Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[crashtech]

Even with the huge amount of stupid shit in this thread, this might actually be number one. Congrats.

Oh, well feel free to list some bigger ones.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Meanwhile President piece of shit is mocking Ms Ford at a rally.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...lasey-ford-mississippi-campaign-rally-n916061

 

[ecogen]

Oh, well feel free to list some bigger ones.

Benghazi, you absolute imbecile.

 

[IronWing]

What happened to the sex stuff? When did we move on to lying about beer drinking etc. as being an even more horrible character flaw? I don't even like Kavanaugh, but as basically an outside observer it appears as if the left has gone completely insane over this guy, again reminding me of history. It's about the biggest temper tantrum I've ever seen, and if it's successful, they'll only get worse and more frequent.

Personally I think I am going to revisit some historical sources regarding how the choice was made to give the POTUS power over SCOTUS nominations. I don't see a whole lot of discussion about that; if there is widespread discontent, then perhaps it's time to revisit how things are done.

Tell your Republican cronies in the Senate and White House to release the 100k pages of documents concerning Kavanaugh's time in the White House and we'll stop talking about sex.

 

[fskimospy]

Speaking for myself, I believe there are likely better choices even amongst nominees that the President would find acceptable. However, it's not up to me, it's up to the POTUS with Congress' consent as we all know. At this point I genuinely believe the Dem leadership has overplayed their hand, certainly it won't seem so to most of the regulars on this board, though. It's all so over the top that it has made me more suspicious instead of more credulous, and I would bet that I'm not alone even amongst, you know, "non-deplorables."

If after all this you have become more suspicious of the Democrats than of the Republicans then I can only assume you may not be up on all the relevant facts. I’m unaware of a SCOTUS nominee in history other than Bork who was more demonstrably corrupt.

The outrage here is that everyone knows Kavanaugh has repeatedly perjured himself and Republicans are covering for him. Forget the sex stuff, all of it. Even if that doesn’t exist this guy should be getting impeached for lying to Congress.

 

[Maxima1]

Speaking for myself, I believe there are likely better choices even amongst nominees that the President would find acceptable. However, it's not up to me, it's up to the POTUS with Congress' consent as we all know. At this point I genuinely believe the Dem leadership has overplayed their hand, certainly it won't seem so to most of the regulars on this board, though. It's all so over the top that it has made me more suspicious instead of more credulous, and I would bet that I'm not alone even amongst, you know, "non-deplorables."

WTF. What are you smoking? This whole nonsense shows how massively corrupt the GOP is. We already know they're obstructing for Donnie as well to conceal criminal activity, so it's not surprising at all.

 

[crashtech]

Tell your Republican cronies in the Senate and White House to release the 100k pages of documents concerning Kavanaugh's time in the White House and we'll stop talking about sex.

Man, if only I had some cronies! Life would be good. We'd certainly need a big crew to get through all 100K of riveting prose.

 

[IronWing]

Man, if only I had some cronies! Life would be good. We'd certainly need a big crew to get through all 100K of riveting prose.

So you enjoy making judgements in ignorance?

 

[sportage]

Time for a little devils advocate....
I like playing the devils advocate.
To try and see things from the other side of the tracks.
SO here it goes.

College drinking shouldn't be a deal breaker.
If the person drank as a youth and in situations where everyone else drank, a lot, like back in college, then as an adult college drinking shouldn't matter.
If the person no longer has a drinking problem OR has never shown up at work drunk.
Or has never had the police called to the house and the police finding a mean drunk.
Or persons in everyday life have never witnessed the person drunk or having a drinking problem, then college drinking all of those years and years ago should not be an issue.
Not talking about the rape or assault, only about the drinking issue.

Then we have Christine Ford.
She blew it!!!!
That being, if this comes down to an he said / she said thing with no concrete proof either way, then Ford has a HUGE PROBLEM for not telling the authorities back when the assault happened.
When reporting this mattered.
If Ford HAD reported to the authorities, a public record would exist.
But because Ford was silent, we have no record to fall back on.

I'm glad that Ford finally spoke up, but speaking up should have been done BACK THEN when it mattered. When this could have been reported, officially.
However, back then Ford said nada, nothing, zilch to the police or to the authorities or to the college administration staff.
Damn it, ford should have said something to those that mattered.
Ford blew it!
Her silence was a missed opportunity.
Unforgivable decision.
If what happened did happen, and was as traumatic as Ford claims, that was the time to speak and report not years and years later.
Not if we expect congress to give Ford a break, and take her seriously.
Especially in this he said / she said situation.

Kavanaugh should never sit on the high court if only because of his odd unhinged temperament.
And Kavanaugh does twist the truth a lot, beyond the Ford thing, Kavanaugh has a huge problem with being truthful and forthcoming.
Kavanaugh is a bit of a snake in the grass. And that is more than enough to disqualify Kavanaugh.

Again, as for the Ford thing, the ball was in her court.
She could have and definitely should have said something, anything to the proper authorities back then when it mattered AND when possible witnesses could still remember and recall facts.
But she blew it.
And now, well now is a case of too little too late.
Memories fade, people forget, people are afraid to guess.
Just too too bad why Ford waited so long, and failed to notified police or college staff.
And a public record established.

 

[UberNeuman]

ah, the next iteration of "So Very Concerned."

lol.

 

[Zorba]

What happened to the sex stuff? When did we move on to lying about beer drinking etc. as being an even more horrible character flaw? I don't even like Kavanaugh, but as basically an outside observer it appears as if the left has gone completely insane over this guy, again reminding me of history. It's about the biggest temper tantrum I've ever seen, and if it's successful, they'll only get worse and more frequent.

Personally I think I am going to revisit some historical sources regarding how the choice was made to give the POTUS power over SCOTUS nominations. I don't see a whole lot of discussion about that; if there is widespread discontent, then perhaps it's time to revisit how things are done.

The fact he is lying about stuff that literally nobody would care about shows he has some serious character flaws and is probably a pathological liar.

Although Clinton shouldn't have lied, it was to cover up a consensual affair, which is at least an understandable reason to lie. It also wasn't done during a job interview for a life time appointment, and he was politician not a judge. Clinton also wouldn't get elected today.

 

[fskimospy]

Crashtech, all sex crime stuff aside (although his ongoing perjury there is still horrendous), read this piece and then come back and tell us honestly that he shouldn’t just be rejected, but shouldn’t be impeached and removed from his current position.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/20/brett-kavanaughs-unlikely-story-about-democrats-stolen-documents/

Kavanaugh used documents any person in his position would know were obtained through criminal activity and then repeatedly lied to Congress about it. It’s a disgrace that he’s even in the judiciary at all.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Over 500 law professors from 90 schools as of 5pm today have signed off on a letter against Kavanaugh’s temperament and apparent bias. The document required confirmation through contact and submission from a .edu address before a name will be formally added.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DojChhYW4AAT_pC?format=jpg&name=large

 

[IronWing]

Then we have Christine Ford.
She blew it!!!!
That being, if this comes down to an he said / she said thing with no concrete proof either way, then Ford has a HUGE PROBLEM for not telling the authorities back when the assault happened.
When reporting this mattered.
If Ford HAD reported to the authorities, a public record would exist.
But because Ford was silent, we have no record to fall back on.

Do you know what the popo circa 1982 would do with Ford's allegations? Nothing. Tell her be more careful about the parties she attends and tell Kavanaugh to have someone sober drive him home. The end.

 

[crashtech]

The fact he is lying about stuff that literally nobody would care about shows he has some serious character flaws and is probably a pathological liar.

Although Clinton shouldn't have lied, it was to cover up a consensual affair, which is at least an understandable reason to lie. It also wasn't done during a job interview for a life time appointment, and he was politician not a judge. Clinton also wouldn't get elected today.

Possibly. Although 36 years is a pretty long time to tell yourself a different story about who you are, and memory is most assuredly shaped by our internal narratives. In that respect, a great many of us could be considered pathological by your standard.

 

[Ackmed]

Heh. This guy delivers EVERY time.

Yet you dont deny the double standard that you are a part of. Good job.

Each conservative poster enters the thread, ignores all that has been discussed, and reposts the Republican talking points as if coming up with something original or something that furthers the discussion. Don't be surprised if folks dismiss your lazy post out of hand.

I did discuss it. There is ZERO evidence that anything happened.

Unlike with Bill/Hillary Clinton. Unlike with Keith Ellison. Unlike with Kobe Bryant.

YOU and those like you, keep on ignoring the double standard. Why dont you accuse those of being rapist and an affront to women who have been abused? I mean, believe all women right? No, its believe all democratic women and those who claim allegations against Republicans.

Why do women keep going to Bill's speeches? Why does the left STILL love Bill? Many more and much more credible allegations have been cast at him and his wife. Yet the left still loves him. Why is Monica STILL paying for Bill's sins? Why aren't you and other lefties upset about it? Its an easy answer. Because its not against a republican. Why are all the Hollywood elites calling for condemnation against Kav, but not against Kobe who just received an Oscar? The same people who stood up and cheered for him are rallying against Kav. If you don't see the problem with that, you are just ignorant or willingly blind.

I didnt ignore anything. There is no evidence to ignore. Zero. Why are you, and others, ignoring the fact that you dont have the same standard across the board? There are 12 women who made allegations, and much more credible, against Bill. Why are you not holding him accountable? Bill's own lawyer dismissed a much more credible account that what is against Kav. Yet she claims Kav is guilty. She also defended Fraken, and claimed that the context he was in as a comedian made it ok to grope a sleeping woman. Yet she claims Kav is guilty. Are you serious with this?

Why dont you stop ignoring talking points, and admit that there are plenty of Dems, that are not help to the same standard with MUCH more credible allegations than against Kav.. You want to be a champion for women? Great. Do it for all, not just for those who are lefties like yourself. You and other dismiss "talking points" because you cant, or dont want to admit your bias. You dont care about women and these sorts of allegations, or else you would hold all to the same standard. But you dont, and others dont as well. Proving your own bias an hypocrisy.

Keep avoiding it, just proves me right.

 

[Greenman]

Over 500 law professors from 90 schools as of 5pm today have signed off on a letter against Kavanaugh’s temperament and apparent bias. The document required confirmation through contact and submission from a .edu address before a name will be formally added.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DojChhYW4AAT_pC?format=jpg&name=large

Unfortunately, it's not an election, it's a conformation. The public doesn't get to vote. If any of those folks who signed are senators then it means something.
I'm pretty sure Kavanugh is dead in the water at this point.

 

[emperus]

It's actually two things from the signature, haha. He wasn't being honest about "Bart" either.

I just heard that. When I think of a supreme court justice.. Liar is the first word that comes to mind.. lol.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

It's actually two things from the signature, haha. He wasn't being honest about "Bart" either.

And what makes that even sadder is when asked during the hearing if it was him the response was “you’d have to ask Mark Judge.” Who they couldn’t fucking ask cause the GOP would not call him or anyone else.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Unfortunately, it's not an election, it's a conformation. The public doesn't get to vote. If any of those folks who signed are senators then it means something.
I'm pretty sure Kavanugh is dead in the water at this point.

You’re right, it’s not an election. It’s a campaign to persuade the people elected to represent not just their party but the interests of the country.

I wish I could agree that he is dead in the water but even with the amount of shit that has come out this week. All the lies he has been shown to have told during that one hearing, they will still vote to confirm him.

 

[Jhhnn]

Possibly. Although 36 years is a pretty long time to tell yourself a different story about who you are, and memory is most assuredly shaped by our internal narratives. In that respect, a great many of us could be considered pathological by your standard.

Do you think Kavanaugh actually believes he wasn't a Toga party kind of guy? You're claiming he's delusional but that's really OK?

 

[FIVR]

Meanwhile President piece of shit is mocking Ms Ford at a rally.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...lasey-ford-mississippi-campaign-rally-n916061

Trump has word from his Fake Background-check Investigation (FBI) that the fix is in, so he's been unleashed. He can say whatever he wants and he'll still get his judge on the court.


The FBI is working its hardest to destroy America. First they get Trump elected, now they're working to remove all limits to his power.

 

[Maxima1]

When Democrats get back in, they need to throw Wray out. He could easily put an end to the BS and do a real one.

 

[crashtech]

Do you think Kavanaugh actually believes he wasn't a Toga party kind of guy? You're claiming he's delusional but that's really OK?

I have as little idea of how his internal narratives have shaped his beliefs and recollections as I do yours. Nowhere did I call anyone delusional, to act like our memories are just recording devices and that our sense of who we are isn't subject to change might possibly be delusional, though.

 

[Zorba]

Possibly. Although 36 years is a pretty long time to tell yourself a different story about who you are, and memory is most assuredly shaped by our internal narratives. In that respect, a great many of us could be considered pathological by your standard.

You don't forget that devil's triangle is a threesome, or that you got smashed drunk, or when you lost your virginity. Yeah, he could lie to himself about how he treated women or how often he drank, but there are something you just don't forget.