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Stokely

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I'd be more surprised if trump dropped out than anything else he's done or said, and I've been surprised a lot.

Who would the Republicans run that could win (if the premise is, he'll be pardoned)? They have a stable full of absolute boobs. Part of that is because anyone with an actual spine gets shit on by their own side, called a RINO among other not-so-nice names. Trump has the reins to the cult car, they won't easily switch to a boring old regular politician (like Romney or McCain level).

People say the democrats eat their own, but look at the GOP-led House over the past couple years. Trump is an extremist but barely extreme enough for some of them, while there's others who hold their nose and support him. Without him there I really doubt the GOP would coalesce fast enough for this election--to be fair, I am shocked the Democrats did behind Harris so quickly, so I guess anything's possible.

Trump knows he can't stop the criminal trials unless he's President. He has to know the Republicans in general will toss him aside like yesterday's news as fast as they did Jeb!, Cruz, Rubio and the rest of them in 2016 in Trump's favor.
 
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Aharami said:
This. Pretty much this.
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I need some solid, verifiable evidence that either of you actually thinks this divided country will ever rise above something as radical as that.

Obama doesn’t count…
 
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"Who would the Republicans run that could win ... "

Nikki (Nimrata)

Indian American Female vs Indian American Female.


But back to that old bit ... "Pubs have already had their convention and formal nomination, so how would they do it?
 
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iRONic said:
I need some solid, verifiable evidence that either of you actually thinks this divided country will ever rise above something as radical as that.

Obama doesn’t count…
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one can hope for the best, but still remain practical. This way I won't be too disappointed when Trump wins again
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
"Who would the Republicans run that could win ... "

Nikki (Nimrata)

Indian American Female vs Indian American Female.


But back to that old bit ... "Pubs have already had their convention and formal nomination, so how would they do it?
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There is a process if the GOP wanted to replace Trump.

From the conventions to when ballots are printed
The national conventions are a key turning point in our hypothetical calendar. Before them, primary voters, or delegates selected through the primary process, would still have the ability to choose their party's nominee. After the conventions, though, the Democratic and Republican national committees would inherit that power.

Both the DNC and the RNC have enshrined in their rules a process for how to fill a vacancy on the party's ticket after the formal nomination has already taken place. For Democrats, there is only one option: Chairman Jamie Harrison would confer with Democratic leadership in Congress and the Democratic Governors Association and would then take the decision to the DNC, according to the party's call to convention.

The 483 members of the DNC — who comprise the chairs and vice chairs of each state Democratic Party committee as well as members elected from all 56 states and territories, plus Democrats Abroad — would vote on a new nominee. There are no rules governing who the nominee has to be; the nomination would not, for instance, just go to the former nominee's running mate or the person who won the second-most delegates in the primaries. They just need to get a majority of party members to vote for them.

Experts say that could be a political mess, with various factions of the party pressuring members to choose one nominee or another. "They would have all sorts of internal politicking. There would be competition between various factions within the party," Richard Pildes, a professor of constitutional law at New York University Law School, told 538.

For their part, Republicans have two options for filling a vacancy, according to the party's rules. Like the Democrats, they could choose to have their committee members vote. There are three RNC members per state and territory, but they get to cast the same number of votes their state or territory's delegation was entitled to cast during the Republican National Convention. If members of a delegation aren't in agreement on who to support, their state or territory's votes would be divided equally among them. In order to become the nominee, a candidate must secure a majority of votes.

But the RNC is also "authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies" by reconvening the national convention.

In either case, the results of all of the primaries and caucuses would no longer formally matter. While the primary results would be one source of information for the members (if they vote) or delegates (if they reconvene the convention), they wouldn't be bound to choose the person who came in second in the primaries. They don't even have to choose somebody who ran in the primary.

Beyond their distinct rules, Pildes did not think there would be much difference between how Democrats and Republicans would deal with a candidate's death. The RNC is much smaller than the DNC, which could have an impact. "It's always easier to reach decisions in a smaller body than a larger body, and so that might be a significant difference in the way the two parties are governed," Pildes said. "But other than that, I don't think there's a dramatic difference."

From when ballots are printed to Election Day
However, if either party nominee dropped out or passed away after ballots were printed, then it would be too late to officially replace them on the ballot. In that scenario, millions of Americans would cast ballots for the inactive candidate with the understanding that their Electoral College votes would really go to someone else — probably someone designated by the DNC or RNC.

"The reality is, when you vote for president, you're never voting for that person. You're voting for the elector to cast a ballot for that person at the Electoral College meeting in December," Brown said. "I would imagine what would happen is that parties would indicate to the electors who they should vote for."
 
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Such a distasteful shit sandwich!

“"The reality is, when you vote for president, you're never voting for that person. You're voting for the elector to cast a ballot for that person at the Electoral College meeting in December," Brown said. "I would imagine what would happen is that parties would indicate to the electors who they should vote for."”
 
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Heeeery im in good company.. I too aired that possibility... He will demand pardons from his replacement of course
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Honestly, if I were Joe, I'd seriously consider it. IF it got Donny to agree (by written contract) to stay out of politics until he died. That might even need a Guilty Plea, with Joe commuting any sentence.
 
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A minority woman running for the GOP.....while I'm sure it might get people in the mushy middle who don't like Harris for whatever reason, the Republican base is mostly white and male. My guess is that she'd lose in the biggest landslide in history as they'd just stay home. They seem to be heading more toward the "woman, get into the kitchen and make me a sammich then pop me out another kid" side of things.

The GOP's best chance (IMO) is to keep working to get minorities to support their old white dudes. Maybe get better at election fraud. When's the last time they didn't run an old white dude, with GWB being a bit of an exception on the "old" part. Maybe never? They've had some success, even though I happen to think that's like chickens voting for KFC, but whatever.

From what I just quickly looked up, there are 27 black women in Congress, all Democrats.
  • Mia Love (R-UT) was the first Republican Black woman to serve in the U.S. Congress, serving in the U.S. House of Representatives from 2015 to 2019. No other Black Republican woman has served in Congress.
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Yeah, so that's Congress. Exactly one black Republican woman has ever been elected. I can't imagine one being elected for President, not when the Democrats haven't managed it with a long history of black women Congress members.

So for me the question remains in the "what if Trump wasn't the candidate" thought experiment. Would they just run Vance? God I hope so. Romney is too old and got the RINO hatchet job (he is FAR, FAR from a democrat in policy). Cruz? (Better than Vance from my "hope they lose" perspective). Rubio? No clue who they'd trot out but none of these sound to me like they'd stand a chance.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Honestly, if I were Joe, I'd seriously consider it. IF it got Donny to agree (by written contract) to stay out of politics until he died. That might even need a Guilty Plea, with Joe commuting any sentence.
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That would be the only condition acceptable, for him to avoid jail time.
 
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Fuck no, because Trump would simply disregard that contract. If he gets in, no contract or law is going to matter.

He has a long history of breaking contracts and has launched something like 4000 lawsuits. Most of his partners he's ever had have been involved. He's been convicted of fraud.

Though I guess him breaking the contract and running isn't much different from just staying running, so maybe.
 
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iRONic said:
Such a distasteful shit sandwich!

“"The reality is, when you vote for president, you're never voting for that person. You're voting for the elector to cast a ballot for that person at the Electoral College meeting in December," Brown said. "I would imagine what would happen is that parties would indicate to the electors who they should vote for."”
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America isn't a direct democracy. Never has been.

America is a representative democracy. We vote for people who we hope will represent our interests best. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
 
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Stokely said:
A minority woman running for the GOP.....while I'm sure it might get people in the mushy middle who don't like Harris for whatever reason, the Republican base is mostly white and male. My guess is that she'd lose in the biggest landslide in history as they'd just stay home. They seem to be heading more toward the "woman, get into the kitchen and make me a sammich then pop me out another kid" side of things.

The GOP's best chance (IMO) is to keep working to get minorities to support their old white dudes. Maybe get better at election fraud. When's the last time they didn't run an old white dude, with GWB being a bit of an exception on the "old" part. Maybe never? They've had some success, even though I happen to think that's like chickens voting for KFC, but whatever.

From what I just quickly looked up, there are 27 black women in Congress, all Democrats.


Yeah, so that's Congress. Exactly one black Republican woman has ever been elected. I can't imagine one being elected for President, not when the Democrats haven't managed it with a long history of black women Congress members.

So for me the question remains in the "what if Trump wasn't the candidate" thought experiment. Would they just run Vance? God I hope so. Romney is too old and got the RINO hatchet job (he is FAR, FAR from a democrat in policy). Cruz? (Better than Vance from my "hope they lose" perspective). Rubio? No clue who they'd trot out but none of these sound to me like they'd stand a chance.
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Great points. One thing I wouldn't accuse the GOP of having is a "deep bench" of presidential candidates ready to step in. The 2016 GOP primaries were a sick, sick joke and 2024 wasn't much better (if at all). On paper, Nikki Haley is decent/capable but she still kissed Trump's ass just to safeguard her future in the party. And like you said, Haley would have a tough time with core elements of MAGA voters.
 
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Stokely said:
Fuck no, because Trump would simply disregard that contract. If he gets in, no contract or law is going to matter.

He has a long history of breaking contracts and has launched something like 4000 lawsuits. Most of his partners he's ever had have been involved. He's been convicted of fraud.

Though I guess him breaking the contract and running isn't much different from just staying running, so maybe.
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That's why I suggest a Guilty Plea. Put it in the court documents. Drop out, stay out or go to jail.
 
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JujuFish said:
What a weird statement. "America isn't a democracy. It's a democracy."
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Yea, I was trying to figure out if he meant to post the first sentence as a quote and was making fun of the MAGAs that trot out that line like it's some kind of gotcha.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
That's why I suggest a Guilty Plea. Put it in the court documents. Drop out, stay out or go to jail.
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Yeah, and as I wrote my reply I guess I came around to the idea of "why not, if he's going to run anyway." Make him add to his list of law-breaking.

All this is fantasy of course, but then so is Donald Freaking Trump as an ex-and-possibly-future POTUS. There's a reason he was chosen in that old Simpson's episode as the most ludicrous "future" candidate Matt G. could think of...
 
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JujuFish said:
What a weird statement. "America isn't a democracy. It's a democracy."
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Most people (and the dictionaries that I looked at) define democracy as a direct democracy. So my wording (while correct) was confusing. I added the word "direct" to it. But, you did incorrectly quote me. You removed the key word "representative".
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We are a form of democracy.

There are two forms of democracy, direct democracy and representative democracy.

What you're saying is akin to "we are humans, not mammals."
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I added the word "direct" to be more clear.
 
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dullard said:
Most people (and the dictionaries that I looked at) define democracy as a direct democracy. So my wording (while correct) was confusing. I added the word "direct" to it. But, you did incorrectly quote me. You removed the key word "representative".

I added the word "direct" to be more clear.
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A representative democracy is still a democracy. There is nothing misleading in what I wrote.
 
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