ConstipatedVigilante
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Zenmervolt
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*shrug* I grew up without cable TV when all my friends had it. I grew up without being allowed to watch the Simpsons until I was in HS when my friends were.
Of course, by the time I was 17 I had pretty much free reign, so that part's different.
On the other hand, this kid was screwed up enough to shoot people over a video game. I would suspect that the parents had reason to believe their son was disturbed and for that reason wished to prevent him having access to the game.
ZV
Brainonska511
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Great... this is just going to give more ammo to the jerks that claim video games are the primary source of aggression in kids these days.
Oyeve
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But why the 9mm in the lockbox next to the game in question? Sounds like the parents weren't too bright. If the kid knew where the game was or even just keeping the game in the house, why the hell would you keep it near a gun knowing the kid would most likely at least attempt to look for the game?
sourceninja
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Originally posted by: darkxshade
So the kid broke into the lockbox to get the game, found the gun and used it on his parents? The article left out lots of important details.
Oh, and a minister with a gun?
/flamesuiton
Are you saying guns are bad?
Maybe he was into target shooting? Maybe he lived in a bad area. Maybe he liked it for artwork. Maybe he had it to protect himself against the dead rising and walking the earth.
I've gone hunting with a preacher before. He owned 7 guns.
DrPizza
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Weird, there are plenty of kids at the school that I teach at who only get ABC, NBC, and CBS... if the weather is just right. They're not allowed to own video games, and have turned out incredibly normal. Every last one of them is well above average & will get to go to the college of their choice. And, at school, they're involved in all sorts of extra-curricular activities & are well adjusted.
Jeff7
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Dibs on SagaLore's stuff after his kids kill him.
My parents didn't let me get Nintendo, Sega, etc. We had a rockin' 386 PC (well ok, it was midrange at the time), and they said I played too many games on it anyway.
Ahhh, Dune II, Raptor, Commander Keen......
Good stuff.
SagaLore
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
My parents didn't let me get Nintendo, Sega, etc. We had a rockin' 386 PC (well ok, it was midrange at the time), and they said I played too many games on it anyway.
Ahhh, Dune II, Raptor, Commander Keen......
My kid's first computer is going to be a Commodore 64 - he/she needs to program his/her own games.
Extremes are always bad. Gotta adjust it for your kids/family. Of my two little sisters that are now adults, it took two totally different parenting styles. One needed a slap on the wrist/physical punishment to learn her lessons while the other responded well to those "lame" punishments now like "time-out" and being sent to her room.
Just like how there are so many kids nowadays who grow up to be adults, find out they can buy guns and are completely unsafe to themselves and those around them or go around being gun-grabbing pansies. Then there are the kids raised and taught gun safety/respect and are the ones realizing how many crazy people that either have guns or want to take their guns away.
DrPizza
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Originally posted by: darkxshade
hehe this is gonna get interesting... Sagalore your rebuttal?
why would he need a rebuttal? That implies that the point wasn't in his favor. Are you guys too retarded to realize that he wouldn't have owned an xbox 360 in the first place if it wasn't for games before Halo 3?
i.e. this kid DID play video games. And, he's fucked up. So fucked up that he snapped and shot both his parents because they refused to indulge him and allow him to waste even more time playing video games.
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shiner
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: darkxshade
hehe this is gonna get interesting... Sagalore your rebuttal?
why would he need a rebuttal? That implies that the point wasn't in his favor. Are you guys too retarded to realize that he wouldn't have owned an xbox 360 in the first place if it wasn't for games before Halo 3?
i.e. this kid DID play video games. And, he's fucked up. So fucked up that he snapped and shot both his parents because they refused to indulge him and allow him to waste even more time playing video games.
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But did he kill them because of one of those previous games or because they wouldn't let him play Halo 3?
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Hey wait....
DrPizza
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wtf are you talking about? (the first paragraph there) The rabid infatuation with video games is really only one generation long. Ditto 135 channels of shit on the tv which doesn't develop the mind at all. If anything, my observations are that the kids who play the most video games are also the most maladjusted.
The second paragraph - makes little sense. A very high percentage of households are anti-gun. I don't see kids from those households running out and purchasing guns in record numbers after they hit 18 years old and move out. Nor do I find that kids from those environments are any more likely to be better or worse than their counterparts. I do, however, agree with the notion that kids brought up respecting firearms are less likely to abuse firearms. Then again, this very situation could actually be used as evidence against that argument - obviously the parents owned a firearm. And obviously, the behavior that they modeled with that firearm was one of safety - the gun was kept locked up.
Jeff7
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Though it's not really necessary to use guns at a young age; just so long as kids are aware of them, the power they have, and the implications of using and abusing that power.
I'm sure there were rules about Spear Control back when they were the newest WMD, following right on the heels of Fire as the #1 threat.
I'd wager that these problems existed in generations past; there will always be maladjusted people. In the past though, it was probably more of a "shut up and get to work" environment, where there wasn't as much opportunity for someone to lash out. Hard labor isn't exactly mentally-stimulating either. And weapons weren't as easy to obtain, or as effective. Now a gun is reasonably cheap, and quite efficient.
There were probably "infatuations" in other generations too. Back to the Spear and Fire era, fire was probably going to be the downfall of society. Same with pointy rocks tied to sticks. Same with point rocks tied to sticks, fired from bows. Or the wheel. Or exploding powders. Sports - maybe kicking a large round fruit around was some infatuation of primitive kids, perhaps even playing a real-life version of Pong. If 4 large predators were in the area, they could play Pac-Man.
Point is, I think that every generation in our lineage has complained about "Damn kids these days with their <new thing>!"
And dammit, video games aren't an indicator of maladjustment. I'm not maladjusted!!!!!!! Where's my gun.....
My point is that you can't just make generalizations like tv and video games are bad. I had those satellite channels as a kid, watched shows like married with children and home improvement growing up as well as discovery channel, history channel, food tv and learned a lot from them. I also played games all the time from the 486 days, up to my days of overclocking the celeron 300's. You have to adjust your parenting style to each kid. Some will turn out fine with 135 channels, an xbox, ps3 and an ipod and some won't. Hell, my rapid infatuation with computer games made me learn about computers and gave me an advantage in my career with my technical abilities over many of my peers.
The second example is how when you keep a person ignorant of something, they might not know how to handle it. Like those kids with daddy's that have a gun hidden away in the closet and are naturally curious and end up blowing theirs or a friend's head off while showing off.
In the end, the answer = good parenting. Even then, a totally fucked up kid will still grow up to be a fuckup.
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