

This sounded like an outlier. Stuff like this isn't a daily occurrence.

It better not be or they can forget about operating a school. Just move the police station into the school and call it a day.
 

waggy

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...why blame the school or parents?

Why can't we just blame the kid?

where did i blame the school at all? they didn't do anything wrong. The parents? yes they did a lot wrong and they have 100% of the blame. they are the ones who failed to teach the kid manners. they are the ones who failed to teach the kids respect of others (and property).

the story does not say if the kid has mental issues. So only other thing i can see is the parents fucking suck at being parents.
 

GlacierFreeze

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not having to involve law enforcement when dealing with a kid throwing a tantrum. Parents thanking the school for disciplining their kid. Kid get further disciplinary action at home. etc, etc.

What kind of dream world do you live in? Do you really not think this kid hasn't given them trouble all year and they finally had enough of dealing with her crap? Some of you need to go spend some time in the schools these days. Some kids are holy terrors and need more than handcuffing. They're a danger to themselves, others, and a distraction to others' education, ya know, the whole point in any of them being there.
 

alent1234

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If this is how you think it's best to handle a six year old, then you're right, don't have kids. Education staff should be trained in how to deal with a tantrum? If they needed to physically subdue her, then they should have used tactics for restraint instead of having the cops come in and cuffs her.

On the other hand, this girl and her family may have been a "troublesome" family and the staff are setting her up for expulsion.

knocking down and throwing furniture is not a tantrum. it's severe behavior or psychological problems in a child that age
 

sdifox

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What kind of dream world do you live in? Do you really not think this kid hasn't given them trouble all year and they finally had enough of dealing with her crap? Some of you need to go spend some time in the schools these days. Some kids are holy terrors and need more than handcuffing. They're a danger to themselves, others, and a distraction to others' education, ya know, the whole point in any of them being there.

I guess I am glad I am not exposed to the schools you frequent.

<-- used to work for Ministry of Education

and from personal experience. I have received call from principal once. I went in and apparently my kid was throwing a tantrum and was taken out of the class. He went to bed too late and was super cranky and decided to not behave.

I didn't have problem with the school calling me in and pulling him out of the class, it's a community and everyone does their part in raising a kid.
 
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GlacierFreeze

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I guess I am glad I am not exposed to the schools you frequent.

<-- used to work for Ministry of Education

The ones I've been too aren't that bad. But it's ignorant to pretend every kid is a sweet little, do nothing wrong angel. Some need much more than a pat on the head from the teacher when students start throwing stuff around or threatening to stab people with pencils and scissors like mentioned above, kindergartener or not.
 

sdifox

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The ones I've been too aren't that bad. But it's ignorant to pretend every kid is a sweet little, do nothing wrong angel. Some need much more than a pat on the head from the teacher when students start throwing stuff around or threatening to stab people with pencils and scissors like mentioned above, kindergartener or not.

Oh I am not saying that at all, I am just saying the methods used were not the best available to them.
 

GlacierFreeze

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Oh I am not saying that at all, I am just saying the methods used were not the best available to them.

You think they haven't exhausted every other possibility in the past 8 months since school started? I don't think this is the first time that kid flipped out this school year. No way, no how. Enough was obviously enough.
 

sdifox

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You think they haven't exhausted every other possibility in the past 8 months since school started? I don't think this is the first time that kid flipped out this school year. No way, no how. Enough was obviously enough.

You got some deeper knowledge of the case in question? Please share.
 

Iron Woode

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OTOH, if they handcuffed her for simply playing a Lisa Simpson and not eating meat (and sitting in a corner refusing to move), then we are talking unneeded humiliation and degradation.
Lisa: No I can't! I can't eat any of them!
Homer: Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. Lisa honey, are you saying you're *never* going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Ham?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Pork chops?
Lisa: Dad! Those all come from the same animal!
Homer: [Chuckles] Yeah, right Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

:awe:
 

Jeffg010

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I see no problem with this. What I want to know is did they call the parents? How many times has this happen before? This article is thin on details. What do you want them to do grab the kid and hold her down? It is easy to handcuff that kid to something so nothing more can happen.

Let&#8217;s say they do grab the kid then what should they do? Keep holding on until the kid is under control? How long is that going to take? Cuffing them is the best solution.
 
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JTsyo

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knocking down and throwing furniture is not a tantrum. it's severe behavior or psychological problems in a child that age

When I read tantrum, I was thinking laying on the floor and beating her arms and legs. What they describe is well beyond that. Maybe she need to watch the 31 shocks video to see where she'll end up.