When you find where he apologizes for the the SBVFTT ads, LMK. He never did anything here worth noting.
When you find where he apologizes for the the SBVFTT ads, LMK. He never did anything here worth noting.
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"Standard" meaning what? Where does your overt racism fit into your liberal/conservative construct? I take it you consider yourself conservative, since you keep mocking my "left-wing" mentality when I take exception to your uninformed bigotry.
Racism is deplorable regardless of what end of the political spectrum it comes from, and it exists on both sides.
If you are for freedom of speech, you recognize that that freedom includes the right to say stupid things.
Personally, I find racist comments offensive but as this is a private forum what's tolerated here is up to the mods.
If you are for freedom of speech, you recognize that that freedom includes the right to say stupid things.
Personally, I find racist comments offensive but as this is a private forum what's tolerated here is up to the mods.
Best post evar Rip
I hope some of the libs see it...I PM'd the mods - maybe they will do something. I think this is intolerable, and I tolerate a lot.
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I agree, for once, and this is well put indeed. I just want this place to be the best it can be, and that doesn't allow for comments like GG's, from my perspective.
When you find where he apologizes for the the SBVFTT ads, LMK. He never did anything here worth noting.[/quote]
He condemned all softmoney 527 ads. All would include the Swiftboat ad.
It doesn't fit in. Of the people I know who share my viewpoint, there is no real pattern on how they are on the liberal/conservative scale.
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Do you guys have some kind of secret handshake, or do you just identify each other by the hoods?
Neither. They're simple friends at school whom I enjoy gaming, playing/watching sports, and partying with. I also have friends who don't agree with me in this regard, which is perfectly fine. I don't really care either way.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Best post evar Rip
I PM'd the mods - maybe they will do something. I think this is intolerable, and I tolerate a lot.
We are free in a democracy to the point that our freedon doesn't harm or infringe on others. That's where the line is. Most people have enough brains to know where it is without crossing it. Unfortunaltly, some don't.
Don Vito Corleone
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If they had any balls, and ethics, they'd tell you to go straight to hell. No reason to tolerate racist friends - that is a deal-killer for anyone with any common sense.
umbrella39
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My goodness this thread has gone to sh!t. Not surprising that a RIP post has turned ugly. Need I say more... mission accomplished RIP.
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If this isn't the best case scenario for the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
Actually, not to rain on your parade, but this last week has seen gains by the President. With the convention just around the corner... I dunno.
Why isnt Senator Kerry suing? He is writing to the publisher, TV stations, and now the FEC. However, he isnt actually confronting the vets themselves. I would think the fastest way to get these guys bounced would be to sue them directly?
Personally, this is a no-win situation. Either the Senator lied and we have one less hero, or the vets are lying and we have a bunch less heros. I dont see this as a good thing either way.
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I don't know that they're lying, exactly, although I think some of them clearly are.
The reality is that the most prominent "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" are, IMO, either lying or exhibiting a drastic change of heart about what happened, since they have, in the past, praised Sen Kerry's leadership and courage and/or signed off on paperwork indicating that events took place in direct contradiction to what they're saying now. Then, of course, there's the doctor whose name appears nowhere on Kerry's medical paperwork, but who claims to precisely remember treating what he calls a trivial injury, 30+ years ago, in the midst of a combat zone.
Most of these 250 men had little or no contact with Sen Kerry in Vietnam, but are deeply angry with what he said when he returned from Vietnam, which they regard as disloyal. I don't happen to agree with them, even as a fellow GI (in fact, I regard his anti-war activism as laudable, under the circumstances), but I don't blame them, nor does it surprise me they feel this way. Since they are angry with him, and have been for decades, they are taking advantage of this moment in the sun to pile on him and smear his reputation. Most of them, I'm sure, know little more about Kerry than you or I, except that they feel he betrayed them.
I tend to think most of these men are being taken advantage of for political purposes, and in particular, Commander Elliott strikes me as a tragic character (as witnessed by his on-again, off-again praise for, and criticism of Sen Kerry, followed by his retreat into the shadows - it frankly makes him look like a wishy-washy coward). I think it's telling that 16 of the 17 men who served with Sen Kerry on HIS boat are now strident supporters - I regard that as strong testament to his true character.
In any case, I think moveon.org and the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" are fundamentally chaff, and are distracting attention from the real issues. That's a shame.
oh..this is just starting!
wait until the ads start running showing Kerry in the North Vietnam "Hall of National Heroes"
wait until the ads start running showing Kerry telling the Senate what a noble guy Daniel Ortega is, and how the U.S. can work with him, and trust him, and then show Ortega popping up in the Soviet Union to recieve millions in military aide
wait until the ads show Kerry making the cambodia claims (Nixon sent me into to an illegal war zone)...and point out that Lyndon Johnson (D) was Pressident when he made those statements.
wait until the ads show kerry claiming he threw his medals away, then he didn't, then it was ribbons, then it was someone else's medals, then it was his medals again...
wait until the ads show Kerry claiming he's for strong intelligence communit, and he's voting to cut funding over and over again
wait until the ads sho kerry voting against Gulf War 1, voting for Gulf War 2, then voting against funding Gulf War 2...
the ads are only going to get more devastating, and will show the public what a radical leftist voting record Kerry has, and how much of a prevaricator he is......
he's going to be exposed as the oh so liberal, oh so pacifist, pro-communist, leftist, radical chic junior senator from Massachusetts that he has always been.
you ain't seen nuthin yet..
gonna be willie horton all over again..
lee atwater, rest in peace!!
wait until the ads start running showing Kerry in the North Vietnam "Hall of National Heroes"
wait until the ads start running showing Kerry telling the Senate what a noble guy Daniel Ortega is, and how the U.S. can work with him, and trust him, and then show Ortega popping up in the Soviet Union to recieve millions in military aide
wait until the ads show Kerry making the cambodia claims (Nixon sent me into to an illegal war zone)...and point out that Lyndon Johnson (D) was Pressident when he made those statements.
wait until the ads show kerry claiming he threw his medals away, then he didn't, then it was ribbons, then it was someone else's medals, then it was his medals again...
wait until the ads show Kerry claiming he's for strong intelligence communit, and he's voting to cut funding over and over again
wait until the ads sho kerry voting against Gulf War 1, voting for Gulf War 2, then voting against funding Gulf War 2...
the ads are only going to get more devastating, and will show the public what a radical leftist voting record Kerry has, and how much of a prevaricator he is......
he's going to be exposed as the oh so liberal, oh so pacifist, pro-communist, leftist, radical chic junior senator from Massachusetts that he has always been.
you ain't seen nuthin yet..
gonna be willie horton all over again..
lee atwater, rest in peace!!
just out of curiousity...
what would liberals say if Bush had appointed his brother Jeb as Attorney General?
would liberals have complained about that?
just curious..
lets have some comments..
what would liberals say if Bush had appointed his brother Jeb as Attorney General?
would liberals have complained about that?
just curious..
lets have some comments..
X-Man:
Uh, don't you have to prove actual malice, or meet some similar high standard of proof to win if you are a public figure?
They may also be waiting for the authors to continue hanging themselves with their public appearances, which have proven to be debacles so far. Did you see the Hardball segment with one of their lead guys? Matthews tore the guy a new sphincter.
FWIW, I'm not impressed with Kerry's war record. He did, however, do significantly better than GW, who was probably drunk during most of his service. (NB: Not that I was sober too frequently when I served in the Marines, but that's another irrelevant story of NCO Club abuse.)
Everyone's complaining about the excesses of these groups supporting the candidates. I love it. Politics is not for the weak of heart or mind, and besides, it's all very entertaining. If the candidates were sitting in a parlour and having collegial discussions on the relative merits of issues like adults would ANYONE vote? I don't think so. God put the Irish on this planet for a reason, after all-we love a good fight.
-Robert
Uh, don't you have to prove actual malice, or meet some similar high standard of proof to win if you are a public figure?
They may also be waiting for the authors to continue hanging themselves with their public appearances, which have proven to be debacles so far. Did you see the Hardball segment with one of their lead guys? Matthews tore the guy a new sphincter.
FWIW, I'm not impressed with Kerry's war record. He did, however, do significantly better than GW, who was probably drunk during most of his service. (NB: Not that I was sober too frequently when I served in the Marines, but that's another irrelevant story of NCO Club abuse.)
Everyone's complaining about the excesses of these groups supporting the candidates. I love it. Politics is not for the weak of heart or mind, and besides, it's all very entertaining. If the candidates were sitting in a parlour and having collegial discussions on the relative merits of issues like adults would ANYONE vote? I don't think so. God put the Irish on this planet for a reason, after all-we love a good fight.
-Robert
I think I already know the answer, but for clarification purposes heartsurgeon, could you tell all of us why you took the time to chop off the first part of my response?
Bowfinger
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It's not the first time "heartsurgeon" has clipped a few words out of context to intentionally, flagrantly misrepresent an opponent's position. He did this to me at least once. He refused to apologize for this or even defend it when I called him on it. As far as I am concerned, he has no integrity, and therefore no credibility. It makes him a fitting shill for his feckless leader in D.C.
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