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[SteveGrabowski]

You are a bigger fool than you realize. You think a “better” candidate can counter the rights narrative across multiple media platforms? You are grasping at straws without looking at what’s been happening. A fucking right wing billionaire bought the biggest social media platform and you haven’t even given a thought about how that could have impacted anything. Let me know when you find this mythical Jesus candidate so I can show you how the right will turn them into the devil.

2016 Biden would have been a mythical Jesus candidate? It's unreal how much you liberals keep pretending the DNC did nothing wrong and keep making excuses for them.

 

[Brainonska511]

Center left only by the standards of the American overton window. For example on healthcare they're way to the right of the rest of the developed world.

Healthcare is not the only metric. On many social issues and immigration, Democrats are largely to the left of so-called left parties in Europe which are often used in these fairly useless comparisons.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Healthcare is not the only metric. On many social issues and immigration, Democrats are largely to the left of so-called left parties in Europe which are often used in these fairly useless comparisons.

OK how about on education? Economically they're certainly not center left. They're only center left on the culture war.

 

[Brainonska511]

OK how about on education? Economically they're certainly not center left. They're only center left on the culture war.

And how are they not "left" on education? Expanding pre-K and kindergarten access and trying to make some types of college free are not left?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

And how are they not "left" on education? Expanding pre-K and kindergarten access and trying to make some types of college free are not left?

US public college education has been for profit for what now, 50-55 years? Center left would be having college paid for by taxes like the rest of the developed world instead of saddling young people with mountains of debt. It's no wonder our birth rates are so terrible when you combine crushing educational debt necessary for the right to work with the insane cost of housing.

 

[akugami]

He put Betsy DeVos in charge of Education.

He put Amy Barret on the SCOTUS.

He made Scott Pruit, climate change denier, head of the EPA!

He wants to put Herschel fucking Walker in command of the US Missile Shield - not a joke.

In 2016 he was asking Putin who he should have in his admin FFS




I guess I don't understand your skepticism regarding Il Douche's appointment history

Well obviously it's going to be an all out street fight between RFK JR and Ladapo for the post of surgeon general. Because only the best!

 

[Brainonska511]

US public college education has been for profit for what now, 50-55 years? Center left would be having college paid for by taxes like the rest of the developed world instead of saddling young people with mountains of debt. It's no wonder our birth rates are so terrible when you combine crushing educational debt necessary for the right to work with the insane cost of housing.

Where is public education "for profit"? Plenty of public and state schools to choose from where your outlays won't be like paying sticker price for Harvard. Further, the median college debt is circa $30k. I would hardly call that "crushing" when people routinely take out that much or more for a new car purchase. I agree that it can be burdensome for some, but it's still totally worth getting that degree based on lifetime earnings. Plus, the fixes to loan repayment programs makes it easier to pay back or get loan forgiveness.

But I agree that housing is a big freaking issue: but take that up with the Moonbeams of the world, who would die if something as large as a duplex dared to enter his neighborhood, or the city dwellers against the urbanization of their urban environment. But then this also comes down to national Democrats are not always the same as local ones.

 

[akugami]

May have started already!

As someone who lives in PA and voted straight Democrat, I'm only going to laugh. I already stated in a previous post that I'm in FYGM mode.

Put that 20% tariff on everything. Tariffs definitely will take money out of our pockets, but for my household, we can just tighten our belts and it's something we have the ability to absorb.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Where is public education "for profit"? Plenty of public and state schools to choose from where your outlays won't be like paying sticker price for Harvard. Further, the median college debt is circa $30k. I would hardly call that "crushing" when people routinely take out that much or more for a new car purchase. I agree that it can be burdensome for some, but it's still totally worth getting that degree based on lifetime earnings. Plus, the fixes to loan repayment programs makes it easier to pay back or get loan forgiveness.

Come on, colleges are not for profit like the NFL was not for profit.

 

[Indus]

Why should we? She cost us the republic.

This

As someone who lives in PA and voted straight Democrat, I'm only going to laugh. I already stated in a previous post that I'm in FYGM mode.

Put that 20% tariff on everything. Tariffs definitely will take money out of our pockets, but for my household, we can just tighten our belts and it's something we have the ability to absorb.

Very true but what effects me personally is the cost of milk, eggs, bread, olive oil, jasmine and basmati rice and some asian sauces.

I remember under Obama the prices were roughly the same.. then they went up under Trump.. and then stabilized now they're looking to go up again.

Absolutely no reason Sriracha should go from $3 to $9 and counting.. I'll just have to do without it.

The car insurance and home insurance are the biggest increases of over 20% and I didn't have any claims.

Will have to tighten what I can.. thankfully my ford explorer is cheaper to maintain and fix than previous Toyota.

As my dad often says.. these bad policies will effect everyone.. not just us.

 

[cytg111]

May have started already!

And the finding out part is just getting started.

But will they really? I mean find out? I doubt most wont. They'll just eat the shit sandwich and plead for one more.

 

[Brainonska511]

Come on, colleges are not for profit like the NFL was not for profit.

Something like 3/4 of students attend public colleges and universities. Are you trying to say that state institutions are operating as pseudo "for profit" ventures?

Just because Harvard is an investment bank with a school attached doesn't mean that all other schools, private and public, are operating the same way.

 

[pmv]

Despite the internet propaganda, the national Democratic party is generally center left, but as a big tent and the nature of some local politics, there can be a bit of variation.

People in Gaza might disagree.

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour was centre-left, Starmer is significantly to the right of him, the Democrats are to the right of even Starmer.
They are clearly way to the right of what was once (in my childhood) considered centre-left, the pre-Blair Labour Party, say.

The Democrats have always been on the right, they are a pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist party, and always have been.

 

[Brainonska511]

People in Gaza might disagree.

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour was centre-left, Starmer is significantly to the right of him, the Democrats are to the right of even Starmer.
They are clearly way to the right of what was once (in my childhood) considered centre-left, the pre-Blair Labour Party, say.

The Democrats have always been on the right, they are a pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist party, and always have been.

Again: single issue doesn't make everyone "left" vs "right", and it certainly wasn't the opinion of the entire Democratic party.

 

[akugami]

This



Very true but what effects me personally is the cost of milk, eggs, bread, olive oil, jasmine and basmati rice and some asian sauces.

I remember under Obama the prices were roughly the same.. then they went up under Trump.. and then stabilized now they're looking to go up again.

Absolutely no reason Sriracha should go from $3 to $9 and counting.. I'll just have to do without it.

The car insurance and home insurance are the biggest increases of over 20% and I didn't have any claims.

Will have to tighten what I can.. thankfully my ford explorer is cheaper to maintain and fix than previous Toyota.

As my dad often says.. these bad policies will effect everyone.. not just us.

I'm Asian. Aside from local produce such as vegetables and meat, a lot of what my household buys is imported. But my household's combined income is above the median for PA, so while this will hurt our pocketbooks, it's something we are able to absorb. We won't like it, but we can make it work.

As for Sriracha, if you're talking about the Huy Fong brand one (the rooster brand), that is pure greed on the part of Huy Fong, and a mess up of epic proportions. Their chilies are all US grown, or were at that time. So the price increase had nothing to do with imports. Read about it here for some insights on what happened. Huy Fong Sriracha has decreased in quality due to crappy chilies.

I've been in the market for a new car, it's something we can afford, but I haven't wanted to pay $70k for a new car. Still waiting for prices to become sane.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

People in Gaza might disagree.

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour was centre-left, Starmer is significantly to the right of him, the Democrats are to the right of even Starmer.
They are clearly way to the right of what was once (in my childhood) considered centre-left, the pre-Blair Labour Party, say.

The Democrats have always been on the right, they are a pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist party, and always have been.

At some point, people have to stop blaming every goddamned thing on the planet on Americans and the Democratic party specifically.

Whether we intervene in the ME or not, someone has a problem. Whether we aid Isreal or not, someone has a problem. Whether we nuke fucking Moscow or not, someone has a problem.

We cannot collectively decide whether we want the US to be the world police because our brains aren't evolved enough to handle a problem of this scale.

 

[Brainonska511]

I've been in the market for a new car, it's something we can afford, but I haven't wanted to pay $70k for a new car. Still waiting for prices to become sane.

I bought an Elantra Hybrid for <$30k during some of the supply shortages, and it has a lot of nice features in the base model. Had to wait 6 months just to pay MSRP (and today, they are still available for <$30k). There are certainly vehicles out there new that don't cost an arm and a leg, but that generally means compromising a little on size and super premium fancy features.

Auto manufacturers have spent billions in very successful advertising over the last 20 years convincing Americans that they need and really want to buy larger and larger vehicles.

 

[ivwshane]

2016 Biden would have been a mythical Jesus candidate? It's unreal how much you liberals keep pretending the DNC did nothing wrong and keep making excuses for them.

Exactly! He wasn’t done mythical candidates, he was the only guy almost everyone already knew. He was Obama’s vp and everyone loved Obama. However Obama would have lost in 2024 with the amount of bs the right was spewing across every platform.

 

[MrSquished]

Oh, you are one of the uneducated people who don't understand how elections work or what purpose of an optional primary is for, which is not to chose a candidate, but to chose deligates. Those deligates don't even have to vote for who won the primary.

You do realize that when Biden stepped down anyone could have challenged her for the deligates for the DNC nomination, right? Yet, nobody did, and they wouldn't have if there was a primary either.

You sound like the same MAGA idiots screaming the same tiresome bullshit about her not earning the nomination because there was no primary.

To compare the time when Biden stepped down in July versus having a proper primary back when it was supposed to happen it's just so intellectually dishonest.

That's actually what's like Maga here, how dishonest that comparison is.

 

[K1052]

I bought an Elantra Hybrid for <$30k during some of the supply shortages, and it has a lot of nice features in the base model. Had to wait 6 months just to pay MSRP (and today, they are still available for <$30k). There are certainly vehicles out there new that don't cost an arm and a leg, but that generally means compromising a little on size and super premium fancy features.

Auto manufacturers have spent billions in very successful advertising over the last 20 years convincing Americans that they need and really want to buy larger and larger vehicles.

I only buy used CPO off lease vehicles now. See no reason to take the big first day deprecation hit personally an having a "new" vehicle isn't something I obsess over.

 

[Brainonska511]

I only buy used CPO off lease vehicles now. See no reason to take the big first day deprecation hit personally an having a "new" vehicle isn't something I obsess over.

Yes, there is always this option.

However, one thing I heard recently from my brother (who was looking to buy a car) is that loans for used vehicles are higher than new vehicle promotions, and the cost difference between low-mileage used vs new can still make the new car a better deal overall.

 

[RalphTheCow]

The car insurance and home insurance are the biggest increases of over 20% and I didn't have any claims.

For home insurance you can partially thank climate change. Trump will fix that though.

 

[MrSquished]

Let's not forget one thing. No matter the mistakes of the Dems, that does not make Trump less evil, nor the people that voted for him. It's not like the evil of Trump has not been known for nine years, nor were his evil plans not made clear this election - it was all out there. The people who voted for him got turned on by it. Period. That's the GREATEST tragedy of all here, not Democratic flaws. Don't forget, ultimately these evil people and that evil party are the biggest flaw of all.

 

[K1052]

Yes, there is always this option.

However, one thing I heard recently from my brother (who was looking to buy a car) is that loans for used vehicles are higher than new vehicle promotions, and the cost difference between low-mileage used vs new can still make the new car a better deal overall.

Yeah this could be an issue now. Though I don't finance when I buy (always have a trade in and pay the balance). Usually takes a few minutes for the dealer to mentally process that I am not using financing...they've even done the paperwork wrong before and asked for a credit check...lol no.

 

[trenchfoot]

May have started already!

To cover up this monumental fuck-up they perpetrated, their minds will be very busy attempting to and succeeding in rationalizing their way around it because not any of them will admit they screwed themselves over, especially to themselves. Sad that their laziness, stupidity and ignorance is making the rest of us pay for it.

Trust in Trump. What could go wrong, eh?