Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

[MrSquished]

Some opinions at NYTimes. Just read the 1st which gives hope. Adler says the margin in the Senate is not enough for GOP to nation-wide ban abortion, gut the Civil Service, get us out of NATO, confirm RFKJr for a cabinet position or elevate Aileen Cannon to the SCOTUS.

The link below is paywall busting for 14 days, so until Nov. 22, 2024

Opinion | The Point: Conversations and insights about the moment.

www.nytimes.com

Not that comforting. A huge point of Project 2025 is to weaponize the federal government so it can supercede congress if that is an obstacle. They have already planned to circumvent obstacles like this. Sure it may slow them down a bit, but not long enough. But only time will tell. The smarter fascists in the room have already calculated for this.

 

[dainthomas]

Well, he claims they are going to cut taxes so much that they will offset the cost of tariffs. Supposedly. Didn't he even float the idea of no taxes altogether?

It sounds laughable but if Elon recommends gutting 90% of the government, I guess they don't need any revenue at that point? (I'm not saying this is a good idea, only that this is how they might try to make the numbers work)

If tarrifs don't cost consumers anything, as he says, why would the costs need to be offset?

 

[ondma]

If you want to be mad at somebody be mad at voters who are like "Yeah he says some crazy stuff but I don't believe any of it even through if I am wrong it could, quite horribly, impact me personally"

Or maybe the Dems could ask themselves: what could we change about our message that would not drive moderates and independents to a bats**t crazy felonious dictator wanna be like Trump. The electorate "is what it is", you have to learn to live with it. It doesnt help to call them stupid, or racist, or sexist; it just drives them further away. Unfortunately, there are probably 35% full on MAGAs that will never be reached, but the dems certainly didnt get their message across to the rest.

 

[MrSquished]

They are going to gut any part of the Federal government that doesn't help the wealthy. So yes, it will affect a shit ton of people. Not to mention, those federal jobs pump a ton of money into the economy. It's gonna be a giant shit show - the economy will take a big hit, and the things many folks take for granted are going to disappear.

 

[MrSquished]

Or maybe the Dems could ask themselves: what could we change about our message that would not drive moderates and independents to a bats**t crazy felonious dictator wanna be like Trump. The electorate "is what it is", you have to learn to live with it. It doesnt help to call them stupid, or racist, or sexist; it just drives them further away. Unfortunately, there are probably 35% full on MAGAs that will never be reached, but the dems certainly didnt get their message across to the rest.

Maybe that's kind of hard when you have a mainstream media both sidesing the parties and making Trump look kinda sane. And that there is a massive right wing mediasphere that just floods the zone with shit and overwhelms Democratic messaging.

I mean I'm not saying the Dem messaging can't improve, but YOu keep refusing to think about the actual big picture and it's starting to become super annoying.

how about getting a Tim Walz sex doll and getting some of your frustrations out there?

 

[Brainonska511]

If the alternative was sticking with Biden then yes. Indisputably the correct decision.

Given that the areas with heavy campaigning saw less of a Trump swing, coupled with strong, global anti-incumbent sentiment, I think we can indisputably say she ran a fine campaign given the landscape.

I find it relatively laughable that a Democrat independent of whoever was in the White House selected via primary wouldn't face the same sort of incumbent backlash. Median voters are quite stupid and you'd just see a whole bunch of "Democrats have been in charge during this period of time making me unhappy".

 

[Brainonska511]

The DSA is calling you!

The DSA would rather critique power than build and exercise it.

 

[ondma]

Given that the areas with heavy campaigning saw less of a Trump swing, coupled with strong, global anti-incumbent sentiment, I think we can indisputably say she ran a fine campaign given the landscape.

I find it relatively laughable that a Democrat independent of whoever was in the White House selected via primary wouldn't face the same sort of incumbent backlash. Median voters are quite stupid and you'd just see a whole bunch of "Democrats have been in charge during this period of time making me unhappy".

I have to disagree with your second part, or at least think it could have made a difference if the Dems had selected a candidate perhaps not directly involved with the Biden administration. Maybe a governor for instance, or a senator or congressman.. Even a cabinet member like Mayor Pete could have distanced himself better from Biden than Kamala did.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I can't think for you. You've made up your mind. Good luck with that.

Posting a video and saying watch it really isn't a convincing argument IMO.

 

[nakedfrog]

The DSA would rather critique power than build and exercise it.

If he's looking for somewhere to go because the DNC is dis-satisfying, where should he turn? I don't know much about them, TBH, I just know some folks aligned with them that are good people.

 

[Sunburn74]

Some opinions at NYTimes. Just read the 1st which gives hope. Alter says the margin in the Senate is not enough for GOP to nation-wide ban abortion, gut the Civil Service, get us out of NATO, confirm RFKJr for a cabinet position or elevate Aileen Cannon to the SCOTUS. And he credits the Democratic get out the vote people for that.

The link below is paywall busting for 14 days, so until Nov. 22, 2024

Opinion | The Point: Conversations and insights about the moment.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah this is cope... pure copium.
It's like tripping and falling ass backwards onto a sword and saying "well it was my great skill with falling that let the sword only impale me in my buttcheek and NOT directly up my asshole"
They never should have lost and it never should even have been close. Similarly if the senate filibuster is all that keeps us from MAGA tyranny, God help us all.

 

[ivwshane]

No, I'll stay pissed at the dipshit DNC for picking a trash candidate who couldn't drive turnout when it was crystal clear a year ago Biden was dead in the water and the party needed to go in a whole new direction.

Just an fyi, it doesn’t matter who the candidate was, people were tuned out and have not been paying attention to what’s going on in politics. Have you personally met a single informed voter? I’ve met people who had a rough idea what was going on but not enough to have any confidence in the electorate that having a “better” candidate would have made any difference to the uninformed voters.

 

[Muse]

Posting a video and saying watch it really isn't a convincing argument IMO.

@WelshBloke extolled her concession speech a couple pages back or so but didn't link it. I watched the YT video of it and was very impressed, and had to agree with Bloke's sentiments and resolved to post the link to the video. What more do I need to say? You are super pissed at the Dems for losing. Your posts are dark with your anger. You piss on my post. Bleh. TBH I'm looking for hope now, to fight off despondency. I have my life to live. Gotta do my best. Your blame and negativity are not helping.
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Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, but the realization of how much you already have.

 

[nakedfrog]

Once again, the media was also out there doing the dirty for Trump, and now we have "sane-washing" as a word. This, after all their hand-wringing about helping him get elected the first time. It really took a collective effort for America to fuck this one up, good job, billionaires, please continue burning down our children's futures so your line will go up!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Something unrelated i'm curious about, how many voters actually vote for the president but not for the house/senate?

Checking PA for instance, there's one district I guess unreported, but otherwise a bit shy of 6.4m votes for house members, but a total of 6.8m for president. Assuming that last district is less than 400k, why the discrepancy?

 

[IronWing]

Something unrelated i'm curious about, how many voters actually vote for the president but not for the house/senate?

Checking PA for instance, there's one district I guess unreported, but otherwise a bit shy of 6.4m votes for house members, but a total of 6.8m for president. Assuming that last district is less than 400k, why the discrepancy?

Were the elections contested? If there is only one candidate to vote for and I don't want that candidate, I'll skip voting on that contest.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Were the elections contested? If there is only one candidate to vote for and I don't want that candidate, I'll skip voting on that contest.

In each of them in PA, aside from the unreported one, yes.

In GA it was the same thing, though less of discrepancy (5,243,724 for president vs 5,125,555 for house)

 

[Brainonska511]

If he's looking for somewhere to go because the DNC is dis-satisfying, where should he turn? I don't know much about them, TBH, I just know some folks aligned with them that are good people.

My main view of the DSA is having watched them push members away that actually get elected, undercutting their own power. Examples include: AOC losing their endorsement, or a very local progressive state rep in MA who was expelled (or left before he was about to be expelled).

 

[K1052]

Given that the areas with heavy campaigning saw less of a Trump swing, coupled with strong, global anti-incumbent sentiment, I think we can indisputably say she ran a fine campaign given the landscape.

If Biden ran even a point or two behind what she managed there would be huge down ballot carnage. My only real disappointment is Casey losing. Considering the time allotted and inherited environment I have no substantial complaints about her campaign.

 

[QueBert]

Why should we? She cost us the republic.

Idiot voters are who I blame, it should have instantly been [insert name] > Trump for any non MAGA who voted. Was Kamala the best? Nope, but she was running against him. MAGAs gonna MAGA and there's no getting thru to them. But a good number of undecided and minorities who weren't team Trump voted for him because they think he can fix the cost of shit. Apparently, it's okay if the president is a rapist, felon and habitual liar if he's able to make eggs $2 a dozen again. Except food won't drop in price, and with his plans for tariff, shit will end up costing more. Their short sidedness is truly stunning.

The country's overran with stupid shit for brain people, and Trump attracts them like a fly to a pile of horse shit. Seeing how any Democratic candidate would have been a better choice than him. I don't know who could have beaten him really. Hindsights's always 20/20, someone else might have done better, and maybe even beaten him. But based on everything I saw campaign wise, I believed she had a real shot and even thought she was going to win pretty easily. But I severely underestimated just how low the average IQ is in America lol.

The non MAGAs who voted for him will see what a dumb move they made when nothing he's claiming will happen, outside of the mass deportation and revenge. The MAGAs will blame everyone but him. I respect her because she gave it her all, but the ginormous wall of stupidity that is the American public was too much to overcome.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Idiot voters are who I blame, it should have instantly been [insert name] > Trump for any non MAGA who voted. Was Kamala the best? Nope, but she was running against him. MAGAs gonna MAGA and there's no getting thru to them. But a good number of undecided and minorities who weren't team Trump voted for him because they think he can fix the cost of shit. Apparently, it's okay if the president is a rapist, felon and habitual liar if he's able to make eggs $2 a dozen again. Except food won't drop in price, and with his plans for tariff, shit will end up costing more. Their short sidedness is truly stunning.

The country's overran with stupid shit for brain people, and Trump attracts them like a fly to a pile of horse shit. Seeing how any Democratic candidate would have been a better choice than him. I don't know who could have beaten him really. Hindsights's always 20/20, someone else might have done better, and maybe even beaten him. But based on everything I saw campaign wise, I believed she had a real shot and even thought she was going to win pretty easily. But I severely underestimated just how low the average IQ is in America lol.

The non MAGAs who voted for him will see what a dumb move they made when nothing he's claiming will happen, outside of the mass deportation and revenge. The MAGAs will blame everyone but him. I respect her because she gave it her all, but the ginormous wall of stupidity that is the American public was too much to overcome.

This election looks to be about turnout. Trump looks like he's only going to finish a little above the 74 million votes he got in 2020 when he lost by 4.5 points. But it was enough this time to win the popular vote by 3 points. Yeah it's a sad statement of where America is but the fascists cannot be beaten without a candidate that motivates the base and Kamala didn't. Which should have been obvious would happen because she didn't win anything in the 2020 primaries. Trump is the candidate the right wing media has engineered their viewers to want for the last 30 years and when they control so much of the nation's media their message they beat like a drum into their viewers has set in. Basically all of radio is controlled by ClearChannel who turned it into a right wing cesspool. Fox News dominates cable news and ultra right wing Sinclair dominates local news via owning so many TV stations. Their viewers are 99% unreachable so you have to motivate your base and the Democrats keep picking candidates who don't.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

@WelshBloke extolled her concession speech a couple pages back or so but didn't link it. I watched the YT video of it and was very impressed, and had to agree with Bloke's sentiments and resolved to post the link to the video. What more do I need to say? You are super pissed at the Dems for losing. Your posts are dark with your anger. You piss on my post. Bleh. TBH I'm looking for hope now, to fight off despondency. I have my life to live. Gotta do my best. Your blame and negativity are not helping.
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Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, but the realization of how much you already have.

I asked you why I should watch it and you haven't given a good reason. And how can you not be pissed at the Democrats for losing an election that cost us the republic? Why should I be positive when Trump has just been elected with the powers of a king? Why should I be positive when Sotomayor's legal opinion is that Trump can order Seal Team Six to murder his political opponents with no legal repercussion? Am I supposed to think Trump, the man who says he will jail his opponents, the man who called on his brownshirts to assassinate Hillary Clinton, the man mentored by Roy Cohn, the man who instigated a coup when he lost the 2020 election, is not going to use these unchecked powers he now has? Why would my posts about this nation be anything but dark when confronted with this certainty?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Just an fyi, it doesn’t matter who the candidate was, people were tuned out and have not been paying attention to what’s going on in politics. Have you personally met a single informed voter? I’ve met people who had a rough idea what was going on but not enough to have any confidence in the electorate that having a “better” candidate would have made any difference to the uninformed voters.

Ugh yet another the people are stupid, we picked the right candidate DNC apologist. Trump is hated in this nation, he wasn't unbeatable. But you're not going to beat him with a candidate who generates no voter enthusiasm because he has an extremely enthusiastic base.

 

[ivwshane]

Ugh yet another the people are stupid, we picked the right candidate DNC apologist. Trump is hated in this nation, he wasn't unbeatable. But you're not going to beat him with a candidate who generates no voter enthusiasm because he has an extremely enthusiastic base.

Her approvals were higher than his, try again but this time try using facts over feels.

Btw, did you notice how you didn’t answer my question?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Her approvals were higher than his, try again but this time try using facts over feels.

Btw, did you notice how you didn’t answer my question?

Of course I have met informed voters, what kind of ridiculous question is that? If Trump had 80 million votes maybe I'd see your argument being more legitimate but it doesn't look like he will finish anywhere near that. I looks like he will finish around 74 million votes which is what he got last election. But that same vote total swung Trump from a 4.5 point loss in 2020 to a 3 point win in 2024. That screams Harris couldn't turn out the base.