Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[Jhhnn]

I have as little idea of how his internal narratives have shaped his beliefs and recollections as I do yours. Nowhere did I call anyone delusional, to act like our memories are just recording devices and that our sense of who we are isn't subject to change might possibly be delusional, though.

It's perfectly clear that Kavanaugh was a party maniac. Which isn't something I hold against him at all. When he says he wasn't he's either lying or his internal narrative is delusional. Pick one.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You mean like squandering tax dollars "investigating" Hillary murdering Vince Foster? How about providing cover for Bush's war crimes? Is that enough? Where are the 100k pages of documents that the White House and Senate Republicans don't want the American people to see?

Vince Foster? How did you know? Next it will be Jimmy Hoffa and Amelia Earhart.

 

[mect]

Time for a little devils advocate....
I like playing the devils advocate.
To try and see things from the other side of the tracks.
SO here it goes.

College drinking shouldn't be a deal breaker.
If the person drank as a youth and in situations where everyone else drank, a lot, like back in college, then as an adult college drinking shouldn't matter.
If the person no longer has a drinking problem OR has never shown up at work drunk.
Or has never had the police called to the house and the police finding a mean drunk.
Or persons in everyday life have never witnessed the person drunk or having a drinking problem, then college drinking all of those years and years ago should not be an issue.
Not talking about the rape or assault, only about the drinking issue.

Then we have Christine Ford.
She blew it!!!!
That being, if this comes down to an he said / she said thing with no concrete proof either way, then Ford has a HUGE PROBLEM for not telling the authorities back when the assault happened.
When reporting this mattered.
If Ford HAD reported to the authorities, a public record would exist.
But because Ford was silent, we have no record to fall back on.

I'm glad that Ford finally spoke up, but speaking up should have been done BACK THEN when it mattered. When this could have been reported, officially.
However, back then Ford said nada, nothing, zilch to the police or to the authorities or to the college administration staff.
Damn it, ford should have said something to those that mattered.
Ford blew it!
Her silence was a missed opportunity.
Unforgivable decision.
If what happened did happen, and was as traumatic as Ford claims, that was the time to speak and report not years and years later.
Not if we expect congress to give Ford a break, and take her seriously.
Especially in this he said / she said situation.

Kavanaugh should never sit on the high court if only because of his odd unhinged temperament.
And Kavanaugh does twist the truth a lot, beyond the Ford thing, Kavanaugh has a huge problem with being truthful and forthcoming.
Kavanaugh is a bit of a snake in the grass. And that is more than enough to disqualify Kavanaugh.

Again, as for the Ford thing, the ball was in her court.
She could have and definitely should have said something, anything to the proper authorities back then when it mattered AND when possible witnesses could still remember and recall facts.
But she blew it.
And now, well now is a case of too little too late.
Memories fade, people forget, people are afraid to guess.
Just too too bad why Ford waited so long, and failed to notified police or college staff.
And a public record established.

Can we stop blaming the fucking victims. This bullshit is so old. This was the early 80s. Kids of this time received even less education than kids do today about how to cope with sexual assault. How many damn women have to finally open up about assaults that happened long ago before the fucking men start to recognize that this shit is tramatic, that it is difficult to talk about under the best of conditions, and we've set up a society that ignores and blames victims and goes to all kinds of lengths to justify the criminal. Its disgusting. Gain some understanding before saying that a victim of sexual assault blew it by not reporting it when the men think she should have.

 

[crashtech]

It's perfectly clear that Kavanaugh was a party maniac. Which isn't something I hold against him at all. When he says he wasn't he's either lying or his internal narrative is delusional. Pick one.

He might be lying.

 

[crashtech]

Can we stop blaming the fucking victims. This bullshit is so old. This was the early 80s. Kids of this time received even less education than kids do today about how to cope with sexual assault. How many damn women have to finally open up about assaults that happened long ago before the fucking men start to recognize that this shit is tramatic, that it is difficult to talk about under the best of conditions, and we've set up a society that ignores and blames victims and goes to all kinds of lengths to justify the criminal. Its disgusting. Gain some understanding before saying that a victim of sexual assault blew it by not reporting it when the men think she should have.

Didn't you see "devil's advocate?" He doesn't believe any of that. But if I might add to what you wrote, let's not forget that boys weren't taught properly either. They were taught that no sometimes means yes. We know that's wrong, but that's how it was. It was common belief.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

She might be lying.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Jhhnn]

He might be lying.

No shit, Sherlock.

 

[zinfamous]

Didn't you see "devil's advocate?" He doesn't believe any of that. But if I might add to what you wrote, let's not forget that boys weren't taught properly either. They were taught that no sometimes means yes. We know that's wrong, but that's how it was. It was common belief.

I never had to be taught that rape was wrong. I also was never taught that no sometimes meant yes.

What kind of piece of shit learns such a piece of shit lesson from such piece of shit parents or mentors? And even if that's what they learned...what kind of worthless excuse is that? Seriously--what the holy fuck?

 

[mect]

Didn't you see "devil's advocate?" He doesn't believe any of that. But if I might add to what you wrote, let's not forget that boys weren't taught properly either. They were taught that no sometimes means yes. We know that's wrong, but that's how it was. It was common belief.

Playing devil's advocate is lame when you're just mirroring the right wing talking points of the last 20 years.
And yes, I agree, boys weren't taught as well back then. Still doesn't justify sexual assault in my mind. I have a lot more understanding for victims that didn't know how to respond appropriately than for violent criminals that weren't taught appropriately, particularly when the majority of people still knew it was wrong. Additionally, I might be willing to show a little more understanding for the offender if there was even a small sign of contrition, even a whiff of humility. But if he's going to just present himself as an entitled, pretentious asshole, my empathy just vanishes.

 

[crashtech]

I never had to be taught that rape was wrong. I also was never taught that no sometimes meant yes.

What kind of piece of shit learns such a piece of shit lesson from such piece of shit parents or mentors? And even if that's what they learned...what kind of worthless excuse is that? Seriously--what the holy fuck?

Mostly that kind of crap comes from peers. But since I think everything you wrote is a gross mischaracterization of my remark, I really got nothing else for you.

 

[crashtech]

Playing devil's advocate is lame when you're just mirroring the right wing talking points of the last 20 years.
And yes, I agree, boys weren't taught as well back then. Still doesn't justify sexual assault in my mind. I have a lot more understanding for victims that didn't know how to respond appropriately than for violent criminals that weren't taught appropriately. Additionally, I might be willing to show a little more understanding for the offender if there was even a small sign of contrition, even a whiff of humility. But if he's going to just present himself as an entitled, pretentious asshole, my empathy just vanishes.

Yeah, I understand how you feel. I personally am ready to vomit at the sanctimonious posturing of Democrats, who only use morals as a weapon against those who profess to have them. Possessing none themselves, it is entirely without compunction with which they drag the country along the gutter for as long as it takes to get their way. It's clear that there is no low too low for Democrats, and why I know now I will never be one. I did have have some doubts there for a while, but this ordeal has removed them for me.

 

[IronWing]

Yeah, I understand how you feel. I personally am ready to vomit at the sanctimonious posturing of Democrats, who only use morals as a weapon against those who profess to have them. Possessing none themselves, it is entirely without compunction with which they drag the country along the gutter for as long as it takes to get their way. It's clear that there is no low too low for Democrats, and why I know now I will never be one. I did have have some doubts there for a while, but this ordeal has removed them for me.

Republicans professing to have morals doesn't mean that they actually do.

 

[mect]

Yeah, I understand how you feel. I personally am ready to vomit at the sanctimonious posturing of Democrats, who only use morals as a weapon against those who profess to have them. Possessing none themselves, it is entirely without compunction with which they drag the country along the gutter for as long as it takes to get their way. It's clear that there is no low too low for Democrats, and why I know now I will never be one. I did have have some doubts there for a while, but this ordeal has removed them for me.

I see you prefer the company of liars, sex offenders, wife beaters, pedophiles, and those that justify and support them in the name of maintaining the good old boys club. And that's just from the last couple of years.

 

[crashtech]

Republicans professing to have morals doesn't mean that they actually do.

Absolutely true.

 

[Paratus]

Yeah, I understand how you feel. I personally am ready to vomit at the sanctimonious posturing of Democrats, who only use morals as a weapon against those who profess to have them. Possessing none themselves, it is entirely without compunction with which they drag the country along the gutter for as long as it takes to get their way. It's clear that there is no low too low for Democrats, and why I know now I will never be one. I did have have some doubts there for a while, but this ordeal has removed them for me.

Talk about some flexible morals.

 

[crashtech]

I see you prefer the company of liars, sex offenders, wife beaters, pedophiles, and those that justify and support them in the name of maintaining the good old boys club. And that's just from the last couple of years.

Hey, at least the R's leave their victims alive. Brett might have taken a page from Teddy's book, if you are going to do wrong, don't leave witnesses.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Republicans professing to have morals doesn't mean that they actually do.

pretty sure instead of "party of family values" it should be "party of blatant hypocrisy"

 

[crashtech]

Talk about some flexible morals.

Spot on, just not the way you mean. Dems being amoral means they can feign outrage at pretty much anything, as long as it's a political opponent doing it at the time. It's 100% political opportunism, all the time. In a way, it's admirable.

 

[HomerJS]

lol @ the democrats

such a pathetic attempt to stop kavanaugh

I'm sure you are the type of gullible idiot that tolerates Kavanaugh level of lying by people in you life.

 

[HomerJS]

What happened to the sex stuff? When did we move on to lying about beer drinking etc. as being an even more horrible character flaw? I don't even like Kavanaugh, but as basically an outside observer it appears as if the left has gone completely insane over this guy, again reminding me of history. It's about the biggest temper tantrum I've ever seen, and if it's successful, they'll only get worse and more frequent.

Personally I think I am going to revisit some historical sources regarding how the choice was made to give the POTUS power over SCOTUS nominations. I don't see a whole lot of discussion about that; if there is widespread discontent, then perhaps it's time to revisit how things are done.

Why bother putting candidates under oath if lying in of itself isn't a subject?

 

[HomerJS]

Possibly. Although 36 years is a pretty long time to tell yourself a different story about who you are, and memory is most assuredly shaped by our internal narratives. In that respect, a great many of us could be considered pathological by your standard.

I guess you level of understanding and empathy would be zero for all those 12 year old boys who got hand jobs from priests and were too ashamed to come out until decades later.

 

[jackstar7]

Yet you dont [sic] deny the double standard that you are a part of. Good job.

What are you on about, dude?

 

[HomerJS]

Fixed it for you.

Cite one time Ford has lied during her testimony.
Cite one time Ford evaded questions during her testimony.

Can't say the same for Kavanaugh.

 

[crashtech]

I guess you level of understanding and empathy would be zero for all those 12 year old boys who got hand jobs from priests and were too ashamed to come out until decades later.

That's a little different than anything being alleged here. Those were persons in a position of trust and authority, taking advantage of the young and innocent, kind of like what Bill did to Monica.

 

[jackstar7]

I know I can remember a prominent politician who lied under oath and nobody seemed to care.

Trump? Dude, we all care. Also not hard to remember, it's every damn day.

When you're done equivocating, we'll probably stop shitting all over your terrible equivocations. I mean it logically follows.