Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

[BoomerD]

Depends.

 

[jdubs03]

Stupid and disgusting. Yuck.

 

[HomerJS]

I think, maybe, at some level people don't much _care_ what the cause of the inflation is? They just want somebody to make it stop. It probably causes irrational anger that then merges with the (even more irrational) anger about immigration (at least with inflation it's obvious what it is that people don't like about it, the anxiety about immigration - here as well as there - seems much harder to pin down to specifics).

People expect the system to work, and when it doesn't seem to be working they want to lash out (and burn it all down).

In all honesty, I'm partly basing this on 'introspection'. I find myself with very limited tolerance for Starmer's vacuousness and lack of vision (his fondness for soliciting expensive gifts from billionaires really isn't a good look either) . Things are really pretty bad and if he doesn't _do_ something to improve things quickly the electorate is going to get restless.

No anger for for Covid? The start of it all?

 

[HomerJS]

Surprised?

Russia Hacked Hillary Clinton Computer Hours After Trump Request—Attorney​

The Russians moved against Clinton five hours after a Trump press conference in which he said the Russians would be rewarded for handing over Clinton's emails.


Me neither.

People have short fucking memories. When Trumpers were denying Russian collusion I kept bringing up this.

 

[trenchfoot]

People have short fucking memories. When Trumpers were denying Russian collusion I kept bringing up this.

Trumpers have learned that it's better to have no memory at all. I mean, just look at all the fucking fuck-ups that Trump has and is committing on a regular basis. It takes a vacuum of nothingness between their ears to keep that manner of imbecilic blind faith going on.

 

[trenchfoot]

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Now that right there is truly how a picture is worth a thousand LOLs. Trumper women the world over should be so proud of her and whatever's she's packing in that crotch under hang.

 

[pmv]

No anger for for Covid? The start of it all?

You asking me personally or about everyone? Personally I don't see much point being angry at a virus, and while Johnson's government didn't handle it particularly well (kept flip-flopping and changing approach, constantly opening-up and locking-down again, introducing new sets of rules and different ways of achieving the same result...) neither did any other country.

For people in general I get the impression it's very divided - some are angry at China, some at their own govenrments, and some are angry because they think there was too much lockdown and intervention some because they think there wasn't enough.

I suppose a lot of the inflation is due to the Ukraine invasion, but that just goes to show how much we are at the mercy of random global events. Decades of neoliberalism seem to have made that much worse for the UK. Other countries seem more insulated (in multiple meanings of that word)

 

[Indus]

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I hope we have enough common sense to go from Weirdistan to Normalcytown but after the past 9 years we seem to get daily reminders we are living in Weirdness.

https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/09/30/man-buys-taylor-swift-autographed-guitar-at-charity-auction-smashes-it-with-hammer/

 

[dlerious]

The latest from John Stewart on Trump

 

[Muse]

The joys of an algorithm that only cares about keeping you engaged not the quality of the content it serves.

Yeah, I'm wondering if there's something I can do to work the algorithms so I don't just see one side of issues. I click on some X-tter links here and sometimes see a lot of MAGAs posting shit. I never get that at YT and am thinking Youtube is snowing me.

 

[Indus]

Yeah, I'm wondering if there's something I can do to work the algorithms so I don't just see one side of issues. I click on some X-tter links here and sometimes see a lot of MAGAs posting shit. I never get that at YT and am thinking Youtube is snowing me.

just type nyc migrants or something.. that's the only right wing talking point I've researched on a bit as it's local to me and I got flooded with trump ads.. hell at one point it was 1:1 even with kamala ads.

 

[Pens1566]

The more I think about it, even in the best case scenario where Harris/Walz win a 319 to 219 (give or take a few EVs ...), I'm thinking this might be a "win the battle but lose the war" type of situation. You're still looking at an election where ~46-47% of the voting public is going to vote for Trump. That's such a rapid negative change in less than a decade. Just an awful statement as to where we really are as a country.

 

[Roger Wilco]

The more I think about it, even in the best case scenario where Harris/Walz win a 319 to 219 (give or take a few EVs ...), I'm thinking this might be a "win the battle but lose the war" type of situation. You're still looking at an election where ~46-47% of the voting public is going to vote for Trump. That's such a rapid negative change in less than a decade. Just an awful statement as to where we really are as a country.

If a brown woman becomes president, I would not consider that losing the war.

 

[Indus]

The more I think about it, even in the best case scenario where Harris/Walz win a 319 to 219 (give or take a few EVs ...), I'm thinking this might be a "win the battle but lose the war" type of situation. You're still looking at an election where ~46-47% of the voting public is going to vote for Trump. That's such a rapid negative change in less than a decade. Just an awful statement as to where we really are as a country.

Trump has basically won on changing our minds on immigrants/ asylum/ tariffs and creating a 47% base that wants fascism and to throw the US constitution in the toilet.

Trump has lost on healthcare/ abortion/ lgbt equality..

The starting lines for both parties will majorly shift after Trump is gone..

If a brown woman becomes president, I would not consider that losing the war.

Don't forget reconstruction.

And Obama being POTUS created Trump whitelash.. because in the mind of racists that was horrific

Not unreasonable to think those same racists think Kamala will create something horrific in 4-8 years which Walz will have to dismantle (which I think he can.. unlike Hillary)

Edited for better clarification.

 

[Pens1566]

If a brown woman becomes president, I would not consider that losing the war.

But that's not going to solve the problem. In fact, I'd argue it'll make it worse. If you believe, like I do, that electing Obama is actually what broke the brains of a good chunk of that 46-47%.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Trump has basically won on changing our minds on immigrants/ asylum/ tariffs and creating a 47% base that wants fascism and to throw the US constitution in the toilet.

Trump has lost on healthcare/ abortion/ lgbt equality..

The starting lines for both parties will majorly shift after Trump is gone..



Don't forget reconstruction.

And Obama being POTUS created Trump whitelash..

Not unreasonable to think Kamala will create something horrific in 4-8 years which Walz will have to dismantle (which I think he can.. unlike Hillary)

But that's not going to solve the problem. In fact, I'd argue it'll make it worse. If you believe, like I do, that electing Obama is actually what broke the brains of a good chunk of that 46-47%.

I think nominating Hillary broke a lot of those brains as well, no?

 

[Indus]

I think nominating Hillary broke a lot of those brains as well, no?

I think Dems really need to stop listening to Iowa, NH, SC and start the primaries in the swing states first..

 

[Pens1566]

I think nominating Hillary broke a lot of those brains as well, no?

The train had left the station before that.

 

[nakedfrog]

You asking me personally or about everyone? Personally I don't see much point being angry at a virus, and while Johnson's government didn't handle it particularly well (kept flip-flopping and changing approach, constantly opening-up and locking-down again, introducing new sets of rules and different ways of achieving the same result...) neither did any other country.

For people in general I get the impression it's very divided - some are angry at China, some at their own govenrments, and some are angry because they think there was too much lockdown and intervention some because they think there wasn't enough.

I suppose a lot of the inflation is due to the Ukraine invasion, but that just goes to show how much we are at the mercy of random global events. Decades of neoliberalism seem to have made that much worse for the UK. Other countries seem more insulated (in multiple meanings of that word)

They were well-positioned for it, but New Zealand did pretty well?

 

[Indus]

The registration and latino voting numbers in FL don't look very good..

 

[Fenixgoon]

The registration and latino voting numbers in FL don't look very good..

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FL is typically red. I wouldny read much from that

 

[K1052]

Partisanship changes in voter reg data are a lagging indicator.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

And Obama being POTUS created Trump whitelash..

Not unreasonable to think Kamala will create something horrific in 4-8 years which Walz will have to dismantle (which I think he can.. unlike Hillary)

People overlook that one too much.

I watched it happen in person. A lot of people I knew and worked with went insane in '09

Lifelong Ds switched parties before '16.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm quite troubled by some of the language being used. Kamala will create something horrific? Blaming her for the racist pieces of shit right-wing we have in this country? The only people creating the issue are the fucking right-wing racist fascists, not Obama, and not Kamala. You really need to learn how to use language appropriately because this is just hurting the Democrats caused by misrepresenting and painting things in a completely incorrect light.

 

[Stokely]

Yeah WTF exactly is reasonable about Harris creating something "horrific"? Curious as to what nefarious bond villain schemes her administration will be hatching. Free school lunches for all? (No, that's way too horrific....)

Or are we just worried about hurting the widdle feelings of the downtrodden white Christian men who want their place--alone--back on top? I hear the bleating all the time from conservative guys and it's beyond pitiful.

I do think it's possible for the economy to have issues simply because the ultra-rich will not want Harris to succeed, and unfortunately they have way too much influence. They want their puppet Trump back.