Kaveri Refresh Desktop CPUs coming in 2015 (Rumour)

[Sweepr]

As we wrote a few days ago, Kaveri will have a shelf-life longer than expected in the Desktop, as well as Trinity has had a shelf-life longer than expected, through the commercialization of Richland. AMD will apply the same strategy with Kaveri, and this could explain the modus operandi of marketing with the dropper of the latest APU, for now limited to only those models A10-7850K and A8-7700K, despite the recent presentation of both the non-K models of both ' Athlon II X4 860K , which should be seen in good numbers soon.

In light of this, the supply of Consumer AMD could be divided into two branches, in 2015, for an APU based on Bulldozer architecture: Kaveri for the desktop market, the market for Carrizo Notebook.

Source: https://translate.google.com.br/tra...-kaveri-refresh-in-arrivo-nel-2015&edit-text=
Via: http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-refresh-coming-2015-carrizo-apu-mobile/

I wonder if there's any reason not to launch desktop Carrizo alongside mobile Carrizo if this rumour is actually true? Also, would they scrap desktop Carrizo at all or launch it later and how would this affect their post-CMT x86 architecture launch schedule?

 

[cbn]

Excellent News if true.

Here are two budget Value SKUs (based on the existing die) I would like to see:

1.) A8-7500K (unlocked quad core with 2MB cache and 256 stream processor iGPU).

2.) A8-7550K (unlocked quad core with 2MB cache and 320 stream processor iGPU)

 

[Fjodor2001]

It's because all the AMD R&D resources are being put into the next-gen post-Bulldozer x86 architecture APU, with HBM/StackedDRAM and 8 cores on Samsung/GF 14 nm coming in 2016.

 

[monstercameron]

Fottemberg strikes again!

 

[cbn]

I wonder if there's any reason not to launch desktop Carrizo alongside mobile Carrizo if this rumour is actually true?

Remember part of the Carrizo die (the SOC's PCH) becomes disabled when plugged into a Fm2+ desktop socket.

Not sure how much die area that is, but it doesn't sound terribly efficient to me.

 

[monstercameron]

Remember part of the Carrizo die (the SOC's PCH) becomes disabled when plugged into a Fm2+ desktop socket.

Not sure how much die area that is, but it doesn't sound terribly efficient to me.

That is speculation.

 

[cbn]

If these refresh rumors are true, I do hope it will not be clockspeed increases alone as we seen in the past with the Trinity to Richland transition. (examples: A10-5800K---> A10-6800K, Athlon x4 750K --> Athlon x 4 760K, A6-5400K ---> A6-6400K)

Instead of just clockspeed increases, I hope we see AMD use the yield improvements to combine some of the weaker highly harvested SKUs (like the Athlon x 4 860K and A6-7400K) into one stronger SKU:

Athlon x4 860K (unlocked quad core with 2MB cache, no iGPU) x A6-7400K (unlocked dual core with 1MB cache and 256 stream processor iGPU) = A8-7500K (unlocked quad core with 2MB cache and 256 stream processor iGPU).

(Or if using Refresh naming it could be called A8-8500K or whatever)

 

[NostaSeronx]

I can see a Kaveri Refresh happening as there are two sets of Carrizo.

Kaveri Refresh (FM2+) -> Carrizo-L
Carrizo (FP4/SP2) -> Carrizo-L
Mullins (FP4) -> Amur

Carrizo on FP4/SP2 replaces Beema.

 

[Sweepr]

It's because all the AMD R&D resources are being put into the next-gen post-Bulldozer x86 architecture APU, with HBM/StackedDRAM and 8 cores on Samsung/GF 14 nm coming in 2016.

Are you sure about that? Then please show us numbers/data about this R&D resource allocation and this 14nm 8-core Stacked DRAM APU's specs, where does that came from?

 

[Centauri]

Are you sure about that? Then please show us numbers/data about this R&D resource allocation and this 14nm 8-core Stacked DRAM APU's specs, where does that came from?

So... unless you see documented evidence leaked from internal sources, your assumption is that a company in a product-hole is not focusing R&D resources on getting out of it?

How does that train of thought work? Genuine question, because I think I am chemically incapable of following it.

 

[Sweepr]

So... unless you see documented evidence leaked from internal sources, your assumption is that a company in a product-hole is not focusing R&D resources on getting out of it?

How does that train of thought work? Genuine question, because I think I am chemically incapable of following it.

So it's just an educated guess, ok, got it. If you look at his posts you'll notice he loves to question other users, but it looks like he doesn't mind posting a few rumours/predictions of his own. Unless I am missing something AMD didn't confirm/leak an 8-core stacked DRAM 14nm 2016 part.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I would say an "educated guess" is a charitable description. I would describe it as more like "wishful thinking".

 

[Ajay]

If these refresh rumors are true, I do hope it will not be clockspeed increases alone as we seen in the past with the Trinity to Richland transition. (examples: A10-5800K---> A10-6800K, Athlon x4 750K --> Athlon x 4 760K, A6-5400K ---> A6-6400K)

Seems, at this stage of the game, either a clock speed bump or lower power for the same clock are most likely (process maturation). It's hard to imagine AMD expended the effort to design a Kaveri 'C'.

Makes me really think Carrizo will be on 20nm but not till late next year (otherwise, no need for a refresh).

AMD’s 20nm APUs, GPUs and Embedded Chips to Arrive in 2015:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...ows_to_Introduce_20nm_Products_Next_Year.html

 

[cbn]

Seems, at this stage of the game, either a clock speed bump or lower power for the same clock are most likely (process maturation).

I also hope the throttling issue we see with the A10-7850K and A10-7700K gets addresed

It's hard to imagine AMD expended the effort to design a Kaveri 'C'.

That SKU I proposed, in post #7, with the made up name "A8-7500K" is actually just a die harvested part.

(So instead of having two really weak die harvested parts, Athlon x4 860K and A6-7400K, there would be one stronger, but still weak die harvested part...the A8-7500K.

A8-7500K = unlocked quad core with 2MB cache and 256 SP iGPU

(Think of A8-7500K as either a Athlon x 4 860K with a 256 SP iGPU or a A6-7400K with another cache crippled Steamroller module enabled)

 

[daveybrat]

Kaveri Refresh??

LOL......how about if AMD can just get the original Kaveri Sku's to the market already.

Still waiting on the A6-7600 and the mobile Kaveri FX cpu's.

 

[monstercameron]

Kaveri Refresh??

LOL......how about if AMD can just get the original Kaveri Sku's to the market already.

Still waiting on the A6-7600 and the mobile Kaveri FX cpu's.

of course a ton of kaveri skus are already at retail...

 

[daveybrat]

of course a ton of kaveri skus are already at retail...

Where? At Newegg there's still just 2, the A10-7700K and the 7850K.

How about the A6 and A8 models that were supposed to be out months ago??

 

[monstercameron]

Where? At Newegg there's still just 2, the A10-7700K and the 7850K.

How about the A6 and A8 models that were supposed to be out months ago??

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...Q&gclsrc=aw.ds
and kaveri notebooks are just starting to be available.

 

[PG]

Where? At Newegg there's still just 2, the A10-7700K and the 7850K.

How about the A6 and A8 models that were supposed to be out months ago??

A few new ones were just made available on some sites this week:

A8-7600 finally: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...134200&CatId=0

A6-7400K: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.aspx?sku=331785

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...199&CatId=7182

 

[Insert_Nickname]

(Think of A8-7500K as either a Athlon x 4 860K with a 256 SP iGPU or a A6-7400K with another cache crippled Steamroller module enabled)

Would be a pretty interesting chip, and it'd fill a hole in the current line-up. Currently there is no way to get a 2 module/4 thread Steamroller chip without sacrificing either the IGP or moving up to the A8-7600, with an "overpowered" IGP for non-gaming use...

In a pinch, I'd settle for a 2 module/128SP chip.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Kaveri Refresh(New die);
FM2+ support / DDR3
FM3 support / DDR4
A88X (65-nm FCH)
A98X (28-nm FCH)
28-nm SHP

Carrizo Large(Die not similar to Carrizo Mobile/AIO);
FM3 support / DDR4
A98X (28-nm FCH)
20-nm SHP

Kaveri Refresh and Carrizo Large both do not have an integrated southbridge.

 

[daveybrat]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...Q&gclsrc=aw.ds
and kaveri notebooks are just starting to be available.

Thanks for the link. Wish Newegg and Amazon had it, but at least it's finally here.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

I would say an "educated guess" is a charitable description. I would describe it as more like "wishful thinking".

Look at Jim Keller's track record. He's designed some of the best CPU's in the business. The Apple A4/A5 and AMD's K8 were excellent. I have no doubt AMD will be back in the enthusiast market if they let him follow his instincts.

 

[Ajay]

Kaveri Refresh(New die);
FM2+ support / DDR3
FM3 support / DDR4
A88X (65-nm FCH)
A98X (28-nm FCH)
28-nm SHP

Carrizo Large(Die not similar to Carrizo Mobile/AIO);
FM3 support / DDR4
A98X (28-nm FCH)
20-nm SHP

Kaveri Refresh and Carrizo Large both do not have an integrated southbridge.

That makes some sense to me. Kaveri should see an improvement in GFX and mixed GFX/CPU performance w/DDR4. I'm somewhat amazed that AMD invested in a new die, but if it fixes the throttling problem mentioned above - that'd be a nice improvement. The new FCH is good news, should be a huge power drop going from 65nm->28nm. It'll will be interesting to see what new features are added in A98X - hopefully M.2 4x among other features. AMD needs a better spec list (and much better marketing) to stop the the slide in APU sales.

I was going to build an HTPC last year w/Kaveri, but it was a disappointment, so I bought a new TiVo. I won't be building one now - but I hope Carrizo is more up to the task than Kaveri in the GFX department.

I've seen the info on DDR4-3000 being available next year, so that should help Carrizo. I wish we'd see HBM too, but I don't know if the costs are low enough yet.

 

[cbn]

It'll will be interesting to see what new features are added in A98X - hopefully M.2 4x among other features. AMD needs a better spec list (and much better marketing) to stop the the slide in APU sales.

Yes, I agree M.2 spec is something AMD should have.

.......For the lowest end Kaveri or Carrizo APUs I would also hope they can add one of the cheaper forms of primary storage (eMMC 5.0, UFS 2.0, BGA SSD, etc) in order to help lower total system cost.

(EDIT: For information on what UFS 2.0 is, here is an Anandtech article that explains it ---> http://www.anandtech.com/show/7696/toshiba-and-qualcomm-set-to-introduce-ufs-20-solutions-in-2014 )

Keep the SATA ports, but let a person run a low end Kaveri or Carrizo with some inexpensive form of flash if necessary.